Santech offering gtx 580m

[Ghost Warrior]

"08/06/2011 - NVIDIA GTX 580M
We are proud to announce the world premiere, the introduction of a new video card on our excellent flagship N67 SANTECH :

- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M with as many as 2.0 GB of dedicated GDDR5 memory.

VGA is the newest high-end mobile for the next announcement from NVIDIA designed the top of the charts performance.

The new VGA is already booked on our website. Products with the new options will be assembled and shipped from 27/06/2011 ..>"

And the N67 Santech is a rebranded Clevo p150hm.

http://www.santech.it/shop/news.aspx?id=64

You may need to chuck the url into google translate.

Thoughts?

[mobilegamer]

"08/06/2011 - NVIDIA GTX 580M
We are proud to announce the world premiere, the introduction of a new video card on our excellent flagship N67 SANTECH :

- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M with as many as 2.0 GB of dedicated GDDR5 memory.

VGA is the newest high-end mobile for the next announcement from NVIDIA designed the top of the charts performance.

The new VGA is already booked on our website. Products with the new options will be assembled and shipped from 27/06/2011 ..>"

And the N67 Santech is a rebranded Clevo p150hm.

http://www.santech.it/shop/news.aspx?id=64

You may need to chuck the url into google translate.

Thoughts?

now to wait and see if the 580m holds a candle to the 485m and 6970m ati

[JoeE]

now to wait and see if the 580m holds a candle to the 485m and 6970m ati

From the 460 to the 560 the card got about a 13% boost in performance.
From the 480 to 485 if I am look at the numbers correctly on notebookcheck.net the 485 got about a 30% boos over the 480.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say the 580 should yield at least a 10% boost over the 480 hopefully with a bit less power and heat if not why bother with a new card?

I'm just a big green fan boy. I don't even know how it will compare to a 6970m On the higher end cards though they all seem pretty darn good so it boils down to mostly cost and preference.

What is killing me is I have an 8150-S1 on order with a 485. If they are just about to drop the 580 I'd really like one of those instead... ahhhhh! Indecision! I think I’ll call today and bother the poor sales staff who won’t be allowed to tell me anything do to NDA’s and such with their suppliers….

Of course worrying about getting a 485 or 580 is not really a horrible problem to have. I'm pretty sure I would be happy either way just a little more happy with the new shiny model. :biggrin:

[mobilegamer]

From the 460 to the 560 the card got about a 13% boost in performance.
From the 480 to 485 if I am look at the numbers correctly on notebookcheck.net the 485 got about a 30% boos over the 480.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say the 580 should yield at least a 10% boost over the 480 hopefully with a bit less power and heat if not why bother with a new card?

I'm just a big green fan boy. I don't even know how it will compare to a 6970m On the higher end cards though they all seem pretty darn good so it boils down to mostly cost and preference.

What is killing me is I have an 8150-S1 on order with a 485. If they are just about to drop the 580 I'd really like one of those instead... ahhhhh! Indecision! I think I’ll call today and bother the poor sales staff who won’t be allowed to tell me anything do to NDA’s and such with their suppliers….

Of course worrying about getting a 485 or 580 is not really a horrible problem to have. I'm pretty sure I would be happy either way just a little more happy with the new shiny model. :biggrin:

odds are the 485 still beats teh 580 in horsepower and raw cost

[JoeE]

odds are the 485 still beats teh 580 in horsepower and raw cost

Time will tell. I do wonder if the 580 will be the last in the firmi line. I also wish they had a less confusing numbering scheme for their mobile processors. With the numbers matching up with the desktops models so closely the unknowing may think they are getting the same card in a laptop as a desktop. Not kewl if you ask me. Also not kewl is intel using the same numbers. Some lawyer will probably get rich on this one day.

[SmogHog]

Configuring the N67 with the GTX580M adds $1,180.00 to the cost.:eek:

http://www.santech.it/shop/articoli.aspx?idArt=41

[JoeE]

I think someone is taking advantage of the new and sexy factor to get some early price gouging in. When the desktop 470 and 480 was released thee where several retailers charging over retail because of low supply.

[mobilegamer]

Time will tell. I do wonder if the 580 will be the last in the firmi line. I also wish they had a less confusing numbering scheme for their mobile processors. With the numbers matching up with the desktops models so closely the unknowing may think they are getting the same card in a laptop as a desktop. Not kewl if you ask me. Also not kewl is intel using the same numbers. Some lawyer will probably get rich on this one day.

well if previous benchmarking holds, a 580m gtx will roughly = a desktop 480 gtx, this isnt an exact science but other nvidia mobile products have echoed such a trend when it comes to m model performance.

[SmogHog]

I think someone is taking advantage of the new and sexy factor to get some early price gouging in. When the desktop 470 and 480 was released thee where several retailers charging over retail because of low supply.

You are most probably correct in your assumption.

Once it's in the hands of all makers in ample supply the price should settle to somewheres around the present GTX485M.

I expect to see a GTX570M also.

I would also expect that similar inhancements will be made to the GTX580M from the GTX485M as were made from the GTX460M to GTX560M.

It's an evolution and not a revolution.

I can just imagine the upcoming Sager NP7280 replacement with the X79 chipset,Socket 2011 Sandy Bridge-E CPU,quad channel 16GB of DDR3-1600,2 x PCI-e 3.0 GTX580M in SLI and an OCZ Vertex 3 240GB MAX IOPS SATA III SSD as the primary boot drive.

Hopefully Intel will have a change of heart and incorprate USB 3.0 in the X79 chipset.

By release date Sager should have their Vertex 3 compatability issue fixed?

[JoeE]

...

I can just imagine the upcoming Sager NP7280 replacement with the X79 chipset,Socket 2011 Sandy Bridge-E CPU,quad channel 16GB of DDR3-1600,2 x PCI-e 3.0 GTX580M in SLI and an OCZ Vertex 3 240GB MAX IOPS SATA III SSD as the primary boot drive.

Hopefully Intel will have a change of heart and incorprate USB 3.0 in the X79 chipset.

By release date Sager should have their Vertex 3 compatability issue fixed?

At that I have to wonder... why a laptop anyway?

[Ghost Warrior]

I wonder how much battery life you can get on a x7200 w/ an i7-990x and dual gtx 580's under stress? Imagine the power brick.

[Maverick494]

I wonder how much battery life you can get on a x7200 w/ an i7-990x and dual gtx 580's under stress? Imagine the power brick.

14 seconds. The battery in these units is nothing more than a UPS. It gives you enough time when the power goes out to safely save work and shut down the machine without losing it. That's all it is. They save you from having to buy one of those belkin surge suppressor/battery back up plug things is all, but then they make you buy a second power cord to power the GPU!

[mobilegamer]

I wonder how much battery life you can get on a x7200 w/ an i7-990x and dual gtx 580's under stress? Imagine the power brick.

so far the 485m gtx sli and 6970m crossfire setups are pushing needing a second block if you have enough cpu load gpu load and ssd drain hehe, once they go over 100w each on the gpus we will def need a 600w brick or dual bricks to keep power up.....and yes the battery is just a ups :p

[JoeE]

Someone over at Notebookreview noticed that on the Clevo driver download site there are now GTX580m drivers for the P15xHM and in their new manual version 11.5.01 on page D4 it lists the GTX580m as a video option. woot!

[SmogHog]

Someone over at Notebookreview noticed that on the Clevo driver download site there are now GTX580m drivers for the P15xHM and in their new manual version 11.5.01 on page D4 it lists the GTX580m as a video option. woot!

The newest WHQL Verde driver released by nVidia is version 275.33

Window 7 64bit:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-275.33-whql-driver.html


This driver supports the following NVIDIA notebook GPUs (please refer to the Products Supported tab for exceptions):

ION notebook GPUs.
GeForce 8M, 9M, 100M, 200M, 300M, 400M, and 500M-series notebook GPUs.
Quadro 5000M, 2000M and 1000M notebook GPUs.
Quadro NVS-series notebook GPUs (only those that support DirectX 10 or higher).
Quadro FX-series notebook GPUs (only those that support DirectX 10 or higher).
NVS-series notebook GPUs (only those that support DirectX 10 or higher).
New in Release 275.33
Performance

The Release 275 beta driver v275.27 can cause significant performance drop in The Witcher 2 for users not running 3D Vision. This issue has been resolved in v275.33 drivers. Please read this FAQ (http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2995) for more information on this issue and for more information if you are using 3D Vision.
Increases performance for GeForce 400 Series and 500 Series GPUs in several PC games vs. v270.61 WHQL drivers. The following are some examples of improvements measured on Windows 7. Results will vary depending on your GPU and system configuration:

GeForce GTX 580:

Up to 4% in Crysis 2
Up to 5% in Civilization V with SLI
Up to 9% in Portal 2
Up to 13% in Bulletstorm with Antialiasing enabled
Up to 15% in Batman: Arkham Asylum with PhysX High
GeForce GTX 560:

Up to 6% in Crysis 2
Up to 8% in Portal 2
Up to 14% in Batman: Arkham Asylum with PhysX High
Up to 15% in Bulletstorm with Antialiasing enabled



Increases performance by up to 12% for dual-core CPUs in CPU-limited cases.
NVIDIA Update

In Release 275, NVIDIA Update adds automatic SLI, multi-GPU, and antialiasing (AA) profile updates. These profile updates are automatically downloaded from NVIDIA and silently installed on your PC, keeping it up-to-the-minute with the latest game profiles. When you install a Release 270 or later GeForce driver from www.nvidia.com, you will be presented with the option to install NVIDIA Update. Click here to learn more about NVIDIA Update (http://www.nvidia.com/nvidiaupdate).

[SmogHog]

Nvidia is getting ready to replace its top of the line mobile graphics core, the GTX 485M, with a new 500-series GPU that will be called the GTX 580M. The new chip will deliver improved performance and is expected to arrive later this summer.

Just as the current GeForce GTX 485M mobile GPU,Nvidia's upcoming graphics processor will target 17-inch, or larger, notebooks and will also support Nvidia's SLI technology.

Using SLI, notebook makers can build devices that house two such cards in order to deliver even faster graphics performance.

Doing so will however require a massive cooling system as the TDP of the GTX 580M is expected to be rated at 100W. Just as all the other GTX 500-series mobile GPUs in Nvidia's lineup, the GTX 580M will also support the Optimus (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Eurocom-Intros-Nvidia-Optimus-Ready-Fox-2-0-and-Lynx-2-0-Notebooks-201218.shtml) graphics switching technology.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-Works-on-GeForce-GTX-580M-Graphics-Core-204186.shtml

[richardsharpe]

Nvidia is getting ready to replace its top of the line mobile graphics core, the GTX 485M, with a new 500-series GPU that will be called the GTX 580M. The new chip will deliver improved performance and is expected to arrive later this summer.

Just as the current GeForce GTX 485M mobile GPU,Nvidia's upcoming graphics processor will target 17-inch, or larger, notebooks and will also support Nvidia's SLI technology.

Using SLI, notebook makers can build devices that house two such cards in order to deliver even faster graphics performance.

Doing so will however require a massive cooling system as the TDP of the GTX 580M is expected to be rated at 100W. Just as all the other GTX 500-series mobile GPUs in Nvidia's lineup, the GTX 580M will also support the Optimus (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Eurocom-Intros-Nvidia-Optimus-Ready-Fox-2-0-and-Lynx-2-0-Notebooks-201218.shtml) graphics switching technology.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-Works-on-GeForce-GTX-580M-Graphics-Core-204186.shtml

Sounds like a good upgrade- I'll presume the 485M GTX did not support Optimus? Power saving sounds really nice for the times when you're not gaming .

[SmogHog]

Sounds like a good upgrade- I'll presume the 485M GTX did not support Optimus? Power saving sounds really nice for the times when you're not gaming .

Even though the GTX560M and GTX580M support Optimus,the notebook maker must support it in the model.

So far only MSI,Alienware and Toshiba have announced plans to introduce GTX560M models with Optimus.

[richardsharpe]

Even though the GTX560M and GTX580M support Optimus,the notebook maker must support it in the model.

So far only MSI,Alienware and Toshiba have announced plans to introduce GTX560M models with Optimus.

I wonder why Asus and Sager aren't atm, HINT!

[mobilegamer]

optimus isnt good for gaming hehe, it shuts off the gpu ><

anywho if the 580m is the replacement for the 485m expect it to cost more then the 485.....

[richardsharpe]

optimus isnt good for gaming hehe, it shuts off the gpu ><

anywho if the 580m is the replacement for the 485m expect it to cost more then the 485.....

Right, when you're Not gaming I said... it's good to haveto extend battery life .

[singleshot71]

Optimus, while looks good in theory and on paper, ppl are have huge problems with the tech. Getting stuck with one or the other, igpu or the dgpu. As for me, I would avoid it all together.

[scar]

The 560 replaced the 460 and it costs less, I would expect the 580 vs. the 485 to be the same.

[SmogHog]

Optimus, while looks good in theory and on paper, ppl are have huge problems with the tech. Getting stuck with one or the other, igpu or the dgpu. As for me, I would avoid it all together.

My only experience with the Optimus technology was 2 weeks ago when I setup an MSI GX680 that had the GT555M .

During my 1 week with the notebook in my possession I didn't experience any gaming problems due to Optimus not switching to the GT555M but I really wished there was an Optimus indicator in the taskbar.

I used nvidia driver 275.33

Just browsing the net the 9 cell battery lasted about 3.5 hours on presumably the i7 2630QM HD 3000 graphics.

The notebook got a Heaven benchmark score of 418 at default settings.

[JoeE]

Looks like Asus and Clevo are just making sure Optimus does what it should do before enabling it. Probably a bios and driver upgrade later to make it work. The entire point of optimus is to turn off the high end graphics when not in use then on when you need it. I can see how that might be a bit tricky to get right.

I'd expect the 580 to cost about the same as the 485 or possibly less. Thank you ATI for helping keep the cost of GPU's down.

[mobilegamer]

if the 580m is more powerfull then the 485 then expect it to cost more then the 485, thats how nvidia does its priceing scheme, gouge till it hurts, then mark up 25%!

anyhow overpriced cards asside, the trouble with optimus is when its acting cantankerous and turning off gpu when gaming or leaving it on when surfing on battery.....

[JoeE]

There must be some such issue like that or they would have turned it on.

I think the pricing model for mobile GPU's is a bit different from desktops. Even in desktop world it seems the old model of new, sexy and more expensive is not always correct.

Folks that ordered the 460 ended up with the 560 for the same price and it's more capable. I'm thinking these are also replacements. The mobile market can't seem to support such a wide range of products as desktop world.

Time will tell but I can't see people paying much more than what the 485 costs for the 580. ATI is just to cheap and to close in performance to pull off the higher price for long.

[Maverick494]

The 560M is the SAME card as the 460M, all they did was add a few more memory modules on some cards and clock them up a little. The memory chips on the 3GB 560M probably added about 10 dollars to card cost so they didn't really think they needed to charge more for the card.

The only 560M that is slightly different are the 2GB versions, but these aren't as good as the 460M so they should cost less anyway =P

[JoeE]

The 560M is the SAME card as the 460M, all they did was add a few more memory modules on some cards and clock them up a little. The memory chips on the 3GB 560M probably added about 10 dollars to card cost so they didn't really think they needed to charge more for the card.

The only 560M that is slightly different are the 2GB versions, but these aren't as good as the 460M so they should cost less anyway =P

The same but different.. got it. :) Sorry, don't mean to be so snipy. I'd go with an improved 460, not really the same card but not an entirely new card either. Both based on the same cores, the 560 just has some minor improvements. Probably why they like to call this a refresh of the mobile line, not so much a release of a new line.

Id agree with the idea it's not a "new" card. Just improvements to keep things competitive while they work on their next generation of products.