New Rumor

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

Just got a new rumor i must ask lol :shock:
are u guys releasing the 9262 this month? with new chassis. :?
considering its going into the 2nd week of november :shock:
i have 2 ppl that are saying this
can someone shed some light on me
my thoughts are if its true, ur changing ths case to fit the 8800's and i will be stuck with the 8700.s FOREVER :cry: 128 bit :cry:

[Zartanxt]

hmm I dont think it has to do anything with the fitting. I think the 8800 would prolly fit in the 9261.. however it might have something to do with it running alot cooler

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

yes lager/more fans or something, differant motherboard, ect. did u here anything?

[Zartanxt]

First off, no i didnt hear anything. After i read your post i researched for a bit and talked to my buddy whose selling laptops in UK. He didd mention new hardwares comming out by december and how the cost of sager np9261 will be reduced by 25% during xmas time or something. Any how all this is completely irrelevant.

I dont think you should worry at all about the future laptops and that 8800 crap. Let it come out when it comes out. And if it doesnt fit in our little np9261 than big whoop. Then think economically. All these gamers have these expensive piece of machinery. And now nvidia comes out with this 8800 card and everyone is ever so worried if it will be compatible with their laptop or not. I think you should think as a seller from nvidia. If they come out with 8800 and it fits the MxM cards then they woujld sell more ALOT MORE. Cause i dont know aot of gamers that would dump their gorgeous np9261 and go buy a np9262 just so they can play dx10 games in a whole new performance level. Now i m not saying that they wont. I m just guaranteeing that most won't. And even if that doesnt happen.. We are living in a world of techonology, it will rise competition and cause more compatible graphics card to come out that are equal to the performance lvl or perhaps even greater then the 8800. I dont think you should care, you still got a good setting and u will be fine for a while.
Besides i heard ATI is gona get back in the game and is working on a really insane mobile graphics card. *jmwahhaha*

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

yes, i c what ur saying.
they alway drop prices at christmas time. thats y i waited till now. i wont get mine for about 2 or 3 weeks and then i have 2 more weeks to return no Questions asked. if they drop the price ill hopfully fall into that category.
i dont know about 25% that seems to be alot. at least over here in the usa. the lappy starts off at around $2000.00 so 25% of that is about $500.00 i cant see them selling it at $1500.00 starting price, but i will hope for the best, even it its $50 or $100.00 less, it still something towards my 8800's :D
that im going to get from them anyways.
i checked a couple of other forums and noone else has heard of the new 9262 coming out in november, so i just thought that i would post it here. to c if anyone from xtopic has heard of it. they would know when the 9262 is coming out.

[Zartanxt]

by december to early january new processors will arrive. Then the existing labtop will not be as much xpensive, thus the price can reduce substantially. perhaps not by full 25% but i had say good 15-20%.

And there are companies in america who sell the sagers np9261 at starting price of 1624.. so why not another 100 bucks down?
Think about it like this sager 5790 got a 200 and some change promo... 500$ off sager np9261 for xmas seems VERY reasonable... and i m not saying fully equiped. Just the base price anyways.
I would order from the other place where its 1624 but there warranty and service doesnt match xotic pc. besides justin is fun to annoy! (Justin is the MAN)!!

[Zartanxt]

btw i have an off topic question. Why did you go for the 8700? Specially over the 7950gtx

[xpcdude]

I agree with you Zartanxt , the MXM modules were designed for this particular reason, an information that can be found on nVidia's site : http://www.nvidia.com/page/mxm.html .The 8800M will be compatible with powerful laptops , such as the 9261, IF the power requirements will not exceed 45-50W, the necessary power requirement for the 7950GTX. Taking into consideration the launch of the 8800GT which tops a 110 W TDP and if 5-10% slower than the 8800GTX which eats up to 150 W, maybe 50 W on a 65n chip is possible.
Also, MXM IV is the most likely candidate for the upgrade. Nvidia has not stated anything concrete about it because there is still some commercial issues that must be clarified,and also, marketing is all about competition.But the 9261 and 5791, among the only few MXM IV beneficiaries,are the most likely to have this upcoming video card included in future offers. But do not be dissapointed if that will not be the case, since we have witnessed a lot of inconsistencies in the past between prior announcements and latter realities.
It is all about speculation and it is pointless to say that the 8800M will definitely fit these notebooks, or that the 9262 will appear for this exact reason. The smartest thing is to wait for it to appear, let the price drop after a few months ,and by then you will know for sure what this baby can do.
Best of luck in your anticipations, we all know gaming requires pacience :)

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

btw i have an off topic question. Why did you go for the 8700? Specially over the 7950gtx


i went with 2x 8700's because i dont think we will c the 8800's till feb or march so till then i can use the dx10 (is the future)
thats y i went with vista 64bit also it will be the better os someday :roll: lol(is the future)

u have guys ocing and getting over 10,200 scores with there 8700's and still staying @ 60c to 65c temps

[xpcdude]

About the score, possible with extreme core 2 duo processors, but 60-65C is way off. Try more like 70-75,or even 80 in full load. :)
OCling is not recommended and WILL VOID the warranty. It is pointless to lose the warranty for some 4-500 points in 3dmark06 and 10 fps, you`d be better off upgrading.
About your choice, rest assured that 2 8700GTs are better that one 7950GTX. Which is the king at this moment.

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

please go to notebook review and look at all the ocing stats guys are posting i agree 100/500 points is not worth losing warrenty/money/lappy but if u look at these scores of 10200+ verses 7000/8000 stock it make u think twice and there temps are 50/58c idle and 60/65c gaming (with FN+1) fan max

[Zartanxt]

i agree with xpcdude 2 8700Gt is definately better then single 7950GT.. However, it is more financially speaking efficient to wait a few more months just stick with the single 7950GT. Because there isn't any game right now that 7950gt cant handle. As far as 8700 Gt goes well read this quote "
See my post here for a rough idea of how the Go 7950 GTX and 8700M GT compare. The summary: The 8700M GT isn't worth it. The 8700 is gimped by its lack of memory bandwidth (about half: 25.6 GB/s vs. the 7950 GTX's 44.8 GB/s, mostly because of the 8700's 128-bit memory bus) which drastically cuts its performance, especially at high resolutions and AA where memory bandwidth becomes a bottleneck.

The Go 7950 GTX will provide a better (or at least, prettier) gaming experience. DX10 allows you to add neat effects like per-pixel lighting and soft shadows, but those features take a crap-load of processing power that the 8700M GT just doesn't have. You'd have to disable DX10 effects to get a playable framerate anyway, and then you'd just be left with a weaker card running in DX9 mode. Also, it will be a very long time (several years, more than likely) before games are DX10 only (most games today still support older DX versions), and by then neither card will be able to play those games well anyway. "

And also visit this website http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=137521&page=5
This will educate you into differentiating between your needs from your wants. Ultimately its all up to you. They both are truly Amazing. But its stupid to get any in SLI knowing that 8800 will be out early next year, and i can guarantee, (ofcourse with no concrete evidence :( ) that the 8800 with be MXM 4. And if not then get it slied.. atleast it will be cheaper then!

[Zartanxt]

please go to notebook review and look at all the ocing stats guys are posting i agree 100/500 points is not worth losing warrenty/money/lappy but if u look at these scores of 10200+ verses 7000/8000 stock it make u think twice and there temps are 50/58c idle and 60/65c gaming (with FN+1) fan max

Could i actually have the link to that, cause i been wanting to find those scores and couldnt you OC a 7950GT to surpass the 8700?

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

you are 100% right in what u say between cards 128bits sux but if the 8800's dont come out till march or april (shipping in lappies) then i have had dx10 for 5 or 6 months :wink:
what i disagree is you have to disable dx10 to get it to work well go to notebook review and look at what the card is doing. these guys are making this card smoke. (for a 128 bit). but yes it is not in the same league as the king (7950) u are right
the king Will be overthrown one day :wink:

[Zartanxt]

dude you know what i was thinking about doing listen up. And XPCDUDE please can you tell me if it will work.

I was gona get a 8700 with my 7950 ofcourse it wont be sli enabled. TWO hdd dual boot with vista and XP and have hdd dedicated to 8700 and one dedicated to 7950. And that way i can play dx10 games and my other regular games (dx9) with my beloved 7950.
I have a feeling that will make the motherboard shit in its pants

[xpcdude]

Due to technical reasons, SLI requires the same video card in both slots,regardless of the different manufacter or BIOS revision..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface
However, ATI's upcoming edition of HD 3800 may allow cards of the same core but different memory and clock frequencies to be configured in CrossFire,,2 ways,3ways or quad way.Please view here : http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/29/amd_hd_3800_to_support_dx_10/

If I am getting your message right, andI you plan to use both card independently, that might seem like an unorthodox idea,but it will work.You would however have to independently disable on of the video cards,so that only one would be active, provided that there is no conflict between them.I do not see the point in it though. Either go with 2x8700Gt(bad idea at this point,better do 2x7950GTX) or wait for the 8800M and enable SLI for the ultimate performance.

[Zartanxt]

Yap you are right, that would have been pain. SLI 7950 it is :) thanks :wink:

[xpcdude]

One 7950GTX should have a smooth sailing through games,but I have to warn you though, Crysis for example, which I`ve tested on my 7950 paired with a t7500 2.2 C2D processor run on medium and 1024 reasonably, but no more than that. I suspect that a better processor may actually increase performance, so if you are looking for performance now,1 7950gtx is the smart choice, if you want future power, 2x8800M, when available,is the way to go.
As I've said all over the places, the 926X is and will remain the most poweful laptop in the world for a very long time.

[Spaz]

Yes a better processor does equal better performance (going back to the whole bottlenecking thing).

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

lol i dont think u can get it to work noone else has done taht that i know of it sounds good tho

[Zartanxt]

well i am sure 4 gigs of ram 7200 rpm + the quad core will help with the performance of the game as well. I mean after all they are all working together to run the game.

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

please go to notebook review and look at all the ocing stats guys are posting i agree 100/500 points is not worth losing warrenty/money/lappy but if u look at these scores of 10200+ verses 7000/8000 stock it make u think twice and there temps are 50/58c idle and 60/65c gaming (with FN+1) fan max

Could i actually have the link to that, cause i been wanting to find those scores and couldnt you OC a 7950GT to surpass the 8700?



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11-01-2007, 07:34 AM #26
Kozi
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Originally Posted by Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-
Kozi
everyting runnin good now?

Everything is running awesome with the 169.04 driver from laptopvideo2go.com.

I'm also using RivaTuner 2.05 which is EXCELLENT. I have it in my task bar so I can quickly apply OC settings using the Riva Launcher. I also have it put core temps and frame rate as an overlay when gaming. It works with Vista 64 -- no problems.

I've also added wPrime to the Riva Launcher and 3DMark. That way I can quickly execute benchmarks as well. I score 17sec in wPrime btw .

I'm running at 756/902 on the clocks. The shader clock is also controllable but i have it linked to the CPU clock right now so it scales as I OC the CPU.

With max fans (FN+1) my GPU temps peak at 60 C while overclocking at 756/902. I've tried a CPU clock of 801 but things quickly deteriorated in 3DMark06 .

My last goal is FSB overclocking. Steponz is pursuing a new BIOS. I'm going to try messing with the PLL registers (been attempted by others without success so I'm not too confident). Lastly I may try shorting two pads on the bottom of the Quad so it autodetects as 1333 FSB. The problem with that (other than the obvious) is my Q6600 my not run at a clock speed of 3GHz -- but I won't know until I short the pads. A lot of work to figure that out.
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Q6600, 4GB 800MHz RAM, SLI 8700GT, WUXGA+, RAID-0 2x160GB SATA-II HDD
Ordered from xoticpc

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11-02-2007, 09:41 PM #36
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Ever since I learned about FN+1, I use the fans on full while gaming, benchmarking, etc.

With those OC settings and fans on MAX, my GPU temps are 59-64C according to RivaTuner (which had identical temps to nTune).

I also added FPS and both GPU temps to the RivaTuner overlay. I can see them continuously while gaming .

I haven't figured out how to show CPU temp using the RivaTuner overlay. That one is sort of pissing me off but it's not critical since I can't OC my CPU on this computer (which is complete and total BS).

For $3600 I should be able to OC my FSB or any clock.
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Q6600, 4GB 800MHz RAM, SLI 8700GT, WUXGA+, RAID-0 2x160GB SATA-II HDD
Ordered from xoticpc

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

thats just 2 post that say there running at 60c to 64c while gaming with FN+1 on (max fans)

hope it helps u out

Ps
Im not telling u to oc ur lappy at all. just saying ppls are and they are running COOL
u can lose it all!
ocing will = no warranty

can burnedout lappy = lose all ur money =
can lose all ur info
u know the deal its a risk, a very big risk, if u dont know what ur doing.
im not going to oc mine. till i need to when its old and gray
im gonna put the best drivers in there and see what scores i get

[xpcdude]

A score of 9k at default means high setting in all current games. And means longer lifespan for the laptop itself. Although I've done some overclocking in the past on my ati x1600 and riva tnt2, I'm all out`of it. Stock speeds give me all the performance I need, and I play it safe. :)

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

me too i oced my desktop to the max and, lol i cooked it.(should i say past the max) it was great for 1 or 2hrs of gaming I had no problems.
i was playing ns for about 3 or 4 hrs without checking temps and lost windows xp my asus motherboard and my power supply *Poof*!!!! it was all gone
guess it could have been worse the hdd, processor and vidieo card were ok

u know what they say " a little bit of knowledge is DANGEROUS!!!!
and i fall into that category. i can oc any puter till it cooks my problem is gettting them to run great forever.

[Zartanxt]

lol what aboout throwing in a notebook cooleR! would that help???

[Zartanxt]

guys i actually have a question on understanding Raid. Can someone explain to me what it really is, and whether it could increase the performance of your machine?

Thanks :twisted:

[xpcdude]

RAID 0 (Performance)
Advantage:Approx. 70% faster than the single drive when reading and about 30% faster when writing.
Disadvantage: If one hard drive fails, all data is lost
Requires 2 drives.

RAID 1 (Reliability)
Advantage:If one hard drive fails, no data is lost
Disadvantages:Approximately 30% performance hit when writing to the array. Minimal penalty for reading.
Due to the fact that the contents of the first drive are stored identically on the second drive, the size of the array is the same size as a single hard drive -- the hard drives will write together, doubling the noise.
Requires 2 drives.

RAID 5
Advantages Highest Read data transaction rate,medium Write data transaction rate,kow ratio of ECC (Parity) disks to data disks means high efficiency.good aggregate transfer rate

Disadvantages Disk failure has a medium impact on throughput,most complex controller design,difficult to rebuild in the event of a disk failure (as compared to RAID level 1),Individual block data transfer rate same as single disk
Requires 3 drives.

There you go :)

[Zartanxt]

Very well explained ineed.

So ... if i just have 2 hdd i can technically Raid it myself? I mean if i read enuff about it online perhaps?

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

lol what aboout throwing in a notebook cooleR! would that help???

no it was a desktop and i had it maxed out. i only paly for 1 maybe 2hrs. the temp climbed but never into overheat. i never had problems
its the one time i play for 3 or 4 hrs i cooked it. i was so use to palying with no problems i just didnt think of checking it i hear the fans on got into the game and POOF!! it al shut down

[Gmau-=The_|2ooster=-]

Very well explained ineed.

So ... if i just have 2 hdd i can technically Raid it myself? I mean if i read enuff about it online perhaps?

yes u can turn raid on off in bios