Confused? (canadian shipping answers in here)

[deadpixels]

OKAYOKAYOKAY.
(first off, let me say, if this post doesn't answer any questions, i'll have more accurate ones soon, my mum is a CBSA officer)

after much pawing through the CBSA website (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/)

this is what i've come up with:
according to this page [here] (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/courier/postal/ind_dutiable-e.html).
You'll have to pay the applicable provincial taxes
(GST+PST or HST+PST depending on where you live.)
the only real exception is to little things and normally PST items (kids clothing, art supplies if you're a student, etc.)

this in an excerpt from here

I brought the machine across the line myself.<-This line doesn't matter because getting it through the post or from UPS is the same idea. Taking advantage of the fact that laptops are covered under the technology category at Customs Canada and thus exempt from fees, I did not pay any duty or brokerage costs. I paid $200 CAD in taxes (PST+GST).


so to reiterate,
no duties on Laptops because they aren't dutiable.

you have to pay your province's taxes though.
(GST/PST or HST/PST if you live in Newfoundland/Labrador, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick)

hope this helped.
-mike

[timdozen]

so basically what your saying is that i just have to pay the shipping method lets say ups ground which is 57$ plus gst and pst?

btw thanks for your post =)

[deadpixels]

yup, thats exactly it, and i should mention that i've comfirmed this with my mum.

so no duties, yay.

next, i'll try to tackle using UPS without getting burned.

[timdozen]

i live in ontario so taxes still applies? i didnt see ontario included in the provinces. have u got the laptop yet maybe there are fees when it comes to your door. ive heard people in this forum who have paid brokerage fees

[deadpixels]

ontario pays GST+PST, and the only fees OTHER than taxes, would be those lame ass UPS charges.

also Canada Post charges 5$ iirc.

[timdozen]

ups charges which one are those?

[quddha]

Hi everyone. If you ship UPS GROUND, you will be charged brokerage fees, which can be very expensive.

If you ship UPS EXPRESS, the brokerage fees are included. Overall, UPS express is a better deal for Canadians on laptop shipping.

I shipped mine UPS express and only had to pay taxes. It's also gets here a lot faster as well (except some UPS delivery drivers are jerks and don't do their job properly).

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Too bad I got sent a DUD and had to send it back to Sager after 3 days of use. They won't cover RMA shipping to Canada. So I had to pay extra cash because they sent me a defective laptop!

[plz-train]

So when us Canadians pay the GST+PST, when do we pay it exactly?

When UPS delivers our order, will there be a payment attached? Or do we pay the courrier? Or do they hold our order at the border till we pay?

[Raypro]

The last time I ordered something through UPS from the states, I paid the UPS guy when he delivered the package to my door.

[amranu]

So, this seems to be conflicting. Do or do we not pay brokerage with normal shipping, and if we do how much do we pay besides taxes?

[Justin@XoticPC]

With normal UPS shipping you will have to pay Brokerage fee's. If you choose the express option (more expensive) you will not be charged brokerage fee's. I have heard Brokerage Fee's ranging from $80-$100.

[Ripple]

I was a little lost about it all as well...

UPS actually has a table on their site, based on the value of the item. It does work out to around $80 for what I'd assume to be the average purchase.

I've been told we shouldn't have to pay duty at the boarder for electronics, but UPS nor Xotic have any control there. Will for certain soon enough I suppose.

[residnt]

When I recieved my computer just after christmas I had the UPS express shipping. I didn't pay brokerage fee's or duty, I did however have to pay the taxes for it, which was just over $350.

Residnt

[CGamer]

anyone know if you pay canadian taxes on the total cost (with shipping) or the sub-total?

[Seiki]

Hey everyone, so lets get this straight.

* Laptops are not eligible for Duty fees because of some technology technicality.

* Since customs should not be charging duties, you probably won't have to pay a Customs Charge when the stuff arrives at your door

* The only thing you should have to pay is your respective Provincial Tax (PST) and Government Tax (GST) (also, I think Brokerage is still applicable if you payed for shipping that did not include it)

Here is an article I found about Tax, Customs and Brokerage charges: http://www.photoprice.ca/article/tax-duty-brokerage-demystified

I think it's safer to go w/ the brokerage shipping, and then you only have to worry about tax. If they make you pay customs charges, that doesn't make any sense since you can't duty a laptop. (supposedly) From the original post by deadpixels, it sounds like you can get out of Brokerage charges as well. I'm not sure about this. If anyone has any information on that, please... do share :P and save us all 70 bucks.

[sdeol]

I'm still not quite sure about what you guys are saying in here.

E.g.
-I buy a laptop that is roughly $2500 US on Xotic's site.
-Add in the roughly $100 for UPS Express shippping gives you $2600 US
-Converting $2600 US to Canadian funds gives you roughly $3000 CAN

I pay for this with a credit card.

Now the laptop arrives at my door, and now i'm charged PST + GST, but on what price?
Am i charged tax on the price of the laptop in US or CAN funds?
Also, how much is the current tax rate if you're in BC?

Last i remember, it is 15% total in BC.
That means $3000 CAN * 1.15 = roughly $3450 CAN

That is a lot of money, especially considering it was purchased for around $2500 US in the beginning.
:(

[robamb2002]

man! with all the added expenses and the declining gas prices you wonder if it would be worth driving down to Lincoln Nebraska and just pick it up from there front door!

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

man! with all the added expenses and the declining gas prices you wonder if it would be worth driving down to Lincoln Nebraska and just pick it up from there front door!

That could be an option, but then he would have to pay Nebraska state sales tax :eek:

Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
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[JimGoose]

Hi,

Being someone who's been ripped off by UPS before, i've done a little digging around brokerage fees and found out that it's possible to avoid it all together.

Basically as soon as you place your order and get a tracking #, you call your local UPS office and tell them you want to be your own broker for the item. Once your package reaches the UPS warehouse, you go there to pick up some forms, take it to your local customs office, fill them out and get them cleared, then return to the UPS warehouse and show them the cleared documents, you can then pick up your package.

Here's a good article that goes into it in more detail;

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-63215.html

[jyeung80]

Hi,

Here's a more obscure scenario: I live in Melbourne, Australia, but have a sister who lives in Toronto. If I have it shipped to Toronto, I know I'll have to pay GST + PST. However, since I live in Melbourne, I should be able to claim back the GST/PST right? I know I can do this for goods purchased within Canada, but since this is coming from the US, I'm not sure if things would be different. Does anyone here know?

[Gizmo]

Hi,

Here's a more obscure scenario: I live in Melbourne, Australia, but have a sister who lives in Toronto. If I have it shipped to Toronto, I know I'll have to pay GST + PST. However, since I live in Melbourne, I should be able to claim back the GST/PST right? I know I can do this for goods purchased within Canada, but since this is coming from the US, I'm not sure if things would be different. Does anyone here know?

I'm pretty sure to get your taxes back you need to provide proof that you paid your local taxes and that the item is in Australia...

If the laptop is in ontario how are you gonna get it?

[batman]

sorry for the ignorance...
about the local tax, does this mean you have to pay the delivery courier???
I have a business trip to canada and would be staying in a hotel... If i buy from xotic and have it ship there i dont think the hotel would accept the package if there are taxes to be payed... what would be the best action... thanks :D

[tamour]

Do taxes apply on a used laptop being imported from USA. If a open box used laptop is being shipped from US labeled as gift, would the taxes or duties still apply, as it is used and there is no definite way of identifying the actual value. So far what I have read on the forums is about getting a new laptop shipped into Canada, but what are the customs charges, if any, on a used laptop???

[Gizmo]

Do taxes apply on a used laptop being imported from USA. If a open box used laptop is being shipped from US labeled as gift, would the taxes or duties still apply, as it is used and there is no definite way of identifying the actual value. So far what I have read on the forums is about getting a new laptop shipped into Canada, but what are the customs charges, if any, on a used laptop???

if its used or rma and that what it say on the the box there are no import duties. However IF they scan it and IF they open it and determine its not used IE still in original package etc... you could get hit with a big fine. Also xotic will not mark the package as used or open box for you most legit companies wouldn't since it puts them at risk.

[tamour]

Well what I was trying to do is getting the new laptop shipped to a friend in US. After my friend receives the Laptop, he will open it, turn it on and then shut it down and repackage it. He will open up all of the packaging including any software and or accessories to make sure it looks used. He will mark it as Gift and in details he will write Used open box Laptop. I dont think i would be charged any duty/tax for a used item but expert advice or past experience would help.

[powerpack]

With very quick research gifts are exempt on most items up to a value of $60. Above that all taxes/duties must be paid. There is no duties on notebooks so only PST. How do you set the value of used item? In a perfect world simple. You say what you paid and that is the fair market value. If someone is going to try and game the system? Well in that case I would guess if you said a $2000 notebook was only worth $1000 you might get away with that. But you might not. The more you undervalue the greater the risk of drawing attention and having issues.

While I would say deceiving the taxman is morally wrong. I understand all do not agree. That said tamour your idea about circumventing the taxman for profit? OK morally even worse than the previous. And for your own protection be aware that is exactly the kind of thing that could lead to criminal sanctions. Failure to pay these kinds of taxes usually result in the individual having to make good on the obligation not criminal sanctions. For profit draws criminal sanctions at least in the US. To good to be true? Yea so there is a reason I would not do.

Also talking about this stuff on an open public forum is a bad idea and indicates to me you should not do. And could get all Xotic shipments to Canada under greater scrutiny.

My general rule of criminal activity is: If you have to ask you probably shouldn't be doing? In so far as you lack the expertise and getting caught is a real possibility. High crimes and misdemeanors is not the arena to practice in. By the time you get there you should already be an expert as the consequence is very high (incarceration).

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Certain posts have been moderated/deleted in this thread. Please keep the forums clean and friendly. :)

[Vadimas]

-_- -_-

I've got lost to be honest out of all these posts .. specialy its my 1st time purchasing from U.S as online.

Could someone Simplify things to me in simple steps, As i live in Edmonton "Alberta Province" .. & really would like to know how much extra i will be paying aside from the Product price which is a laptop "Price is 3800 U.S$"

Would really apperciate to know how much i will be paying additionally to have this laptop arrived infront of my door. & thanks alot.

[powerpack]

Call Xotic! And $3800? We need an award for the most insane purchase of the month from Xotic. You win April. I bet you kick Justin's notebook's ass?

There is no way overall anything comes close. Did you go with 4 HDD's? Man that is a beast.

Sorry I can't help on cost. I am still a little pissed off about the French and Indian war not too mention the Revolutionary one also. You know "live free or die"?

I am not a tea bagger just having fun. Call them tomorrow.

Edit: Vad you dug up an old thread that needed to be moderated? You could not start your own? In all seriousness do you pick at scratches? Rub scabs? Come on if you want real help stop.

[Vadimas]

Sorry Powerpack .. rly didnt mean todug on old topics or so .. i just made an e-mail to one of the ajents asking about this matter, and got this topic link as to help me out .. but tbh i just got more confused "for real"

About the Laptop price .. well its just 1 HDD btw & its same as the specs u saw on my topic on the "G73 & NP9280" and both specs cost around 3700-3800$

However, another bad news i will be paying in credit/or Debit card .. so bye bye discount copoun .. so price rising to 3900$ ..

Note: I wonder why, the sooner i become closer from purchasing my laptop, the more annoying obstcales comes on the way :(

[guanin2999]

I have a question about shipping.

Just recently, I bought an item online, but when it was shipped, the item was broken. I contacted the seller and the post office on what to do about it, and the claims are on its way. But it is really a troublesome experience, and I don't want it to happen again.

For my question, I was wondering what would happen if the laptop that was shipped to me was not functioning as it is supposed to? What could be done?

[powerpack]

Same thing as anyone in the USA? You send back for repairs. Except you pay shipping one way If Sager. I believe an Asus has world wide support. Not sure on MSI and Force models. It does suck for you guys up north, trust me far worse for our Asian and European friends.

Very sad that things are cheaper in the USA not 100% sure why. But Xotic is cheaper than the Canadian retailers even after currency conversion GST and PST plus the brokerage fee. Oh well?

On a nonworking unit from the start You should call Xotic. I mean I am sure they want to deliver a unit that works out of the box.

Also in closing, just make friends with one American.

[guanin2999]

What? It's worse to deliver here than in Europe and Asia? o_O

Yeah, I also think that the prices are cheaper, and there are far more laptop selections than the shops here.

I was planning to buy that smexy 14" ASUS laptop with the bamboo/wood body, but what happened really makes me think about it again..