New OCZ EXTREME Sample Received (Flextronics W840 DI / OCZNBIM17A)

[Brad@XoticPC]

Hi all - we've finally got our hands on a new OCZ Extreme. My first impressions: This machine is a bit unusual with the optical drive located in the front. It features a big, light-up logo placement on the back, which I'm personally a fan of. And I think anyone would be a fan of 3DMark06 churning out a score of 14761 with no GPU overclocking.

Our test model is looking pretty big and bad (even approaching the size of Sager's 9262, for that matter) and has all the latest drivers provided by OCZ.

Here's some pics...

[phoduma]

how much does it weight without the power brick?

[Justin@XoticPC]

It is a little over 9lbs without the AC Adapter. The AC Adapter is about the same size as the 9262 AC Adapter. Brad will post up a picture comparison on Monday and weight of the AC Adapter.

[memetwotwo]

Any chance you guys can run some real world benchmarks? :)

Also, are the lights, (both keyboard and the graphic on the back of the screen) adjustable, both in terms of colors and on/off?

Thanks!

[Justin@XoticPC]

Be glad to, Brad will post some added info up on Monday. We have spent very little time optimizing the system and have achieved one of the best scores we have seen in 3D Mark. :)

[memetwotwo]

Thank you very much! :)

Also, just out of curiosity what exactly goes into the optimization process, or are you referring to overclocking? Will our systems that we purchased be optimized as well?

Thanks again for your reposes Justin!

[flavious]

Hi, I was considering a Sager notebook but now I'm reconsidering.... I don't know anything about this model though. Could you answer a few questions ?

A) Is OCZ the name of the builder ? Or do you build it ? Is this the same as the "OCZ do-it-yourself" notebook ? Can you give me a link to somewhere I can read about this notebook ?

b) What does "complete care" mean for warranty ? Does it mean protection against accidental drops etc ? When you configure a system there is also another 3-year warranty option that is an extra $349 which seems redundant if the the default warranty is "complete".

c) The default complete care warranty says shipping paid both ways..does that apply to Canada ?

d) What is the difference between the two wireless cards offered ? (Intel 5100 vs 5300)

e) Like another poster, I would like to know more about the backlit keyboard: what is its functionality and how you control it.

Thank you ! :)

[memetwotwo]

A) Here is the official site of ocz, along with a press release. Might be what you're looking for.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2008/299

B) I believe the more expensive warranty also offers accidental LCD protection.

[phoduma]

so you guys got the shipment, now how many days from production til it ships for a typical laptop like this one? im still on phase 1 so im just wondering

[Chyros]

Wow. I know this is a prerendered pic (see attached) but does the real ocz whitebook's keyboard's backlit same with the prerendered pic?

Thanks.

[LaptopDude]

How does the Crossfired ATI HD 3870 Stack up to SLI 9800 GT or GTX? Would be nice to see some FPS comparisons in games.

I have been considering the NP9262 ever since a friend bought one a few months back. However, this OCZ has everything I want, (DDR3 support, HDMI, eSATA) plus it looks 10x sexier. I'm just not sure about the Crossfire ATI vs. NVIDIA SLI. Need to make my choice in a few months!

oh, and any reason they call it the "whitebook" when it's black? :)

[Justin@XoticPC]

so you guys got the shipment, now how many days from production til it ships for a typical laptop like this one? im still on phase 1 so im just wondering

This was our testing unit and not our shipment of laptops for Inventory. We expect the new shipment to arrive this week. :)

[memetwotwo]

This was our testing unit and not our shipment of laptops for Inventory. We expect the new shipment to arrive this week. :)

Thank you for the clarification, I was wondering this as well.

[Brad@XoticPC]

Hi guys - here's a few answers:

1. As far as the AC adapter goes, the weight is about 2.5 lbs. If you'd like to see a picture of one, you can look up a picture of the adapter for the 9262, because it turns out both notebooks use the exact same thing. :-)

2. The keyboard backlights will toggle R/G/B/off with the Fn+F10 key combo.

3. I'm much more impressed with the Crysis benchmark than the keyboard backlights:

GPU settings on "balanced" in Catalyst Control Center, CPU overclocked from 3.06 to 3.325 Ghz, Driver version 7.01.01.809

Island fly-through GPU test (Crysis Benchmark Tool 1.05)

DX10; 1900x1200; No AA; 64-bit test; Quality: High (across the board)

Average FPS: 21.27

(Interestingly enough, I switched the settings to "optimum performance" on CCC and tried it again - no change in the results.)

[Zatara214]

lol my desktop couldnt get that average...

[Brad@XoticPC]

PS - The operating system here is Vista Ultimate 64, in what is basically out-of-the-box configuration.

[phoduma]

i was expecting higher result from crysis, its just that killernotebook got their 1920x1200 average to 30fps, i might need to get x2 drivers instead of crossfire, and DAMN that means the power brick is huge oh well

[Chyros]

Hi guys - here's a few answers:

1. As far as the AC adapter goes, the weight is about 2.5 lbs. If you'd like to see a picture of one, you can look up a picture of the adapter for the 9262, because it turns out both notebooks use the exact same thing. :-)

2. The keyboard backlights will toggle R/G/B/off with the Fn+F10 key combo.

3. I'm much more impressed with the Crysis benchmark than the keyboard backlights:

GPU settings on "balanced" in Catalyst Control Center, CPU overclocked from 3.06 to 3.325 Ghz, Driver version 7.01.01.809

Island fly-through GPU test (Crysis Benchmark Tool 1.05)

DX10; 1900x1200; No AA; 64-bit test; Quality: High (across the board)

Average FPS: 21.27

(Interestingly enough, I switched the settings to "optimum performance" on CCC and tried it again - no change in the results.)
[edited]

I might be asking too much but I would really appreciate if you could get a snapshot of the keyboard in a top-down format especially in dark. Thanks. :D

[phoduma]

i also want to see how the backlight looks, no one has pictures with it on yet, a real life environment (not white) with different lights would be nice, something to see while waiting

new pix tomorrow?

[Brad@XoticPC]

Hi guys - here's some almost-totally unedited pictures of the keyboard. (I auto-levelled one image and added the Xotic PC logo on both so that everyone doesn't go around claiming them. :-)

Like I loosely inferred before, I don't find the back-lights very impressive. I personally have kind of a hard time even seeing the things - but of course you're entitled to your own opinion.

As for the Crysis test, yes - we could have done a lot of things to get 30 FPS or probably even more than that - but I'm guessing you can already tell from looking at the specs that we were going more for the "real world" approach in this case. :-)

[phoduma]

thanks for the pictures, doesn't look that bad i like it but why is there blue leakage with white, i just gotta wait to see for myself maybe its just the camera angle

[memetwotwo]

Thanks brad for the new pictures. :)

Also, when you say you could have done a lot of things to get 30fps are you referring to overclocking GPU/CPU, or are you referring to modding driver infs, and software optimization.

I hate to ask, but any chance you guys at some point in the future could write a mini guide in how we might get the best performance from our new OCZ whitebooks? That would be very helpful, and interesting if it's not too diffcult.

Thanks.

[Chyros]

Thanks brad. Knowing the backlit of the whole keyboard, I'm now under the impression that they might use the keys with transparent characters instead of the standard printed characters on it on the retail version. Or else, that backlit is useless imo.

Thanks brad for the new pictures. :)

Also, when you say you could have done a lot of things to get 30fps are you referring to overclocking GPU/CPU, or are you referring to modding driver infs, and software optimization.

I hate to ask, but any chance you guys at some point in the future could write a mini guide in how we might get the best performance from our new OCZ whitebooks? That would be very helpful, and interesting if it's not too diffcult.

Thanks.

I can only advice you get infos from different sources especially from other people who bought the same item.

[EvilCornbread]

So wait, does the backlit keyboard not actually light up the text of the characters? Does it just light up under the keys?

[phoduma]

i was wondering if u can change the backlight led

[Chyros]

So wait, does the backlit keyboard not actually light up the text of the characters? Does it just light up under the keys?

Right now, its not. But I think its because it is still a test unit. I think they'll use the lit up keyboard on the retail version due to the following *possible* reasons:
- All keys are painted as white. That means you can't tell which keys are for Fn key. I've never seen a laptop with this kind of setting.
- There's a backlit underneath on each keys. Its useless w/o the lit up keyboard.

[phoduma]

aw man another delay, due to weather... um, dont u guys get tracking numbers

[Brad@XoticPC]

Phoduma: Weather? It's 72 and sunny here. :-) On the backlight, I know you can change the colors from blue to red to green (to 'off') - and I imagine that if you wanted to dive into the deep end of the pool and aren't the type who relies on warranties, you could also trick it out yourself with some custom work (I'm just waiting to see a laptop with sound-sensitive BPM-adjustable black lights underneath the keyboard. :-)

Memetwotwo: Well said by Chyros in that you'll definitely want to look around at a lot of sources. What I had in mind is all 3: overclocking (and cooling), software (and processes), drivers (and infs). For starters, I'm guessing someone could gain a significant performance boost just from switching to XP, you know?

[phoduma]

"OCZ's shipment was delayed due to adverse weather conditions."

[Zatara214]

"OCZ's shipment was delayed due to adverse weather conditions."

It was a tornado of high performance, combined with a title wave of high quality. 75% chance of 'melt your face off with Crysis' rain.

[memetwotwo]

"OCZ's shipment was delayed due to adverse weather conditions."

Link please?

[phoduma]

http://www.xoticpc.com/force-extreme-built-flextronics-arima-w840-ocznbim17a-w840di-order-p-2495.html

seriously whats next, end of the world?

[memetwotwo]

Hmmm don't know how I missed that one. I actually just called xotic pc today and was told that the first shipment of pre-orders was sent to arrive this week, so /shrug.

[Justin@XoticPC]

Guys, pleas try to understand we are at the mercy of OCZ getting these notebook to their plant. OCZ doesnt provide us tracking #'s on their incoming shipments, they send us tracking #'s on their outgoing shipments to us. Although it may not be the news you want to hear, it is the information presented to us by the head product manager @ OCZ. We have a large order of notebooks on order with them and they update us as they get information. You can be assured we are on top of the list for shipments once they arrive. We are providing you with updates as they are given to us.

Keep in mind the "E" in ETA means Estimated. The ETA can always change as updates or changes are forced onto OCZ and they trickle down to everybody else. Any of these arrival dates are not guaranteed and are a "Estimated Time of Arrival". :(

[memetwotwo]

Thank you for the update. :)

[Cdnalsi]

Yes indeed. I think this'll be my new laptop. I'm still kinda torn between the new Macbook Pro (whenever it comes out) and this OCZ baby from Xotic.

So what's the new ETA then?

edit: Also another question: Can the lid logo be replaced? If so, how? Just by sticking a skin over it, or replacing it with whatever, etc?

[jsoupene]

Were you ever to get pictures of the power brick & can you run ddr3 1333 Ram?

Thanks!
Jason

[Brad@XoticPC]

Hi guys - happy Friday! Here's some more answers for inquiring minds:

1. At least as far as I know, the "Week of 10/4" ETA listed on the details page should be accurate.

2. A link to a picture of a Sager 9262 with accompanying power brick is right here (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2209717070103278002jxyZRf). Beastly - although you can't tell so much because it's sitting next to the even beastlier (is that really a word?) NP9262. Same power brick as the Extreme 840.

3. I'm guessing you'll still be able to put most brands of DDR3 1333 MHz RAM into the OCZ model - but I'm also guessing that it would only run at 1066 MHz.

3. The Extreme 840's that you get from Xotic PC will probably feature our logo instead of OCZ's. We can also skin over the logo if you'd like - although I'm not sure whether the light would show through. (If it did, I think the right skin could look really cool with a back-light in the center...)

[Justin@XoticPC]

~~UPDATE~~

Dual Video Card (CROSSFIRE) models have arrived and now are IN STOCK. Orders will be going into production on Monday. Single Video Card models are expected in mid next week (in customs presently). :D:D:D

Those of you who had Crossfire Dual GPU will have tracking #'s around mid-later next week. :):)

XOTIC PC will be one of the first shipping this model. :)

[memetwotwo]

~~UPDATE~~

Dual Video Card (CROSSFIRE) models have arrived and now are IN STOCK. Orders will be going into production on Monday. Single Video Card models are expected in mid next week (in customs presently). :D:D:D

Those of you who had Crossfire Dual GPU will have tracking #'s around mid-later next week. :):)

XOTIC PC will be one of the first shipping this model. :)


Cheer!!

Thank you so much for the good news Justin!!:biggrin:

[Cdnalsi]

May I ask if there's any difference between the "testing model" you had and the production models? If so, what are the differences?

Also, about the logo on the lid, @Brad: What is XoticPC's logo? Yours and Justin's avatar?
And also, I would be very interested in that logo backlighting you're talking about. Having the logo lid up, that would be awesome. How much would that cost to do?

[phoduma]

thanks justin for the update, the upgrade i wanted i need couple days to pay for it since after that one time with the unauthorized charge to my bank, paypal has put a block on me until i complete some task, also dont forget that i DON'T want any logos or stickers on my laptop, i do want it but just on the side, but wow tracking number next week!! CAN'T WAIT x2

[memetwotwo]

May I ask if there's any difference between the "testing model" you had and the production models? If so, what are the differences?

Also, about the logo on the lid, @Brad: What is XoticPC's logo? Yours and Justin's avatar?
And also, I would be very interested in that logo backlighting you're talking about. Having the logo lid up, that would be awesome. How much would that cost to do?

I would assume the logo is the one shown here. I don't think xotic pc would simply put up a random logo on a screenshot.

http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/840/8403.jpg

[Cdnalsi]

I would assume the logo is the one shown here. I don't think xotic pc would simply put up a random logo on a screenshot.

http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/840/8403.jpg

Didn't Brad say that's OCZ's logo?

[memetwotwo]

Didn't Brad say that's OCZ's logo?

Hmm, you're right. Not sure how I missed that post. Although brad did say "probably" so who knows. I'm wondering if it's possible to simply keep the OCZ logo, if it's already on it, or simply to not have a logo? Further input from Brad or Justin will be greatly appreciated.

[phoduma]

~~UPDATE~~

Dual Video Card (CROSSFIRE) models have arrived and now are IN STOCK.



i just want to clear this, the arima has crossfire barebone and single card barebone, and you guys received the crossfire version correct? i was little confused because can you just put one card in the crossfire version..

[Chyros]

For those who want to see this laptop in action, here's the youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

Its Flextronix W840 DI, rebranded as Cizmo AX17. Do note though that the video is stretched vertically.

[LaptopDude]

Chryos, thanks for the movie link. It can really handle Quad processors?
Brad/Justin, any chance XOTICPC will be offering quads with the whitebook?


For those who want to see this laptop in action, here's the youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

Its Flextronix W840 DI, rebranded as Cizmo AX17. Do note though that the video is stretched vertically.

[Chyros]

Chryos, thanks for the movie link. It can really handle Quad processors?
Brad/Justin, any chance XOTICPC will be offering quads with the whitebook?

Yes. It can handle mobile quad processors Q9100 and QX9300. its not that cheap though.

[robvya]

is there a way to find out whats the heat temperature of the HDD, GPU, etc? while using 3dmark06 and such. I want to see the difference between THIS laptop and other reseller laptops

Thanks!

[Brad@XoticPC]

Hi all - I set up some temperature logs from the sensors today during 3DMark & Crysis benchmarking. The CPU cores topped out at a maximum of 87C, the GPU's at 67C, and one HDD was somewhere around 50 if I remember right, with the 2nd one running a few degrees cooler. (Keep in mind this was on a flat surface with no notebook cooler and a slightly OC'd processor.)

As for the logo - it looks like there's now a separate thread and Justin's already given the word on that...

[FNAKFHE]

Yes. It can handle mobile quad processors Q9100 and QX9300. its not that cheap though.


Dude, i just got off the phone with xoticpc.com as i was paying for mine. (barebone OCZ kick A$$ laptop)

As i was paying i asked if it can do qx9300 (as i have already placed order from NCIX) and the guy from xoticpc.com said to me "it may work, however we do not support or give warrantee for quad core cpu's on this model of laptop"

So dude, how do you know it will work?

He said there are known issues with this, such as over heating and freezing and stability issues to?

As for me, i already orded this laptop barebone and payed for it. also placed an order for the qx9300 too, I think it will work but im not sure if i should get 1066 ram or 1333.

Please reply and answer all my questions. thank you.

[FNAKFHE]

Hi all - I set up some temperature logs from the sensors today during 3DMark & Crysis benchmarking. The CPU cores topped out at a maximum of 87C, the GPU's at 67C, and one HDD was somewhere around 50 if I remember right, with the 2nd one running a few degrees cooler. (Keep in mind this was on a flat surface with no notebook cooler and a slightly OC'd processor.)

As for the logo - it looks like there's now a separate thread and Justin's already given the word on that...

What cpu are you running?

[TheDarkPreacher]

Dude, i just got off the phone with xoticpc.com as i was paying for mine. (barebone OCZ kick A$$ laptop)

As i was paying i asked if it can do qx9300 (as i have already placed order from NCIX) and the guy from xoticpc.com said to me "it may work, however we do not support or give warrantee for quad core cpu's on this model of laptop"

So dude, how do you know it will work?

He said there are known issues with this, such as over heating and freezing and stability issues to?

As for me, i already orded this laptop barebone and payed for it. also placed an order for the qx9300 too, I think it will work but im not sure if i should get 1066 ram or 1333.

Please reply and answer all my questions. thank you.

As far as i know you ram will not go any faster than you FSB (in the OCZ case 1066mhz) so unless you plan on overlocking your FBS its quite useless to get 1333 ram. As for the QX9300 I was under the impression they were supported. Heatwise I dont really know since no one has got thier laptops yet we cant really tell. Please do test for us tough! :laugh:

[FNAKFHE]

Ya, but why were you under that impression?

Im asking you to link me to the site from OCZ or Intel saying that it is supported with this system.

As far as i know you ram will not go any faster than you FSB (in the OCZ case 1066mhz) so unless you plan on overlocking your FBS its quite useless to get 1333 ram. As for the QX9300 I was under the impression they were supported. Heatwise I dont really know since no one has got thier laptops yet we cant really tell. Please do test for us tough! :laugh:

[Brad@XoticPC]

@ FNAKFHE: the CPU in our test model is a Core 2 Extreme X9100.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

The X9100 CPU is a dual core CPU and is an available upgrade option in our configuration menu.

The QX9300 is a quad core mobile CPU and is not a currently supported CPU on this laptop by Xotic PC.

[technicolor]

Why isn't the QX9300 officially supported? Its simply a matter of the heat it puts off relative to the cooling, right?
Chipset wise this laptop is compatible with the QX9300, so I'm a bit confused.
Will you guys be reworking the cooling system to make it "officially" compatible with the QX9300 in the future? And, if so ,would you be able to implement this into our existing OCZ 840's?

I know, a ton of questions.

The chipset the 840 uses is also usable with up to 8 gb's of ram. I'm running the exact same chipset in my current notebook, and while the manufacturer said it was only capable of up to 4 gb's of ram, all of my 8 (2x4) gigs of ram register and work just fine.

I don't see much of a reason I wouldn't be able to slap in two 4gb memory sticks in.
In fact, a German reseller of this notebook lists compatibility with up to 6 gb's of memory.


:) I'll be really excited to order my OCZ Whitebook.


Garrison

[FNAKFHE]

Im not to sure what you mean 'supported'

is that your way of saying you dont sell it?

or what do you mean, i mean are you saying that it will NOT work ?

No worries im getting it anyway ;)

The X9100 CPU is a dual core CPU and is an available upgrade option in our configuration menu.

The QX9300 is a quad core mobile CPU and is not a currently supported CPU on this laptop by Xotic PC.

[Zatara214]

Im not to sure what you mean 'supported'

is that your way of saying you dont sell it?

or what do you mean, i mean are you saying that it will NOT work ?

No worries im getting it anyway ;)

He means you can put it in there, but it will void your warrenty, etc. They don't support it for a very good reason, and especially considering that Clevo usually goes to, and sometimes beyond, the threshold of their laptops' thermal capabilities, I'd say leave it out of your box lol. UNLESS, you can come up with a custom cooling system to keep it under control. But even then, the power draw may be too much, it might have issues with the motherboard, and worse yet, it might do damage to parts around it, even with a cooling device. I'd wait and see what some results are from pro testers before you even think about it.

[FNAKFHE]

-- EDIT --


Thw laptop mother board is TDP 55w

the QX9300 is 45w,

so its within threshold.

further more, Xoticpc.com said that it will not be supported for tech support, and nothing to do with warrantee!

Someone that works at xoticpc.com please verify this?

He means you can put it in there, but it will void your warrenty, etc. They don't support it for a very good reason, and especially considering that Clevo usually goes to, and sometimes beyond, the threshold of their laptops' thermal capabilities, I'd say leave it out of your box lol. UNLESS, you can come up with a custom cooling system to keep it under control. But even then, the power draw may be too much, it might have issues with the motherboard, and worse yet, it might do damage to parts around it, even with a cooling device. I'd wait and see what some results are from pro testers before you even think about it.

[Zatara214]

Dude, you obviously have no idea what your talking about.

Thw laptop mother board is TDP 55w

the QX9300 is 45w,

so its within threshold.

further more, Xoticpc.com said that it will not be supported for tech support, and nothing to do with warrantee!

Someone that works at xoticpc.com please verify this?

I didn't say the QX9300 wasn't within the threshold, I said Clevo has been known to make mistakes in allowing for certain CPUs and GPUs before, which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with what you accused me of getting wrong.

Furthermore, I believe that any CPU swapout done at home has SOME kind of effect on support from Xotic.

Also, please read this quote from Justin about 4 posts before you said the above:

"The QX9300 is a quad core mobile CPU and is not a currently supported CPU on this laptop by Xotic PC."

I would assume that 'not supported' means that they won't offer support when you try to use it, hence the words 'not' and 'supported'. But, that's just an opinion on my behalf.

[ichime]

The QX9300 will work. It has already been shown to work on the Whitebook at Xtremesystems.org ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199452 ) and yes, the TDP threshold is 55w, and the Qx9300 maxxes out at 45W.

[FNAKFHE]

Ok then, to your crying I will retract my statement.




I didn't say the QX9300 wasn't within the threshold, I said Clevo has been known to make mistakes in allowing for certain CPUs and GPUs before, which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with what you accused me of getting wrong.

Furthermore, I believe that any CPU swapout done at home has SOME kind of effect on support from Xotic.

Also, please read this quote from Justin about 4 posts before you said the above:

"The QX9300 is a quad core mobile CPU and is not a currently supported CPU on this laptop by Xotic PC."

I would assume that 'not supported' means that they won't offer support when you try to use it, hence the words 'not' and 'supported'. But, that's just an opinion on my behalf.

[Zatara214]

Ok then, to your crying I will retract my statement.

As long as you agree, I'll say nothing more.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

First off FNAKFHE Please don't insult other forum users, as these users are using the forum to help provide you with information.

Second: Zatara214 thank you for providing additional information to forum users. we appreciate your help and input. Just to clarify one thing though. Clevo doesn't make the OCZ 840 notebook, this notebook is made by Flextronics / Arima W840 DI

Third: FNAKFHE is purchasing a barebone version of the OCZ 840 which means the warranty and support is all through the manufacturer in this case that is OCZ.

If you were purchasing the Force Extreme 840 notebook which comes with Xotic PC's 3 year complete care warranty you wouldn't be able to install anything that wasn't currently listed in our configuration menu online. These components wouldn't be support and would void your warranty if you installed components that weren't supported.

The QX9300 may work in the laptop, but it's not supported as it's not currently a stable option on this laptop.

[Zatara214]

Second: Zatara214 thank you for providing additional information to forum users. we appreciate your help and input. Just to clarify one thing though. Clevo doesn't make the OCZ 840 notebook, this notebook is made by Flextronics / Arima W840 DI.

Ok NOW I feel stupid lol...

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

There is no reason to feel stupid, after all it is the laptop manufacturer's hidden secret on who really makes these laptops! (http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop-manufacturers-really-makes-laptops-ip-11.html)

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

For customers' reference the links below will provide additional information on the CPU's being discussed. Intel doesn't currently have the X9100 listed on their website so I'm providing the link to the x9000 as it's close in comparison.

Intel® Core™2 Extreme Mobile Processor X9000 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAQJ)
Intel® Core™2 Quad Mobile Processor Q9100 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5G)
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Mobile Processor QX9300 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/Details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5J)

[FNAKFHE]

Naaa, sorry dude,

im not saying anything bad, just sport.

:)

Ya man its ok, it just xoticpc covering there arss.

I think they dont support it because the motherboard's bios does not allow for anything other then 6-9 on the multiplier, and to clock the qx9300 you gotta use some sofware to set the bus and multiplyer. its called intel somthing somthing.

I forgot the name but since the motherboard bios is not fully uptodate (on day i hope it is) it may not work perfectly for you,

If you want to over clock it, or under clock it: then it will work, but im not sure. just talking ..

So to that, they wil not support and just say not to get it.



Ok NOW I feel stupid lol...

[FNAKFHE]

Dude, MR. Admin.

If you want to give me some real reference then link me to the BIOS screen shots and show me what you can set and NOT set in the bios of this laptop.

That is usefull. thank you.

For customers' reference the links below will provide additional information on the CPU's being discussed. Intel doesn't currently have the X9100 listed on their website so I'm providing the link to the x9000 as it's close in comparison.

Intel® Core™2 Extreme Mobile Processor X9000 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAQJ)
Intel® Core™2 Quad Mobile Processor Q9100 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5G)
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Mobile Processor QX9300 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/Details.aspx?sSpec=SLB5J)

[Chyros]

Dude, i just got off the phone with xoticpc.com as i was paying for mine. (barebone OCZ kick A$$ laptop)

As i was paying i asked if it can do qx9300 (as i have already placed order from NCIX) and the guy from xoticpc.com said to me "it may work, however we do not support or give warrantee for quad core cpu's on this model of laptop"

So dude, how do you know it will work?

He said there are known issues with this, such as over heating and freezing and stability issues to?

As for me, i already orded this laptop barebone and payed for it. also placed an order for the qx9300 too, I think it will work but im not sure if i should get 1066 ram or 1333.

Please reply and answer all my questions. thank you.

Here's a video of it running mobile quad core:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

I'm not aware about the issues though.

For the memory, you can buy any of those two. I suggest, buy the latter if you are planning to OC the FSB.

[FNAKFHE]

Is this fully overclockable from BIOS, or do we need to use some sofware to overclock it from windows ??

Here's a video of it running mobile quad core:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

I'm not aware about the issues though.

For the memory, you can buy any of those two. I suggest, buy the latter if you are planning to OC the FSB.

[TheDarkPreacher]

Is this fully overclockable from BIOS, or do we need to use some sofware to overclock it from windows ??

I seriously would not overclock a laptop, It will diminish its lifespan by alot since you dont have as many cooling alternatives to make up for the extra heat generated by the OCing.

Wich in turns means that you cannot OC by alot anyway, and that it will only marginally increase your performances. In the end it is really up to you, if you are willing to sacrifice 1 year of life or more just to get an extra 200 points in 3Dmarks.

I have had laptops for a long time, and i never overclocked them. They ALWAYS lasted longer than my friends OCed ones. :cool:

Thats just my two cents, feel free to OC yours to no tomorrow. But be prepared to assume to consequences.

Also on the quad core topic, they will WORK because they are penryn CPUs, What Justin and the others are saying is that they will not cover those CPU with thier 3 years warranty (The reason why they do it is entirely up to them, as previously mentionned it might be heat related)

[FNAKFHE]

I seriously would not overclock a laptop, It will diminish its lifespan by alot since you dont have as many cooling alternatives to make up for the extra heat generated by the OCing.

I will be useing this at all times. this thing has 3 x 120mm fans .
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=33495&vpn=ACC%2DNT%2DCRYO
%2DB&manufacture=NZXT


Wich in turns means that you cannot OC by alot anyway, and that it will only marginally increase your performances. In the end it is really up to you, if you are willing to sacrifice 1 year of life or more just to get an extra 200 points in 3Dmarks.

I have read that this cpu on this motherboard will goto 3.3GHz, however it was not from xoticpc.com (im not even sure they will supply me with a cpu heatsink on the barebone system)

It was from killergames.com, i think they use a 'beefier' heatsink i think.


I have had laptops for a long time, and i never overclocked them. They ALWAYS lasted longer than my friends OCed ones. :cool:

Dude, do you relize that a laptop will be slow in about 1-3 years, and the usaly life span of a cpu is about 10+ years. so if you lose only 1 year whats the big deal.

Also if you run it cool then it will not kill it man.


Thats just my two cents, feel free to OC yours to no tomorrow. But be prepared to assume to consequences.

I will prob. run it at 3.0 GHz all time.


Also on the quad core topic, they will WORK because they are penryn CPUs, What Justin and the others are saying is that they will not cover those CPU with thier 3 years warranty (The reason why they do it is entirely up to them, as previously mentionned it might be heat related)

Well, the qx9300 will work, just not sure how stable it will be.

Also, since im going with the barebone system its only 1 year for the warantee.

[TheDarkPreacher]

Well , i have to stand my ground that OCing isnt worth it. CPU is never the bottleneck in gaming (It might slowly become a relevant part of it, as games include multiple threading in thier games but honestly for now a dual core does the job and then some). And is the 1000 extra dollars you would spend on a QX9300 worth and extra 2 or 3 FPS over a P9500 stock? Not in my book.

And for the kind of money and how you are setting up your laptop (it seems it will never leave your desk). In that case if you went for a desktop you could get a 28' screen with some serious hardware behind it, that would largely out-perform your laptop. If you are into OCing Desktops is where the fun is at, you can get watercooling and just let loose.

Also on the lifespan thing, I dont mean reduce your total lifespan of 1 year .. wich I grant you we dont care about. But more the "risks" (the hotter your laptop runs the higher these risks are, lets say stock your laptop have 2% chance of dying within the first year. If you OC this gets lets say up to 10% for the first year, and maybe even 20% for the second. That is more what I mean by reduced lifespans. Mind me I pulled these numbers out of my hat. But its just to illustrate what I mean.) of your laptop dying early on because of over heating.

Just me tough.

[FNAKFHE]

Dude, you could be right,

but its more then that dude,

you forgetting 6mb cache vs 12mb cache.

2core vs 4core

I think there are more advantage over only 3 fps on a game. and it total depends on the game too.

I could be wrong, but your right dude, best "bang for the buck" is the P9500.



Well , i have to stand my ground that OCing isnt worth it. CPU is never the bottleneck in gamming. And is the 1000 extra dollars you would spend on a QX9300 worth and extra 2 or 3 FPS over a P9500 stock? Not in my book.

And for the kind of money and how you are setting up your laptop, it seems it will never leave your desk. In that case if you went for a desktop you could get a 28' with some serious hardware behind it.

Just me tough.

[TheDarkPreacher]

The cache is equally allocated to each cores, the reason you have 12mb on a quad is because you have twice the cores. If the last 2 cores arent used (And it is the case in about 95% of the software now) the extra cache isnt used either. So in the end per core you have 3mb of cache.

I only assumed you interest was gaming. If i was wrong im sorry about that.

Quad cores are surely alot better when it comes to rendering and the likes. If that is what you are going to use it for daily then yes i would say go for a quad. But i would still insist on not overclocking it.

[FNAKFHE]

Na man.

It total depends on the game.

The cache is equally allocated to each cores, the reason you have 12mb on a quad is because you have twice the cores. If the last 2 cores arent used (And it is the case in about 95% of the software now) the extra cache isnt used either. So in the end per core you have 3mb of cache.

I only assumed you interest was gaming. If i was wrong im sorry about that.

Quad cores are defenatly alot better when it comes to rendering and the likes. If that is what you are going to use it for daily then yes i would say defenatly go for a quad. But i would still insist on not overclocking it.

[TheDarkPreacher]

Na man.

It total depends on the game.

Well the game i used as a reference to compare the 2 to 3 FPS loss is Crysis.

Games that are more CPU extensive like Supreme Commander, you could maybe see 10% decrease from a Dual core to a Quad, but honestly .. on 60fps you lose 10% you are at 54fps wich is still smooth as butter.

If you are at 30fps you only go down to 27fps wich doesnt really make a big difference.

In the end what i am saying is, it will never make the difference btw playable or not. Your GPU does that.

[FNAKFHE]

You got me there, im just feeling like an idot for spending a extra 700 dollers to get the quad core. .

:(

Well the game i used as a reference to compare the 2 to 3 FPS loss is Crysis.

Games that are more CPU extensive like Supreme Commander, you could maybe see 10% decrease from a Dual core to a Quad, but honestly .. on 60fps you lose 10% you are at 54fps wich is still smooth as butter.

If you are at 30fps you only go down to 27fps wich doesnt really make a big difference.

In the end what i am saying is, it will never make the difference btw playable or not. Your GPU does that.

[TheDarkPreacher]

You got me there, im just feeling like an idot for spending a extra 700 dollers to get the quad core. .

:(

Well, its not completely wasted, it does give you a large futureproof margin, and hopefully with this rig you will be able to upgrade the GPU to 4800s in the future and wont have to upgrade your CPU since you already have a quad (by then more game will make use of it).

I still think the OCing isnt worth it. And that was my main argument there. Dont get me wrong i would get a quad too if they werent so damn expensive. I just feel at the moment the price premium isnt worth the performance you get from it.

Cheers

[FNAKFHE]

Well, you make good points and i will now NOT overclock my computer because you sound smart ;)

dont get me wrong, my desktop is a q6600 2.4 GHz oclocked to 3.78GHz. lol im not kidding, and its on air 24/7. also running 4870x2

But for laptop your right. no point to kill the poor sexy little thing :D



Well, its not completely wasted, it does give you a large futureproof margin, and hopefully with this rig you will be able to upgrade the GPU to 4800s in the future and wont have to upgrade your CPU since you already have a quad (by then more game will make use of it).

I still think the OCing isnt worth it. And that was my main argument there. Dont get me wrong i would get a quad too if they werent so damn expensive. I just feel at the moment the price premium isnt worth the performance you get from it.

Cheers

[beyond99]

Here's a video of it running mobile quad core:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

I'm not aware about the issues though.

For the memory, you can buy any of those two. I suggest, buy the latter if you are planning to OC the FSB.

I saw in that clip. It is x9100 oc not qx9300. Another webside oc'ied to 2.8 ghz only for quad and had to use modded heatsink (guruofgaming). It wasn't gain so much performance and got low performance when compared to x9100 (in gaming use) because 2.8ghz (oc quad) lower mhz than x9100 that in game not utilized another 2 cores for used

[FNAKFHE]

yo man,

i got the qx9300 on order but not sure if im getting a heatsink from xoticpc.com

the qx9300 is oem, so no heatsink there.

Do you think i can get a Good heatsink, better then stock?

any links?

I saw in that clip. It is x9100 oc not qx9300. Another webside oc'ied to 2.8 ghz only for quad and had to use modded heatsink (guruofgaming). It wasn't gain so much performance and got low performance when compared to x9100 (in gaming use) because 2.8ghz (oc quad) lower mhz than x9100 that in game not utilized another 2 cores for used

[TheDarkPreacher]

yo man,

i got the qx9300 on order but not sure if im getting a heatsink from xoticpc.com

the qx9300 is oem, so no heatsink there.

Do you think i can get a Good heatsink, better then stock?

any links?

Stock heatsink should be just fine (unless there is a fan on it, the only cooling is the airflow from your rig so a custom heatsink wont make much of a difference). I wouldnt know where to point you for custom works, as far as I know Mark, from KN mod his heatsinks himself.

Might want to try to look for Zalman custom ones, I am however not sure they make them for laptops. And I cannot search for you at the moment (at work).

[beyond99]

Do you have any updates? Has Brad test the production model of this laptop?

I need the laptop informations for more to order it soon. Could you do some mini-review?

[FNAKFHE]

Ya, that is great idea, give us some updates.

Like if you get a heatsink with the BAREBONE system.?

[Chyros]

Confirmed. Production models' keyboard individual keys are all lit up. And it is interchangeable to red, blue, and green via the Fn key (can be changed from BIOS too). Got this source from another reseller but I wouldn't post it here. So, for those who'd want to see it, happy hunting in Google (sorry, can't post it here). :)

Right now, its not. But I think its because it is still a test unit. I think they'll use the lit up keyboard on the retail version due to the following *possible* reasons:
- All keys are painted as white. That means you can't tell which keys are for Fn key. I've never seen a laptop with this kind of setting.
- There's a backlit underneath on each keys. Its useless w/o the lit up keyboard.

[aral3005]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

Have a look...

[aral3005]

sorry out dated info already..

[FNAKFHE]

oh man

I mean i wanna see what comes with the barebone system.

does it have heat sink?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDL4_CEYZQ

Have a look...

[aral3005]

in notebookcheck website,i found info that mobility radeon 4850 will be released in Q3 this year...can someone clarify it..?do you have an answer to this,justin?is xoticpc is testing this 4850 now?

[Xardon]

I have a Dell 9300 that is now 4 years old and slowly starting to degrade. Once they have the Q9100 processors in their configurator, I will most likely get one of these. I've been researching many kinds of laptops lately and since I game but also at work end up using my laptop to run local test Virtual Servers with VMWare this whitebook will probably do the job best, as compared to the Clevo D901C which is just a heavy behemoth which I don't want to lug around everyday back and forth to work. It's a shame it's so hard to find any Q9100 or QX9300 processors still. I see a lot for sale on canadian websites, but here in the U.S. it's pretty scarce still.

[FNAKFHE]

pick it up from ncix.

i already put the order in for mine.

qx9300

I have a Dell 9300 that is now 4 years old and slowly starting to degrade. Once they have the Q9100 processors in their configurator, I will most likely get one of these. I've been researching many kinds of laptops lately and since I game but also at work end up using my laptop to run local test Virtual Servers with VMWare this whitebook will probably do the job best, as compared to the Clevo D901C which is just a heavy behemoth which I don't want to lug around everyday back and forth to work. It's a shame it's so hard to find any Q9100 or QX9300 processors still. I see a lot for sale on canadian websites, but here in the U.S. it's pretty scarce still.

[phoduma]

has anyone go their tracking numbers yet?

[FNAKFHE]

The xoticpc guys are saying that only the pre - orders where shipped out this week.

So starting the new week of oct 13 we may get some tracking numbers.

As for me, my CPU is backorded from ncix. about 1 week, so im asking them NOT to ship mine untill i get the cpu shipeed.

thank you xoticpc!

has anyone go their tracking numbers yet?

[phoduma]

mine was preorder, way back september 16

[FNAKFHE]

Dude, WTF?

I talked to justin when i was paying for mine,

He said we have them in stock and ready to ship.

That is funny how you pre-ordered,

Ohhhh.. i know why man,

Mine is only barebone, nothing!!

Just the laptop and wireless and bluetooth.

So there is no waiting, for install (I even dont want them to build it)

Maybe your getting one prebuilt ?



mine was preorder, way back september 16

[memetwotwo]

has anyone go their tracking numbers yet?

I preordered mine on the 18 of sept. Justin says I will most likely get a tracking number this week, and if not, early next week. I'm guessing it's going to to be the latter, as it is currently sat. night, and I don't know if xotic pc works over the weekends.

[FNAKFHE]

Hey, any of you guys live in Canada? Im in ontario and kinda worried about the UPS charging me broker fees.

Any way to get around that?

I heared i can pick it up my self from the UPS place and not pay broker fee, is that true? please advise.

[Jrock15]

As far as picking up the package I have no idea.

http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/resources/customs/index.html?WT.svl=PNRO_L1

This is their Brokerage Service page for more information regarding your question.

[TheDarkPreacher]

Hey, any of you guys live in Canada? Im in ontario and kinda worried about the UPS charging me broker fees.

Any way to get around that?

I heared i can pick it up my self from the UPS place and not pay broker fee, is that true? please advise.

The only way to avoid broker fees is to broke it yourself out of customs. if not you HAVE to pay 50ish$ to Fedex to cover for the fees. You really cant get around that. Also in canada you will have to pay the taxes on the the value of the laptop when you receive it.

[beyond99]

It seem past over 1 week that Justin told to every one he got the production model. I thought it's true but I don't see any update for this laptop after that. Could you show something like real production model or the boxes of these. Brad was the one who testing this could you test it and show in here? (plz do the production model and don't send me to see old testing model again) It'll be better if you show 3dmark and hwmonitor for temp.

[Justin@XoticPC]

We have been shipping models since last Wednesday. There will be another batch of shipments going out today and tomorrow. All pre orders are expected to be cleared up this week. I don't show you have a order in....???

I would be happy to post additional information after production completes on current customers orders, as this is our first priority before pictures of boxes....

[beyond99]

Before buying something I think everybody usually find information of the thing that they want. If you buy something but don't know anything of it you're stupid (that so aggressive but true) You show information of something like "test model" and you told everyone it has some slightly differ form the real.
If you want to sell only but don't show something true, you may lost ur customer so more in the future.
I saw more people attack you that you're want to sell only but don't care anyone who're not ur customer (that someone want to be too but don't sure about ur machine) I thought you don't be that. but after saw ur post it made me didn't sure....

[TheDarkPreacher]

Before buying something I think everybody usually find information of the thing that they want. If you buy something but don't know anything of it you're stupid (that so aggressive but true) You show information of something like "test model" and you told everyone it has some slightly differ form the real.
If you want to sell only but don't show something true, you may lost ur customer so more in the future.
I saw more people attack you that you're want to sell only but don't care anyone who're not ur customer (that someone want to be too but don't sure about ur machine) I thought you don't be that. but after saw ur post it made me didn't sure....

I am not sure you understand what Justin is saying. Basically, it is that the priority at the moment is to get the orders prepared and sent to customers (those who already paid and have been waiting for thier machines) Before taking time off to take pictures and run tests.

I am sure that when the initial rush is over and they have send out everything they will be more than happy to post pictures, benchmarks .. etc.

You should not worry too much, everytime a new model comes out, its madness in the first two or three weeks of release. Just be patient, we will all get our laptops in the end.

Cheers

[aral3005]

I have just read about Alienware m15x hinge problem as in this link http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3412390&postcount=1 . I find that the FORCE EXTREME 840 (Built on Flextronics / Arima W840 DI / OCZNBIM17A / W840DI ) have same type of screen hinge as AW m15x. So,my question is will FORCE EXTREME 840 can have the same problem? I need to know because i plan to buy it with crossfire configuration..TQ

[FNAKFHE]

When you say value do you mean what i payed or what ?

The only way to avoid broker fees is to broke it yourself out of customs. if not you HAVE to pay 50ish$ to Fedex to cover for the fees. You really cant get around that. Also in canada you will have to pay the taxes on the the value of the laptop when you receive it.

[FNAKFHE]

Oh man, dont say that ordered one already with a qx9300

Any one know anything of this?

or is just bull poop?

I have just read about Alienware m15x hinge problem as in this link http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3412390&postcount=1 . I find that the FORCE EXTREME 840 (Built on Flextronics / Arima W840 DI / OCZNBIM17A / W840DI ) have same type of screen hinge as AW m15x. So,my question is will FORCE EXTREME 840 can have the same problem? I need to know because i plan to buy it with crossfire configuration..TQ

[Cdnalsi]

I have just read about Alienware m15x hinge problem as in this link http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3412390&postcount=1 . I find that the FORCE EXTREME 840 (Built on Flextronics / Arima W840 DI / OCZNBIM17A / W840DI ) have same type of screen hinge as AW m15x. So,my question is will FORCE EXTREME 840 can have the same problem? I need to know because i plan to buy it with crossfire configuration..TQ

The Alienware m15x is not based on Arima chassis. The Alienware M9750 17" is.

[FNAKFHE]

So am i okay ??

The Alienware m15x is not based on Arima chassis. The Alienware M9750 17" is.

[cipher]

So am i okay ??

Yeah, you will be fine. Those problems where for quantas/uniwell laptops that alienware was using for the m15x and m17x. The ocz extreme chassis or (AlienWares 9750) is rock solid.

Anyways Justin are orders still being shipped? I'm one of those guys who got the singlegpu and haven't received a tracking number yet.

[Justin@XoticPC]

Single GPU machines arrived mid last week. With that in mind yours should ship this week or the first part of next week.

[phoduma]

i really hopes mine ships today, end of the day shipping or justin do u ship out in the morning?

today is the day, order has been shipped! here by friday!!

[FNAKFHE]

Dude, is yours a dule or single GPU video card?

i really hopes mine ships today, end of the day shipping or justin do u ship out in the morning?

today is the day, order has been shipped! here by friday!!

[phoduma]

Dude, is yours a dule or single GPU video card?

dual model

[FNAKFHE]

When did you order it?

and dude, are you in usa or canada?

dual model

[snip931]

Hey justin, when/if you get some downtime. think it would be possible to get a picture of the underside of the machine. im curious about something. no rush

[phoduma]

When did you order it?

and dude, are you in usa or canada?

UPS USA, order on 9/16, arriving tomorrow 10/17

[FNAKFHE]

got me wondering what are you looking for man?

Hey justin, when/if you get some downtime. think it would be possible to get a picture of the underside of the machine. im curious about something. no rush

[Cdnalsi]

Hi, I've been away for a while.

@Justin and/or Brad: are you guys shipping this notebook out yet?

Cheers!

[EGB]

Any updates on X9100 or quad cores regarding temps, cooling and availability?

[FNAKFHE]

I have been waiting for ncix.com they orignaly said 1-2 weeks befor they get stock of my qx9300, Now its been two weeks and they say not untill the first week of november. OMG what's up with that?

When it does come in, I will be posting a detail install in my thread I've started on this board.

Any one else got an update

Any updates on X9100 or quad cores regarding temps, cooling and availability?

[Justin@XoticPC]

Hi, I've been away for a while.

@Justin and/or Brad: are you guys shipping this notebook out yet?

Cheers!

The OCZ's are shipping daily :)

[Xardon]

I have been waiting for ncix.com they orignaly said 1-2 weeks befor they get stock of my qx9300, Now its been two weeks and they say not untill the first week of november. OMG what's up with that?

When it does come in, I will be posting a detail install in my thread I've started on this board.

Any one else got an update

ncix.com actually removed both the q9100 and qx9300 from their website. Based on press releases and other websites that sell newer processors, you probably will not find either of these, as well as the newly announced q9000, "readily" available until Q1 2009.

[aral3005]

Can someone tell me the difference between:
1.Intel P8400 and T9400?Huge perfomance difference?
2.Intel T9400 and P9500?Significant difference?

Any benchmark posted is appreciated

TQ:)

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Can someone tell me the difference between:
1.Intel P8400 and T9400?Huge perfomance difference?
2.Intel T9400 and P9500?Significant difference?

Any benchmark posted is appreciated

TQ:)

You can view benchmark results here (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmarklist.2436.0.html)for the different CPU's you are interested in.

[Zatara214]

Can someone tell me the difference between:
1.Intel P8400 and T9400?Huge perfomance difference?
2.Intel T9400 and P9500?Significant difference?

Any benchmark posted is appreciated

TQ:)

For the difference in lettering, I believe the Ps are 25 watt chips and the Ts are 35 watt chips, but I may be mistaken on that one.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

@Zatara

You are correct the Ps are 25 watt chips and the Ts are 35 watt chips

[aral3005]

I found some info in http://hothardware.com/News/OCZ-Unveils-Intel-Centrino-2-Whitebook/

It stated about Mobile Intel GM47, GM45, and PM45 Express Chipsets with ICH9M or ICH9M Enhanced..So my question is, what is the difference between ICH9M and ICH9M Enhanced?

Xoticpc offering whitebook with ICH9M and I found other reseller offering their whitebook with ICH9M Enhanced..Can someone clarify my doubt about these platforms?

TQ :)

[EGB]

When are we going to have 4870 or 9800m GTX GPUs as options?

[FNAKFHE]

So did u get it ?

do tell.. what cpu u got in it..

how hard was it to install the cpu ..

how did it come from xoticpc ... was it new or opened box cuz the do the 'burn in' testing.

tell us and show some pic please.


UPS USA, order on 9/16, arriving tomorrow 10/17

[aral3005]

Read this link from notebookreview http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4680

[FNAKFHE]

You never know, until its on the shelf man.

Like if you want to find a Intel CPU qx9300 good luck, it should have been already shipped out but when trying to find one is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Same with the 4000 series from ATI AMD, the 4870 will be there so will 4870x2 for the laptops/mobile notebooks but when can you buy one?

sure the say 'it will be shipped' but who know when?


Read this link from notebookreview http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4680

[Xardon]

Well now RK Computers has the Q9100 and QX9300 Processors in stock. Hopefully Xotic will get them in stock for this laptop soon so I can compare the prices, since RK seems a little too pricey at the moment.

*crossing my fingers* that my old laptop limps through until Xotic starts selling these laptops with the Quads.

[aral3005]

Ati MR 4850 will come sooner than expected? Enjoy this
- http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4690
- http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodtmpspec&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271&cat3_no=&prod_no=1676#menu

-So,when will xoticpc take preorder with 4850? :D

[Kyle]

Wonderfull experience so far. I got this on 11-28-08 so I had a week for thanksgiving off from work and school. I was very excited when I first got this, and I does look really nice. Then I tried using it lol. Where to begin...

Crashes (either to desktop, or complete freeze) when trying to run any game so far (Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 with hotfix, Crysis). So I called them and they said to update the drivers (Catalyst 8.0 came installed and 8.1 is out). So I tried that, still crashes, use MobilityModder to mod the 8.1 drivers for mobile 3870, still crashes. And I was told to use DriverHeaven to get the 8.1 update and mod.

So, from there I thought I might try and see whats wrong while. I installed a few monitoring programs and found that as my GPU heats up (makes it to 76 degrees C pretty quick) my fan doesnt. and CPU temps reaching 92 degrees C. This is all default stuff also (with the exception of drivers that I installed per XoticPCs reccomendation). No overclocking or any of that crap.

I then ask customer support about the possibility of exchanging/returning this one for an nVidia build (this is my first ATI setup and I think they suck compared to nVidia so far). I am informed that I am out of the return policy coverage. You have 15days from when they ship it, to when they receive it back for return (if you go 3-7 business day shipping both ways, that means you have all of 1 day to try it and see how you like it). This isnt some return just because I dont like it, it is malfunctioning withing the first month... Never mind the fact that there was another flaw in the manufacturing and the panel with all the indication lights (WIFI, AC, HD, Mouse, and media center shortcut keys) isnt flush with the rest of the laptop. I told them about that also, they said to try pressing it down, it did go down a bit, but still is bumped up.

So, since they won't backup their products, I now have in a RMA request with the technical support (3 yr warranty) and will be sending that out early next week (unless XoticPC decides to step in, back up their product and accept an Exchance or atleast rebuild and test this same model so it will actually work, since this one is either defective or just horrible) for repairs.

My Girlfriend's mother and I were going to purchase my GF an Asus G71 from here as an x-mass present also, that probably wont happen now unless we see that XoticPC stands behind their product and manufacturing and takes care of defective laptops that are brand new. RKComputers or KillerNotebooks anyone?

If you are going to buy from XoticPC, I guess you have to pay for 1day shipping so you might have a chance to see if your laptop is working properly out of the box, because if you dont... you SOL apparently.

Go nVidia. I work Full Time and go to school Full Time, so I was really hoping for something I could just open and get going with... with final exams coming up in 2 weeks this really sucks. Ill keep everyone posted as to how either XoticPC deals with this (or doesnt deal with it, since they got their check I am just in the hands of the warranty people) or how my RMA goes... :(

Anyway, you can obviously tell I am very upset so far, but if you just dropped $3k on a laptop wouldnt you expect it to work also? I wonder how they will respond to this post... I saved every e-mail that I had with their Sales and Support team just incase. Might be a good idea to update the drivers and actually test the quality before you ship... afterall Phase 4 does say "Final Q&A" or something to that affect doesnt it...

Here is my build
OCZ FORCE EXTREME 840 (Built on Flextronics / Arima W840 DI / OCZNBIM17A / W840DI )
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- 15 Day 0 Dead Pixel Guarantee
- -Intel® P9500 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.53GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- (2) 512MB (1,024MB Total) PCI-Express CROSSFIRE ATI HD3870 DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- - 4,096MB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to recognize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software
- - 320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- - 320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- Raid 0-Stripe (Combines primary and secondary hard drive)( (Requires Identical Sized Hard Drives)
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Integrated Bluetooth® EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Carrying Case Optional (Select if desired)
- Spare Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- -Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- 3 Year Complete Care Full Parts / Labor Warranty - Next Business Day Shipping both ways - Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Telephone Tech Support

Sub-Total: $2,848.01
U.S. UPS Ground (3-6 Day Delivery Service): $37.00
Total: $2,885.01

[Justin@XoticPC]

Kyle (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/member.php?u=11050) - I am sorry to hear of your troubles. We have a 15 Day return period on our OCZ Laptop as listed in our return policy on our website. With UPS Ground this gives you 7-9 days to evaluate this model. I am sorry to hear you experienced a problem just out of this period.

We fully back our products as you should have seen speaking with our support team. On our OCZ Models we cover Air Shipping Both Ways for any repair for 3 Years. You can be assured our support team is here for you and will fix any issue on your machine. Our warranty is above and beyond what anyone else offers on this model. (most don't cover air shipping and 24/7 support for 3 Years)

We fully test each model with all standard tests and each notebook must pass before shipment as yours did.

[FNAKFHE]

oh ya right,

like when you tested mine and scratch the palm rest beside the fingerprint reader.

and there is white sckuff marks on the bottom of the laptop..


I dont get why you even test them, they come from OCZ ready to go.

You guys thake them home and play with em dont you?

I would if i was you.

That is why the seal on the box is broken.

[Justin@XoticPC]

FNAKFHE (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/member.php?u=9385) - We have to build/test machines after receipt from OCZ. We only receive the barebones from OCZ. The customer above had a fully built system were you purchased a barebones.

We provide a Guarantee when we ship a machine (barebones or not) and it is our policy to test every machine. In your case the barebones has to be tested before shipment to ensure it starts up. If a customer receives a untested machine DOA (Dead on Arrival), it our responsibility to replace it. This is why we test every barebones prior to shipment.

We all have our own laptops and would never take a customers laptop home before shipping it to them.

[FNAKFHE]

Justin, so I should be thanking you for opening my laptop and "scratching" it?

well umm.. no. i would rather abuse you.

I hope you guys stop opening peoples laptops up.

a hugh multi BILLION doller corp like OCZ will back you up if you did ship DOA its a cost of doing business.

Just stop opening a box thats not yours!



FNAKFHE (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/member.php?u=9385) - We have to build/test machines after receipt from OCZ. We only receive the barebones from OCZ. The customer above had a fully built system were you purchased a barebones.

We provide a Guarantee when we ship a machine (barebones or not) and it is our policy to test every machine. In your case the barebones has to be tested before shipment to ensure it starts up. If a customer receives a untested machine DOA, it our responsibility to replace it. This is why we test barebones also.

[sheaiiimef]

@FNAKFHE

From now on buy directly from the manufacturer. Right now you are bitching at Xoticpc about your laptop. Is it possible they did this? Yes. Is it possible it was done by OCZ and not noticed by Xoticpc? Yes. If you want to slap your name to something that you didn't do, touch, see, or build go for it. If you get something jacked up from Best Buy you go back to them, not the manufacturer because they are the people that sold it to you. Xoticpc wants to ensure that you don't have to send it back and have more down time on your computer because they took someone else's word for it. A car dealer will check out the car before they sell it too.

I can understand your frustration at some cosmetics when it first came to you, but those things will happen over time. You look like a putz the way you are trying to slam Justin and the group. And to clerify, I have been waiting over a month for mine and I couldn't have it built the way I wanted it and still don't have it. I am understand what and why it has happened and am not pleased, but I am not putting my butt on my shoulders either.

One last note, if you feel you have been truly wronged, file a claim with the Better Business Bureau if you are serious.

[FNAKFHE]

No,

word of mouth is the single most powerfull form of advertisement.

and the words from my mouth are not those of a happy customers.

the bbb can not expose them to future customers like my word is doing now.

as for buying direct, ...... your kidding right ?

and for cars being tested, well cars and computers have nothing to do with my laptop being used when they shiped it.

as for them putting there name to it: they did not brand this item to xoticpc branding, its a ocz branding and was already tested at ocz (MULTI BILLION DOLLER CORPERATION, then here comes xoticpc 'test' it again. what a joke)




@FNAKFHE

From now on buy directly from the manufacturer. Right now you are bitching at Xoticpc about your laptop. Is it possible they did this? Yes. Is it possible it was done by OCZ and not noticed by Xoticpc? Yes. If you want to slap your name to something that you didn't do, touch, see, or build go for it. If you get something jacked up from Best Buy you go back to them, not the manufacturer because they are the people that sold it to you. Xoticpc wants to ensure that you don't have to send it back and have more down time on your computer because they took someone else's word for it. A car dealer will check out the car before they sell it too.

I can understand your frustration at some cosmetics when it first came to you, but those things will happen over time. You look like a putz the way you are trying to slam Justin and the group. And to clerify, I have been waiting over a month for mine and I couldn't have it built the way I wanted it and still don't have it. I am understand what and why it has happened and am not pleased, but I am not putting my butt on my shoulders either.

One last note, if you feel you have been truly wronged, file a claim with the Better Business Bureau if you are serious.

[sheaiiimef]

You are right, word of mouth is one of the most powerful forms of advertisement; however, when those words sound as if they are coming from an unintelligent individual whatever that person is trying to say is lost. When someone starts cussing and ranting the effectiveness is lost as well, it now seems like someone who can not control their temper or acts childish when things don't go their way.

As far as the BBB and other organizations out there for the consumer to use, it would be in someone's best interest to use these when researching what they want to buy. From the BBB to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, these help ensure a consumer is knowledgeable about the product and company they want to buy or buy from.

I looked up Xoticpc on the BBB as well as other companies while I was researching my computer. I will not throw my money as some crappy company when I didn't do any research and expect all to be well. People that are serious about being wronged do more than post a highschooler's rant on a forum.

[powerpack]

FNAKHE point of fact. Your multi billion dollar corporation (OCZ) had total revenues of 115.4 million in 2007. So it would take 800% growth to even become a billion dollar company let alone multi billion dollar.

Your desire/insistence Xotic not test systems is likely not what most people want. Xotic retailing these likely carries with it certain responsibilities. I would even suspect to the point of necessitating testing to protect their interests. You would ask them to forgo this? That is just wrong. Also if Xotic would do such a thing for you how would you handle warranty issues? Say it arrives and does not function who pays shipping? Well if tested would of been identified. Why should Xotic have to pay?

If your system arrived with a scratch that is a problem your other issues are not reasonable.

[Kyle]

Well, let's see how things go today. About 10 after my post Justin did call me to see how things were going. Also ensured me I would be pleased with the warranty and tech support. Talked to him about a possible exchange for diff or same model (since often times when I have seen a comp go for repairs withing the first 1-6months they seem to just keep goin back). He said he would look into it and contact me today. Hopefully that goes well, but if not ill update on the RMA stuff (looks like its actually the processor that's screwed since its gettin close to 100c then freezing up/crashing).

One other thing I noticed is that when I used one prog to check all the parts in my laptop it said the Kingston DDR3 memory was PC-8500 (think it was 533mhz 7-7-7-20 timing, going from memory here, but pretty sure that's right, I can update exacts later tonight). So I think ill have to talk to Justin about that later to see how to verify my RAM speed since its supposed to be PC10666.

Anyway, today I will also decide if we are going to buy my GF's Asus G71G-A2 from XoticPC or another company. Despite my initial issues I may still buy from here, but we shall have to see based on what happens today.

As far as the ATI vid card thing goes, I didn't realize that vid card drivers for laptops can be anoying to get, and less frequently updated from both ATI and nVidia. Hopefully the site my friend gave me for drivers and what not works out well (he's a tech for Turbine so I trust what he says).

But like I said, ill update later tonight once I see what's goin on and how everything is being handled.

(And one more note. As far as the whole them opening it and testing it goes, that's a good thing. With a bit more inspection and testing the flaw in manufacturing and doa processor might have been caught. No scratches on my laptop, just that bumped up panel :( )

[powerpack]

One other thing I noticed is that when I used one prog to check all the parts in my laptop it said the Kingston DDR3 memory was PC-8500 (think it was 533mhz 7-7-7-20 timing, going from memory here, but pretty sure that's right, I can update exacts later tonight). So I think ill have to talk to Justin about that later to see how to verify my RAM speed since its supposed to be PC10666.
Your RAM is fine, it is PC3-8500. The utility you are using is reporting it's core/fundamental/primary/base speed. Since your RAM is DDR just double what it says. 533Mhz becomes 1066Mhz your RAM is fine. I suspect you might of used CPU-Z?


As far as the ATI vid card thing goes, I didn't realize that vid card drivers for laptops can be anoying to get, and less frequently updated from both ATI and nVidia. Hopefully the site my friend gave me for drivers and what not works out well (he's a tech for Turbine so I trust what he says).
Notebook video drivers are not updated often/ever. Why you need to update might be my first question? I am very aware of updating, even using bootleg drivers and such. But why do you want to? If it is just because "newer is better" be prepared for some headaches. Why everyone gets so high on new drivers is beyond me. I mean I would like them to update them but they don't so I accept and am always cautious when doing.

As far as buying that Asus goes. Unless you find it cheaper you can not do better than Xotic. NewEgg and GenTech sell at good prices but they are simply warehouses that ship. Not to knock them but Xotic is an all in one solution. Xotic's business model offers better support. And Xotic being small affords them the ability to offer a higher level of support/service.

Good luck, best wishes and happy holidays.

[Kyle]

The only reason I was updating is because initially games were crashing and some of the crashes said something about not bad drivers or not being able to display them. CCC 8.0 came loaded on it and XoticPC recommended I upgrade my drivers from DriverHeaven. If not for that, I have the "If it isn't broke don't fix it" attitude and I would have left the original drivers installed.

As for the Asus, I think you're right. We bought the G71G-A2 for her as an X-mass present. Hopefully everything goes a bit more smoothley with it than mine and their aren't any issues. XoticPC has been good at atleast talking to me about what's going on. If everything gets repaired and goes as quick and smooth with the RMA as they suggest it will (and I get it back working properly) I will be very pleased. Better support thus far than I have seen from other manufacturers.

Thx for the input and response. And ya, I think it was CPU-Z, thanks for clearing up the Memory thing.

[aral3005]

Wonderfull experience so far. I got this on 11-28-08 so I had a week for thanksgiving off from work and school. I was very excited when I first got this, and I does look really nice. Then I tried using it lol. Where to begin...

Crashes (either to desktop, or complete freeze) when trying to run any game so far (Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 with hotfix, Crysis). So I called them and they said to update the drivers (Catalyst 8.0 came installed and 8.1 is out). So I tried that, still crashes, use MobilityModder to mod the 8.1 drivers for mobile 3870, still crashes. And I was told to use DriverHeaven to get the 8.1 update and mod.

So, from there I thought I might try and see whats wrong while. I installed a few monitoring programs and found that as my GPU heats up (makes it to 76 degrees C pretty quick) my fan doesnt. and CPU temps reaching 92 degrees C. This is all default stuff also (with the exception of drivers that I installed per XoticPCs reccomendation). No overclocking or any of that crap.

I then ask customer support about the possibility of exchanging/returning this one for an nVidia build (this is my first ATI setup and I think they suck compared to nVidia so far). I am informed that I am out of the return policy coverage. You have 15days from when they ship it, to when they receive it back for return (if you go 3-7 business day shipping both ways, that means you have all of 1 day to try it and see how you like it). This isnt some return just because I dont like it, it is malfunctioning withing the first month... Never mind the fact that there was another flaw in the manufacturing and the panel with all the indication lights (WIFI, AC, HD, Mouse, and media center shortcut keys) isnt flush with the rest of the laptop. I told them about that also, they said to try pressing it down, it did go down a bit, but still is bumped up.

So, since they won't backup their products, I now have in a RMA request with the technical support (3 yr warranty) and will be sending that out early next week (unless XoticPC decides to step in, back up their product and accept an Exchance or atleast rebuild and test this same model so it will actually work, since this one is either defective or just horrible) for repairs.

My Girlfriend's mother and I were going to purchase my GF an Asus G71 from here as an x-mass present also, that probably wont happen now unless we see that XoticPC stands behind their product and manufacturing and takes care of defective laptops that are brand new. RKComputers or KillerNotebooks anyone?

If you are going to buy from XoticPC, I guess you have to pay for 1day shipping so you might have a chance to see if your laptop is working properly out of the box, because if you dont... you SOL apparently.

Go nVidia. I work Full Time and go to school Full Time, so I was really hoping for something I could just open and get going with... with final exams coming up in 2 weeks this really sucks. Ill keep everyone posted as to how either XoticPC deals with this (or doesnt deal with it, since they got their check I am just in the hands of the warranty people) or how my RMA goes... :(

Anyway, you can obviously tell I am very upset so far, but if you just dropped $3k on a laptop wouldnt you expect it to work also? I wonder how they will respond to this post... I saved every e-mail that I had with their Sales and Support team just incase. Might be a good idea to update the drivers and actually test the quality before you ship... afterall Phase 4 does say "Final Q&A" or something to that affect doesnt it...

Here is my build
OCZ FORCE EXTREME 840 (Built on Flextronics / Arima W840 DI / OCZNBIM17A / W840DI )
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- 15 Day 0 Dead Pixel Guarantee
- -Intel® P9500 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.53GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- (2) 512MB (1,024MB Total) PCI-Express CROSSFIRE ATI HD3870 DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- - 4,096MB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to recognize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software
- - 320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- - 320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- Raid 0-Stripe (Combines primary and secondary hard drive)( (Requires Identical Sized Hard Drives)
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Integrated Bluetooth® EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Carrying Case Optional (Select if desired)
- Spare Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- -Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- 3 Year Complete Care Full Parts / Labor Warranty - Next Business Day Shipping both ways - Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Telephone Tech Support

Sub-Total: $2,848.01
U.S. UPS Ground (3-6 Day Delivery Service): $37.00
Total: $2,885.01

Excuse me,can you open the back of the laptop and check if the thermal paste is already applied to the CPU and GPU?I don't know much but in my experience it may be due to thermal paste that not applied(correctly),incorrect fan speed settings and lastly,something software-related issue(like driver)

But I hope you can calm down and hope that Xoticpc team will do something for you...and I certainly understand of what you feel right now...ok? :smile2: Just do as best as you can to solve this prob...It might be a very useful experience in the future when one day someone has same prob as you have just now...It does not matter if the laptop come from Xoticpc@from other company but I can assure you 'problems(shit) can happen to everyone and anytime no matter how hard you tried to prevent them'...ok?Just do your best,be patient,pray hard,control yourself(attitude) and might the peace be upon you... :smile2:

[Thanny]

Notebook video drivers are not updated often/ever. Why you need to update might be my first question? I am very aware of updating, even using bootleg drivers and such. But why do you want to? If it is just because "newer is better" be prepared for some headaches. Why everyone gets so high on new drivers is beyond me. I mean I would like them to update them but they don't so I accept and am always cautious when doing.

For other hardware, you might have a point. But for 3D cards, new drivers can be very important, because they are constantly fixing problems with specific games. Or just enabling CF for a given game, which is no trivial matter for this laptop (except for the one or two people who actually bought it with just one 3870 board).

You can blame notebook retailers for the lack of frequent updates. ATI would be more than happy to offer a generic mobile driver pack update as often as the regular drivers, but big retailers like HP, Dell, etc. don't want that. They want control over what drivers their customers use.

I used the mobility modder on the latest Catalyst drivers, and they work pretty well. It's a bit squirrelly with keeping the correct aspect ratio for non-native resolutions, but is otherwise problem free thus far.

[powerpack]

Thanny I found your second paragraph interesting and informative. I had never considered in that context.

Your 1st paragraph I have no disagreement with. But I see many upgrading or asking of such prior to experiencing problems. With the lack of OEM driver support makes upgrading some what of a needle in the haystack approach. I have changed drivers on a mobile card in the past that improved one thing at the expense of retarding something else.

That said I see your points and withdraw my previous comment. But to all just have a method to your changes. Oh and drivers are not that hard to play with. If they work better great. If not easy to go back.

[Kyle]

Is it possible to upgrade the CPU in this model or is it soldered to the MB? Trying to see what upgrade possibilites this laptop has when it comes to CPU and Vid Card.

Also, what sites are good to find/buy laptop parts from.

Thanks.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

@Kyle (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/member.php?u=11050)

You can upgrade the CPU on this notebook, you can also view our configuration menu here (http://www.xoticpc.com/force-extreme-built-flextronics-arima-w840-ocznbim17a-w840di-p-2495.html?wconfigure=yes)for any possible upgrades to your current notebook. :)

[Kyle]

Ok, I thought it only fair to update after all my original dis-satisfaction.

I got my laptop back from repair very quickly. They Replaced both the CPU and Motherboard and now it runs perfectly. Temps dont top 57-60degrees celcius anymore for CPU or GPUs so I am very happy. I have had some time to test it with Crysis, Fallout 3, FarCry 2, Red Alert 3, and some extensive 3D Studio Max renderings (3D studio max is my main use for the laptop and the main reason I bought this one). Everything runs very well. All of the games run on High settings pretty smooth (some jitters on High in Crysis from time to time), and rendering times for 3D Studio Max are very good.

As for the Customer Support, XoticPC was very helpfull and nice throughout my whole situation, they also stayed in contact with the RMA for me and kept me updated on what was going on. So I was very pleased. I also got it back from the RMA with no scratches or anything, everything was nice, clean and completely fixed. I am very pleased with XoticPC and I am glad that we also purchased a G71g-A2 from here for my GF, she is also very pleased with her laptop (one minor flaw with hers, for some reason the fan on the GPU was scraping the inside of the metal casing, it was an easy fix though, just odd).

So all in all, after the original frustration I now think XoticPC is great, and together with their phone support and RMA they stand behind their product and have really a no hassle repair and support process. Thank you XoticPC, I know I was probably a bit of a pain, but you guys did very good.

Ill try and run some benchmarks on it soon and maybe post em later.

Oh, I have a few additional questions if you guys at XoticPC know the answers.

1) What type of MXM slot is in this laptop and do you know of any places that actually sell MXM cards (other than MXM-Upgrade)

2) What is the Max Supported system memory (with Vista 64) for this?

Thanks again guys, I will definatly be reccomending anyone I know looking for a laptop to this site first.

[powerpack]

Kyle I like that post! It is a feel good. I have nothing to gain but still think nice to hear things are going well and you were helped. Post those scores when time. And you and your GF enjoy computing?:XPCS::)

[xenodude]

Yes. It can handle mobile quad processors Q9100 and QX9300. its not that cheap though.
im realy sry about this question but can a processor on this or any laptop be changed?

[powerpack]

im realy sry about this question but can a processor on this or any laptop be changed?I think yes? I mean I know yes but confused by the question? Of course.:D:)

[lovely09]

I'm not that sure because i haven't done it on my computer.I guess yes,you can change it if you want to but there's always a risk when you do it.