Sager NP9280 (Clevo D900F) Benchmarks

[Justin@XoticPC]

We will start taking pre orders for the new Sager NP9280 (Clevo D900F) tonight. GO HERE (http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9280-built-clevo-d900f-late-p-2577.html) for more info and the page will go live tonight.

Some benchmarks on this machine: (Straight out of the box with no tweaking)

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/9280x.jpg

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/CinebenchR1064bit.jpg


http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/wPrime155_8thread.jpg


1920x1200


http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/3d06_19x12.jpg

Default

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/3DMARK06_DEFAULT.jpg

3D Mark Vantage Extreme

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/3DV-EX.jpg

3D Mark Vantage Performance

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/3DV-PERF.jpg






http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/Crysis_NP9280.jpg

Here are some inside pics of the new Sager NP9280 (Clevo D900F) :biggrin:

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/bottom-open.jpg


http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/D900F/keyboard-open.jpg

[mc511]

Wow okay that is one hell of a machine. I am impressed with that. Shamefully my budget wont allow that baby but i cant wait to see some games up and running. Looks awesome.

[Martins2012@gmail.com]

Very nice specification but; man this machine is ugly! My girlfriend just asked me if im tasting lemon! Seriously!

[wadwad214]

maybe, but i'd rather pay for performance rather than just looks. just my opinion.

-PS-
Justin, am i the 1st one to pre order this beast from here? =) and do you guys own a sager 9262? because maybe its good to find out which is better, sager np9262 or np9280. =)

[Mosaic]

Well, thats like comparing apples and oranges. The 9262 doesnt have the latest performing CPU like the 9280 does, the i7. Nor can the 9262 hold 12 GB of ram. However, I cant even think of what you would need 12 GB of ram for. Regardless, more is always better. 13k 3dMark06 score is impressive for only one video card!! You guys already know, the 280M will be coming in SLi soon, im sure nVidia is tracking the current success of their mobile gaming supporters.

Great review, great new comp, Ill be getting one next year no doubt.

[mupet]

comparing this machine with Asus W90VP-A1, which one is the best? ASUS has 2 GPU, and i don't think 280M SLI will be coming soon.

[yutzybrian]

The GTX280m is MXM 3.0 correct?

[Woody]

Very nice specification but; man this machine is ugly! My girlfriend just asked me if im tasting lemon! Seriously!
Well that's a simple fix, get a new girlfriend! ;)

[mupet]

Well that's a simple fix, get a new girlfriend! ;)

HUAHAHA LOL (FOR REAL!!!) man..ur killing me... i think thats true man...:yes:

[powerpack]

The GTX280m is MXM 3.0 correct?MXM 3.0b I believe I read yesterday.

When did 1280x1024 become the default 3DMark06?

[Woody]

When did 1280x1024 become the default 3DMark06?

I think it always has been.

[yutzybrian]

MXM 3.0b I believe I read yesterday.


Cool thanks

[KATAKROKET]

Im SO getting this. Just raised the limit on my Credit card for this baby!!

[shiva.nf]

Hey Guys,

I 've ordered a 5797 and while I was waiting for that I saw this one coming up. I am just wondering if it'll be a good move to cancel that one and order this. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Is the performance difference between i7 925 and c2d t9800 that much?

Thanks

[Woody]

Is the performance difference between i7 925 and c2d t9800 that much?

Thanks

I'm assuming you mean the 2.66GHz Core i7 920 compared to the mobile quad core 2.93GHz T9800? The Core i7 920 will be significantly faster in probably any benchmark you can throw at it.

The NP9280 machine is heavier, less portable and has a massive power brick but that never stopped me. It will still fit in a typical Targus 17" notebook bag.

[Jon]

Hey Guys,

I 've ordered a 5797 and while I was waiting for that I saw this one coming up. I am just wondering if it'll be a good move to cancel that one and order this. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Is the performance difference between i7 925 and c2d t9800 that much?

Thanks

I think it all depends on what you plan on doing? Do you really need a i7? Is your laptop a desktop replacement or a supplement to your desktop? I have a Asus W90 (& before that a ALienware M17X):those things are HEAVY! If you plan on moving it around a lot you should no that. I tried bringing my "old" Alienware to Borders once & man, it was a nuisance! Both are Great machines! Again, it all depends on what you need.

[shiva.nf]

I think it all depends on what you plan on doing? Do you really need a i7? Is your laptop a desktop replacement or a supplement to your desktop? I have a Asus W90 (& before that a ALienware M17X):those things are HEAVY! If you plan on moving it around a lot you should no that. I tried bringing my "old" Alienware to Borders once & man, it was a nuisance! Both are Great machines! Again, it all depends on what you need.


I've decided to stick with 5797. I can't wait for another month for 9280. I mostly play games and I think c2d 2.93GHz should be good enough for the games that are present and the ones that might come out in the next 1 or 2 years. Who know what happens next?

[Woody]

...I mostly play games and I think c2d 2.93GHz should be good enough for the games that are present and the ones that might come out in the next 1 or 2 years...

Oh I agree....it's more than fast enough and will perform really well...all for a lot less weight, heat, and bulk. The 5797 is a beautiful machine too.

[Jon]

I've decided to stick with 5797. I can't wait for another month for 9280. I mostly play games and I think c2d 2.93GHz should be good enough for the games that are present and the ones that might come out in the next 1 or 2 years. Who know what happens next?

its a beautiful & powerful machine! I'm sure you'll love it!

[mupet]

I heard Asus W90VP0-A1 is Ram memory is upgradable up to 10 GB. i dunno this is going to be stable or not. pls some1 confirm.

[lv2game]

The Asus is chipset bound.You are limited to under 7Gb.

[mupet]

sorry,i dunno how to post a vid yet but check this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpdZiyID8rc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum%2Enotebookreview%2Ecom%2Fs howthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D354885%26page%3D650&feature=player_embedded)..its shows asus 290 can handle up to 10 GB RAM, i got it from other forum, soo confiused wich one i should take... mostly for gameing use ...please advice

[wadwad214]

he's right. saw the video. maybe the asus w90 is capable of up to 12gb. if you'll think of the 10gb, its like 4gb + 4gb + 2gb ram. good but, sager np9280 is capable of 12gb too anyway. =) i'll still stick with my purchase. just hate to wait for soooooooooo long. 2 more weeks. =(

-yup its 2 4gb ram, paused it when it closed up on the ram "4gb pc2-6400 cls"-

[Hollow]

he's right. saw the video. maybe the asus w90 is capable of up to 12gb. if you'll think of the 10gb, its like 4gb + 4gb + 2gb ram. good but, sager np9280 is capable of 12gb too anyway. =) i'll still stick with my purchase. just hate to wait for soooooooooo long. 2 more weeks. =(

-yup its 2 4gb ram, paused it when it closed up on the ram "4gb pc2-6400 cls"-

You are right about the W90 being capable of 12GB. Striker over at notebookreview has the A1 and has pretty much upgraded it out the wazoooo including 12GB of Patriot Memmory.

[mupet]

so what is the conclusion...which one is the best gaming laptop?

[powerpack]

W90 for gaming. 2x4870 is more than 280m.

[Fenix90]

W90 for gaming. 2x4870 is more than 280m.

Only problem with Crossfire and SLI is that some games don't support it. IMO I think the 9280 is much better choice seeing that it's able to support the i7 and the most powerful mobile single GPU card to date. I ordered one the first week of May and I'm itching to get it as soon as possible.:biggrin:

[powerpack]

Only problem with Crossfire and SLI is that some games don't support it. IMO I think the 9280 is much better choice seeing that it's able to support the i7 and the most powerful mobile single GPU card to date. I ordered one the first week of May and I'm itching to get it as soon as possible.:biggrin:I agree 100%. I favor single more powerful card myself in a notebook. But I also favor the NP5797 so all have their pro's and con's. And I do expect heat for my comment about W90. But when the question is asked a certain way I believe in my answer. What is the most powerful notebook? Different answer.:)

[Hollow]

I agree 100%. I favor single more powerful card myself in a notebook. But I also favor the NP5797 so all have their pro's and con's. And I do expect heat for my comment about W90. But when the question is asked a certain way I believe in my answer. What is the most powerful notebook? Different answer.:)

I prefer the W90 myself but, I agree with your assesment. Very sound, well thought out, and logical.

[Fenix90]

I was originally veering towards the W90 but what gave me an itch about it was that it had DDR2 RAM opposed to DDR3. I know many of you would find this a minor flaw that can be overlooked but it just felt that the W90 would be better off with DDR3. I do agree though that the W90 does look better than the 9280 chassis...or is that just me?

[powerpack]

I was originally veering towards the W90 but what gave me an itch about it was that it had DDR2 RAM opposed to DDR3. I know many of you would find this a minor flaw that can be overlooked but it just felt that the W90 would be better off with DDR3. I do agree though that the W90 does look better than the 9280 chassis...or is that just me?If by flaw you mean lower clocked tighter timings are equal to higher clocks and looser timings being the same bandwidth? Then yea sure a flaw.

Other than that not sure of your point. Also consider the greater GPU?:confused:

[Xixecel]

Is it here yet... oh where or where are you .. you sexy beast NP9280... come home to me....

i so hate waiting lol!

-Xixecel

[Woody]

A couple points.....

One....You will likely not see any difference in gaming performance for any RAM amount above 2GB. Since the NP9280 starts with 3GB minimum and the ASUS W90 starts with 6GB it's not going to be an issue as far as performance. I think if you get the 9280 you should go with the 6GB option at least since it's only a little bit more money and you can never really have too much RAM but unless you like to leave a bunch of open applications running in the background while you are gaming it won't give you a gaming performance advantage in todays games.

Two...The W90 has a wider and larger screen than the 9280 but it runs at a slightly lower resolution therefore the dual ATi graphics cards in the W90 don't have to work as hard as the single NVidia graphics card in the 9280 when running games at native resolution. On the other hand, when I game I usually game at 1920x1080 anyway and set NVidia scaling with fixed aspect ration in the graphics options so I have black bars at the top and bottom of the screen so again in the real world that's not an issue but the 9280 has a better screen for general computing use (IMHO) having greater vertical resoltion.

Third...The 9280 has a friggin core i7 processor! It's the only notebook with this option. This means the base 920 CPU in the 9280 is going to be significantly faster than the most expensive option in the W90 which is the QX9300 Core™2 Quad at 2.53GHz for more than a thousand dollars more money. Modern 3D games are going to be heavily graphics dependent but some are more CPU dependent than others. The faster CPU in the 9280 is going to have a huge influence on game performance especially for new games. Comparing the base CPUs in both of these models to keep the prices competitive and the 9280 will outperform the W90 easily.

[Fenix90]

Is it here yet... oh where or where are you .. you sexy beast NP9280... come home to me....

i so hate waiting lol!

-Xixecel

I was told from an unanonymous source that this might be out to ship by 5/30 which is a saturday. I would assume it would be arriving at people's houses on the first week of June. Patience isn't my forte either. At times I do wish there was a date announced but I get the feeling that date isn't up to them because I think they're still waiting for the shipment of parts to arrive.

[fallenxlionheart]

it takes so long.... i payed using a check so im still waiting for a confirmation email saying they recieved payment..im worried about that:confused:

[Fenix90]

it takes so long.... i payed using a check so im still waiting for a confirmation email saying they recieved payment..im worried about that:confused:

It shouldn't take that long for them to get the check. When did you send it?

[fallenxlionheart]

last friday..... I dont actually know how long it takes???

[Fenix90]

I would assume it should have arrived. By now they should be processing it. You did give your information with the check right?

[fallenxlionheart]

yes it has my phone number and the model of computer i purchased and the name the computer was bought under...unfortunatley i didnt include the order number:confused: i hope that didnt mess anything up...maybe i need to get ahold of xotic pc

[fallenxlionheart]

im supposed to recieve an email when the payment is recieved right??? Still waiting on the emial....

[some1new00]

I would highly recommend calling them on Tuesday, since I'm sure they're out for the holiday weekend... I thought I'd join the convo and announce that I can't wait for my beast to get here either! :D

[Fenix90]

Hey Justin, is there any overclocking benchmarks that can be seen or is this the best that can be done. I'd be really intrested to see if it is possible to overclock.

[fallenxlionheart]

im curious about this... were those benchmarks using raid 0? or a stand alone hard drive

[Woody]

Hey Justin, is there any overclocking benchmarks that can be seen or is this the best that can be done. I'd be really intrested to see if it is possible to overclock.

You can always overclock at your own risk but I doubt a rep from the vendor would even discuss it let alone test it publicly. It will probably void your warranty. There are several threads in these and other forums that discuss the techniques involved in overclocking a computer such as a notebook that locks out the features in the BIOS.

[fallenxlionheart]

i love to overclock...but not in a notebook...and i deff wont do it to my 9280....how much more awesome can an i7 get

[DrewB]

i love to overclock...but not in a notebook...and i deff wont do it to my 9280....how much more awesome can an i7 get

4.2 ghz more awesome to be exact!

Although that was for a desktop pc :-/

[shadow]

what about the GPU thats the one i would like to see info on overclocking

[fallenxlionheart]

??? Just curious ??? Can anyone give me so quick tips to keep a 9280 cool? And maybe perhaps tell me where to get a notebook cooler to fit it?

[Woody]

??? Just curious ??? Can anyone give me so quick tips to keep a 9280 cool? And maybe perhaps tell me where to get a notebook cooler to fit it?

Any notebook cooler for a 17" notebook

[fallenxlionheart]

Any recommendations

[sebastianduhra]

Any recommendations


I heard the Zalman ZM-NC2000 Notebook Cooler, Black (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/Products/PID-MX20516(ME).aspx)
is one of the best. Search it on Youtube.

[Woody]

You don't need a notebook cooler....Personally to me it's just something bulky that makes noise that you have to carry around.

The notebook is designed to run within specs and as long as you have a smooth hard surface to set the notebook on when using to allow normal airflow underneath a notebook cooler is redundant.

Someone bought me a notebook cooler last year and it's still in the box. Reminds me though...I may take it out and at least see what effect it actually has on temps on my 9262.

[wadwad214]

well the zalman nc2000 notebook cooler is good. i mean good because its really quiet. i thought at first its not working because i did not hear anything at all after plugging it in.

[KY_BULLET]

Any recommendations


I'm pretty sure that we won't have to worry too much about overheating. The 9262 ran in SLI with no problems..We will have 4 massive fans moving the heat around. Make sure you don't put anything of value behind the vents...Probably like a fighter jet afterburners on take off...:eeek2:

But, i bought (a piece of mind) the 17'in notebook cooler. I think it's called a rocket fish or somethng like that.

Won't hurt to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. They are pretty cheap and won't set you back too much.

Hope this helps

[eternaldrk]

I'm looking to pick up a NP9280 myself and will probably end up getting a laptop cooler. I'm active duty and getting deployed to a hot zone pretty soon so I don't want my new toy to commit sepuku.

Quick question to anyone who has experience:

I'm planning on multi-boxing WoW on my new laptop. I'm thinking the 9280 will be the best choice as it has a much more powerful quad core processor and a very good single gpu. WoW is really not that graphics intensive for modern computers. I have successfully run 5 copies of WoW at once on my over 3-year old Sager D9K which only has an Athlon 64 X2 4800+, 2GB of RAM, and a GeForce Go 7800 GTX. I was originally looking at the W90 because of the 2x 4780's, but I'm thinking processor is more important for multi-boxing. Any thoughts?

Thanks

[lv2game]

Love this 9280 but the update are long.My base score is only 5.8.I thought it would be 5.9 across the board.My primary hard drive/disk date transfer rate is 5.8.I got the 320G 7200rpm drive HD.Tryed to redo score but no luck.Maybe i should have got the ssd.I will keep you all posted.

[KY_BULLET]

Love this 9280 but the update are long.My base score is only 5.8.I thought it would be 5.9 across the board.My primary hard drive/disk date transfer rate is 5.8.I got the 320G 7200rpm drive HD.Tryed to redo score but no luck.Maybe i should have got the ssd.I will keep you all posted.

No doubt you should be 5.9...I have a 160gb 5400 and score 4.8...Don't know what is going on there..I hope those updates don't have anything to do with it. I have seen on the forums before about guys asking about all the updates when they first turn on their computers...And the same reply is "don't fix it if it aint broke"....Good luck

EDIT*...Do you have a single HDD or 2 or 3?

[GIG.AD]

Any notebook cooler for a 17" notebook

CRYO NZXT cooler works great for this laptop, has 5 ADDED USB ports, uses 3 120mm fans that push out a lot of air, hinged and folds up a little bit for some portability, the best part is the fan placement on this cooler, it perfectly lines up with the vents( with my D901C anyway ).
Might be a little louder than other laptop coolers, ( In my own opinion very tolerable an not even a issue).
Overall a great 17" laptop cooler that also does a very, very good job maintaining cool temps

[Amobcoene]

Great job with the info. How did you find it? Please let me know.

[fallenxlionheart]

I see we have a new member :)

[Xixecel]

Lets haze the noob, err welcome, thats what i meant, bad brain!!

-Xixecel

[Fenix90]

I've been able to do some benchmarks on my 9280 so far.

3DMark 06 Score: 12760

COD: World at War - Avg. FPS: 76

Battery Drain Test (Low settings): 1hr 28mins

[KY_BULLET]

what drivers you for the GPU...Nvidia has the new one 186.03...Might help you out some

[ChaosTheory]

Just a quick initial review as I get this lappy up to speed with my settings, etc. Got it on Weds and have only had a few hours so far to play with it.

NP 9280
I7 950 (3.06ghz)
6g ram
Nvidia 280m
160g SSD
Vista 64 HP

Nice machine, very fast, but so far unstable-- even before anything I installed. This is my first Vista system, and I've only dabbled on others' before, so maybe this is what everyone's talking about with regard to flaws? It's like dating the prom queen-- nice looking on the outside but dig a little further... I've received 2 blue screen crashes already, and just actually received the 2nd while typing this on my home pc. I've also had issues with booting. In 5 years with XP I *never* received a blue screen crash no matter what I did. I've now had 2 in under a week with Vista.

I also ordered Word '07 and it came preinstalled, but not activated. I cannot find the activation codes nor was I sent the CDs. This wasn't an Xotic machine, but I understand they come directly from the same source so I don't think it would have mattered?

I'll keep you posted as I start doing some other things with it.

[Pata]

Hello there, first post and some request:)

Could any of the people (or Justin) with this beast try some benchmarking with the new nvidia drivers (if possible crysis:) ), if you can oc the gpu even better! (not worth to oc a cpu like this for true games with nvidia card). Thanks in advance.

[elmokajaky]

Any reviews or information from people who've bought an NP9280 will be greatly appreciated. I've been Googling every day, looking for reviews, but so far nada. I want to buy this laptop, but where are the reviews?

Joel

[KY_BULLET]

Any reviews or information from people who've bought an NP9280 will be greatly appreciated. I've been Googling every day, looking for reviews, but so far nada. I want to buy this laptop, but where are the reviews?

Joel

There is a benchmark ran in this thread...But, this is right out of the box with older drivers i imagine...I have heard that a tech on NBR got between 14k and 15k on 3DMark 06 but i've yet to see the results of that..

http://xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=4034

[Justin@XoticPC]

I also ordered Word '07 and it came preinstalled, but not activated. I cannot find the activation codes nor was I sent the CDs. This wasn't an Xotic machine, but I understand they come directly from the same source so I don't think it would have mattered?

I'll keep you posted as I start doing some other things with it.

Your activation code would either be on the bottom of the laptop or in your bag on a card (shaped like a credit card) Unfortunately since Office 2007's release Microsoft no longer includes CD's with the purchase of OEM Office. There is more info on this page to get a back up CD from Microsoft. http://www.xoticpc.com/office-2007-media-a-33.html

[ChaosTheory]

Your activation code would either be on the bottom of the laptop or in your bag on a card (shaped like a credit card) Unfortunately since Office 2007's release Microsoft no longer includes CD's with the purchase of OEM Office. There is more info on this page to get a back up CD from Microsoft. http://www.xoticpc.com/office-2007-media-a-33.html


Only the Vista code is on the bottom, and no card. :(

I've contacted my dealer.

...and add 2 more blue screen crashes and several other windows-related hiccups. Wow, had I known Vista was this bad, I would've asked for "no OS". I haven't had a chance to game yet as I'm still readying this thing for the desert.

[Fenix90]

what drivers you for the GPU...Nvidia has the new one 186.03...Might help you out some

I have 185.85. I'll get the latest drivers when I get the chance and give you an update if there is any changes.

[ChaosTheory]

I have 185.85. I'll get the latest drivers when I get the chance and give you an update if there is any changes.

I would be cautious with the new driver. These blue screens may have started because of it, as I realize now that was one of the first things I did.

Disclaimer: I'm not blaming the driver just yet, merely pointing out a suspect at this time.

[elmokajaky]

There is a benchmark ran in this thread...But, this is right out of the box with older drivers i imagine...I have heard that a tech on NBR got between 14k and 15k on 3DMark 06 but i've yet to see the results of that..

http://xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=4034

Thanks - I saw the benchmarks, which are useful. I'm curious as to general satisfaction levels with this beast, though - anyone a) really happy or b) really unhappy with their purchase? General impressions, gotchas and the like.

Much appreciated.

Joel

[ChaosTheory]

Blue screen crashes continue, despite updated drivers and x64 compatability checks, and updated software for Vista et al. Windows Debugger thinks it's an 'ntkrnlmp.exe' issue, which may very well be hardware-related.

I post this not so much for tech-support, but as a review thus far of the NP 9280, which has been the most unstable computer I've ever owned. I simply can't trust it until this issue is resolved.

Anyway, here' the log if anyone's curious:


Microsoft ® Windows Debugger Version 6.11.0001.404 AMD64
Copyright © Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Loading Dump File [C:\Users\#####\Documents\Crash Data\Mini061709-04.dmp]
Mini Kernel Dump File: Only registers and stack trace are available

Symbol search path is: SRV*c:\symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Executable search path is:
Windows Server 2008/Windows Vista Kernel Version 6002 (Service Pack 2) MP (8 procs) Free x64
Product: WinNt, suite: TerminalServer SingleUserTS Personal
Built by: 6002.18005.amd64fre.lh_sp2rtm.090410-1830
Machine Name:
Kernel base = 0xfffff800`02419000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0xfffff800`025dddd0
Debug session time: Wed Jun 17 13:32:49.343 2009 (GMT-5)
System Uptime: 0 days 0:05:00.063
Loading Kernel Symbols
.................................................. .............
.................................................. ..............
.........................
Loading User Symbols
Loading unloaded module list
..
************************************************** *****************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
************************************************** *****************************

Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

BugCheck 7F, {8, 80050033, 6f8, fffff800024d3719}

Probably caused by : ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt!KiDoubleFaultAbort+b8 )

Followup: MachineOwner
---------

3: kd> !analyze -v
************************************************** *****************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
************************************************** *****************************

UNEXPECTED_KERNEL_MODE_TRAP (7f)
This means a trap occurred in kernel mode, and it's a trap of a kind
that the kernel isn't allowed to have/catch (bound trap) or that
is always instant death (double fault). The first number in the
bugcheck params is the number of the trap (8 = double fault, etc)
Consult an Intel x86 family manual to learn more about what these
traps are. Here is a *portion* of those codes:
If kv shows a taskGate
use .tss on the part before the colon, then kv.
Else if kv shows a trapframe
use .trap on that value
Else
.trap on the appropriate frame will show where the trap was taken
(on x86, this will be the ebp that goes with the procedure KiTrap)
Endif
kb will then show the corrected stack.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000008, EXCEPTION_DOUBLE_FAULT
Arg2: 0000000080050033
Arg3: 00000000000006f8
Arg4: fffff800024d3719

Debugging Details:
------------------


BUGCHECK_STR: 0x7f_8

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 4

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: COMMON_SYSTEM_FAULT

PROCESS_NAME: System

CURRENT_IRQL: 2

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from fffff800024731ee to fffff80002473450

STACK_TEXT:
fffffa60`019dda68 fffff800`024731ee : 00000000`0000007f 00000000`00000008 00000000`80050033 00000000`000006f8 : nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffffa60`019dda70 fffff800`02471a38 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiBugCheckDispatch+0x6e
fffffa60`019ddbb0 fffff800`024d3719 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiDoubleFaultAbort+0xb8
fffffa60`019f9ff0 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+0x2c0d5


STACK_COMMAND: kb

FOLLOWUP_IP:
nt!KiDoubleFaultAbort+b8
fffff800`02471a38 90 nop

SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 2

SYMBOL_NAME: nt!KiDoubleFaultAbort+b8

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: nt

IMAGE_NAME: ntkrnlmp.exe

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 49e0237f

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: X64_0x7f_8_nt!KiDoubleFaultAbort+b8

BUCKET_ID: X64_0x7f_8_nt!KiDoubleFaultAbort+b8

Followup: MachineOwner

[Fenix90]

I would be cautious with the new driver. These blue screens may have started because of it, as I realize now that was one of the first things I did.

Disclaimer: I'm not blaming the driver just yet, merely pointing out a suspect at this time.

No issues yet. I haven't been able to get a new benchmark yet because I've been so busy lately.

[DrewB]

Anyone want to make the first user made video to go up on youtube? ^^

[KY_BULLET]

No issues yet. I haven't been able to get a new benchmark yet because I've been so busy lately.


Hey Fenix90 that is a nice 3DMark06 score in your siggy:eeek2:

[DrewB]

How would the 3dmark06 score differ if I were to upgrade to the next highest i7 processor? And does a 5400rpm hdd make a difference (I mean noticeable difference).

This is up for anyone to answer! =D

[powerpack]

How would the 3dmark06 score differ if I were to upgrade to the next highest i7 processor? And does a 5400rpm hdd make a difference (I mean noticeable difference).

This is up for anyone to answer! =DI have posted in the past. I have a 3DMark calculator so that would give an idea what it mattered if we assumed CPU upgrade. PM me if you actually want the calculator. I will get it to you if you want.

5400 HDD makes zero difference in 3DMark benches. It is isolated. And other than loading between scenes means nothingin real games. The HDD is simply put way to slow to function in real time with games.;):)

[Woody]

Obviously I agree with what you said about hard drive effect on gaming scores but I wanted to add that someone may consider load times to be a real and tangible factor in overall gameplay experience even if it has nothing to do with frame rates once the levels are actually loaded.

As far as the CPU upgrade goes...it probably won't make any significant difference except at lower resolutions. Since you will probably play games at native resolution when possible you will be graphics card limited and increasing CPU power beyond the minimum option will have no effect on game performance with this computer. If you run games at lower than native resolution (such as the default resolution that 3DMark runs at) you will likely see a greater effect on performance by running a faster CPU.

My 9262 has only a single 9800M GT card with a 3.16GHz desktop processor so I'm almost always graphics card limited in the latest games so I end up running at a lower resolution (usually 1600x900) to allow the CPU power to balance the graphics card power. In this configuration I can get very smooth frame rates at maximum settings in pretty much anything but I sacrifice some visual quality by running out of native on an LCD display. Still, 1600x900 is a pretty good resolution and the WUXGA screen on the Sager handles scaling very well and it looks better than reducing game quality at higher resolution.

The 9280 with the base CPU should have enough power to play pretty much anything currently released at native resolution at high settings.

[HeavenCry]

To clarify how much difference a cpu makes at 3dmark06 and in games:
I had a M17/Ocz whitebook (now sold) that came with dual 3870, 4gb ram and p8400 (2,2ghz dual core)..
And the 3dmark score for that was a bit under 11000. When i swapped it to a qx9300 (2,5ghhz quad core) i got a score over 13000. And when overclocked via multiplier in bios to 3ghz i got 16000 points.

And gaming.. it made almost no difference.. except for gta which is very cpu reliant (a very noticable difference there).. even crysis which is said to be cpu reliant only went up 2-3fps..

[DrewB]

To clarify how much difference a cpu makes at 3dmark06 and in games:
I had a M17/Ocz whitebook (now sold) that came with dual 3870, 4gb ram and p8400 (2,2ghz dual core)..
And the 3dmark score for that was a bit under 11000. When i swapped it to a qx9300 (2,5ghhz quad core) i got a score over 13000. And when overclocked via multiplier in bios to 3ghz i got 16000 points.

And gaming.. it made almost no difference.. except for gta which is very cpu reliant (a very noticable difference there).. even crysis which is said to be cpu reliant only went up 2-3fps..

You OC'd it .5ghz? Is that safe with standard cooling in the whitebook?

[HeavenCry]

You OC'd it .5ghz? Is that safe with standard cooling in the whitebook?

Yes its safe to go to 3,2 even.. the temps never went over 80C on neither the cpu or gpus.. it wouldnt boot with a higher oc anyway since it didnt get enough voltage to the cpu.. but the whitebook/m17 has voltage drop issues with quads which cause stuttering (all quads oc or no oc - i had a q9000, q9100 and qx9300 and all stuttered but no dual core).. and its really annoying.. i almost threw it trough the window on several occasions when it stuttered during gaming.. thats why i also sold the system..
I bought a Clevo D900F now (i7-950, 6gb 1333mhz, gtx 280m, raid5 7200rpm). Im getting it next week.

[fallenxlionheart]

your getting yours next week? when did you order yours

[DrewB]

Yes its safe to go to 3,2 even.. the temps never went over 80C on neither the cpu or gpus.. it wouldnt boot with a higher oc anyway since it didnt get enough voltage to the cpu.. but the whitebook/m17 has voltage drop issues with quads which cause stuttering (all quads oc or no oc - i had a q9000, q9100 and qx9300 and all stuttered but no dual core).. and its really annoying.. i almost threw it trough the window on several occasions when it stuttered during gaming.. thats why i also sold the system..
I bought a Clevo D900F now (i7-950, 6gb 1333mhz, gtx 280m, raid5 7200rpm). Im getting it next week.

Stuttering? Well, we can't have that now can we! :D

[fallenxlionheart]

what a silly m17... lol....dont stutter

[DrewB]

Well, I might get the x9100 (c2d extreme 3.06ghz) and oc that to 4ghz ^^

[fallenxlionheart]

are you getting the m17 drewb

[HeavenCry]

DrewB: You cant oc a X9100 to 4ghz. Max with multiplier bios oc is 3,3ghz.. some people got to 3,5ghz with upping the fsb on top of that for benching reasons but its unstable. You havent really done any real ocing in a laptop have you..?
And id advise against going with the M17 if you want it for gaming (i presume you want exactly that).. You cant have a quad working in there, the crossfire 3870s are powerfull but not so much (as the 4870s - acutaly 4850s) and aw tech support and customer service are horrible.
Id suggest - best bang for the buck if you want max graphics power for gaming: the asus W90.. it even beats the new "allpowerful" with a qx9300 and sli gtx 280m in benchmarks (theyre on nbr forums if you want to take a look at them). So the new sli 280m setup does not justify its price..
The asus is relatively cheap for what you get.. id get the following options:
ASUS W90VP-A1 - PRE ORDER

18.4" FHD WUXGA Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Dual Lamp Screen (1920x1080)
The display has a nice resolution, perfect for hd viewing and gaming.
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU ( + 45 )
This is a no-brainer.. a good thermal compound makes a difference and its not expensive. Have it done before so you dont bother with temps and this later.
ASUS Zero Bright Dot (ZBD) 30 Day Pixel Guarantee
Dont really think you need a 1 year guarantee.. never had a dead/bright pixel show up in a few years myself so i never get it.
Intel® Q9000 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Quad 2.0GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB - Default
This cpu is extremely cheap considering its a quad core, and it can oc easily to 2,7ghz on this laptop so its more than enough for any game.
This laptop has no bios overclocking so getting an extreme chip would be stupid. It has a software oc that raises the fsb which is good even if you know nothing of ocing since its as easy as hitting a button (and that oc is already enough). However achieving 2,7ghz will require a bit of tinkering with setfsb which does need a bit of knowledge - but anything over the default oc is overkill since no game except gta profits from anything over 2,2ghz. People (like me) usually only do it for benchmarking reasons.
CROSSFIRE DUAL ATI HD4870's 512MB (1,024MB Total) PCI-Express DDR3 DX10
Now i have to state here, since most people are unaware of this: these are actually dual 4850s in crossfire - they have 1gb ddr3 not 1gb ddr5 as asus stated they would before production started, but for some reason they still call them 4870s. Marketing i guess. However they are still the most powerfull gpu solution so far and far cheaper than nvidia! And about the cooling: each gpu has a seperate heatsink so no worries there!
No External Video Adapter
Dont need it.. at least i dont..
6,144MB (Corsair, Kingston, Major Brand) DDR2 800MHz Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize 4GB+)
More than enough for any purpose, however i would buy myself 3 new 1066mhz ddr2 sodimms and change them myself after i get the notebook to achieve its full potential, since the cpu runs at 1066mhz fsb and the ram makes it "downclock" to 800mhz. Thats if you know how to do it yourself.. its really simple though - just open it up, pop the three old ones out and the new ones in. Not to get anyone starting to rant, i know its a realy minor performance increase, but i like to see everything being used to its fullest. This is just me though.. this is really not important.. the ram you get is good as it is already..
Standard Finish
This is up to you if you want your lappy painted.. but its not cheap..
2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
Blue-Ray is always a good bonus.. Buy yourself a burner once they get cheaper and install it yourself or have it installed if you dont know how..
320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default Hard Drive
320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default Hard Drive
These are great hard drives - enough space (640gb) and fast (7200rpm).
Put them in Raid0 and see the speed.
I had the exact same setup in my M17.
No Back Up Hard Drive
Dont need it. Up to you again.
No Floppy Drive
Whats a floppy again? Oh yeah that relic. Dont need that either.
Internal 8-in-1 Card Reader: MMC/SD/Mini-SD/XD/Memory Stick/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo
I never even use this. Dont care if its there though. Wont hurt right?
Internal Bluetooth + EDR
Not a bad thing to have.. comes to use once in a while.
Built-in 802.11 Wireless A/B/G/N
Now we need that.. cant live without internet now can we?
No Network Accessory
If you dont have one go ahead and get the linksys wireless router.. i have one and it performs great (i also flashed mine with custom firmware to get more out of it - these units are really great for it if you know how to do it).
No TV Tuner
This is up to you again.. i just dont feel i need one.. got a tv for that and i rarely watch it..
Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
Up to you.. but i never felt the need to get this upgraded either..
Asus G Series Matching Backpack made by Targus
If i gotta have one included in price, fine.. give it to me.. i wont complain.
Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
Dont really think i need a spare. I can get it later if i need to.
No Car Adapter
I dont use it in a car. Im too busy driving.
No spare AC adapter.
Never had one that would stop working.
No Dock/Hub/Adapter
I think i have enough ports to work with here.
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
Dont use it but i dont care if i really must have it.
Asus G Series Matching Logitech Mouse
One less thing to buy later like the bag.
Full Size Black Aluminum Notebook Cooler - Dual Fans - USB Powered (For up to 17" Laptops) ( + 69 )
Now id get this one.. its not like the fans help, but rather just the fact the notebook is elevated on it. Especially if you use it on your lap, this way you wont block the fan exhausts.
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's - Standard
It will do.. but i really am only using Windows 7 now.. its tons better than vista.. never liked vista really.
No Office Software
No Software Bundle
2 Year ASUS GLOBAL Warranty, 24/7 Support, 1 Year Accidental Coverage & 2-Way Pre-Paid Overnight Shipping for Repairs (N.A. Accidental Requires Registration w/ ASUS)
Now this is a great deal. Ill take it.
Regular Price (?) (http://www.xoticpc.com/info_pages.php/pages_id/14)
$2533.00
Cash Discount (?) (http://www.xoticpc.com/info_pages.php/pages_id/14)
-$75.99
Cash Discounted Price
$2457.01
This is my suggestion.. i really fell this is the best gaming system at the moment out there and cheap for it on top.. its your choice though..
If you want more of a workstation rig that still had a good gaming potential get what im getting.. The Sager NP9280. I think i dont have to elaborate on that one and ive had enough writing so i wont post up a config for that one.

[fallenxlionheart]

good config...but what about the 9850

[DrewB]

Thanks for putting that together for me, and the w90 is awesome in many aspects, its just so frickin big! =(

And the x9100 is overclockable to 4ghz, probably not stable, but possible. Also, my m17 configuration is much cheaper, and it has been rumored (and pretty much confirmed by AW) that 4850s will be available for the m17 in the near future.

The only other reason I'd favor the m17 over something like the np9280 or w90 is the fan noise. I assume that the fans cooling the i7 (9280, the dual 4870s in the w90) will be very loud, and not very classroom friendly, unless someone can CONFIRM me otherwise (any type of reliable source).

If I got the np9280, would it be worth the upgrade from the i7 920 to a 950 or 975? I hear those higher 2 stay cooler than the 920, is that true? Would that also mean equal or less fan noise?

[syfer]

Hi which is beter the SAGER NP9850 or SAGER NP9280?????????????????
I am a 3d modeler amd what to know as the SAGER NP9850only had graphics card 2gb but processer is not as good as the SAGER NP9280 as the it has i7 but the SAGER NP9280only comes with graphics card 1gb so which is the best for a 3d modeler?
so which is best the SAGER NP9850 or SAGER NP9280?????????????????

[DrewB]

Dude, chillax.

The np9280 has a better processor, obviously, and is great for 3d modeling.

The 9850 has dual graphics, ideal for hardcore gaming, but lacks in processing power.

I would say go with the 9280.

[syfer]

Do you think will the The np9280 graphics card can be uprdaed to a DirectX 11 comes out for windows 7?

[syfer]

Also is the The np9280 good for gaming as the 9850is?????????

[syfer]

Hi Notebook Guru which is best Processor for SAGER NP9850

Processor

~Intel® P8700 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.53GHz w/3MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
~Intel® P8700 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.53GHz w/3MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
~Intel® P8800 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.66GHz w/3MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt ( + 55 )
~Intel® T9600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.8GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt ( + 130 )
~Intel® Q9000 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Quad 2.0GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB ( + 165 )
~Intel® P9700 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.8GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt ( + 165 )
~Intel® T9900 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 3.06GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt ( + 355 )
~Intel® X9100 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo Extreme 3.06GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB ( + 715 )
~Intel® Q9100 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Quad 2.26GHz w/12MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB ( + 715 )
~Intel® QX9300 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Quad 2.53GHz w/12MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB ( + 915 )
which one is the best???????? I was thinking of Intel® T9900 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 3.06GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt ( + 355 ) but i am wright? Notebook Guru dou you know of any laptops that have i7 with two graphic cards?????? As i am looking for laptops that have i7 with two graphic cards???????? As I know that rendering will take less time with two graphic cards thats why I think that it would be better to get SAGER NP9850 or am I wrong about rendering?

[DrewB]

Lol, I'm not Notebook Guru, but keep calling me that! I like it! xD

As of now, there are no i7, dual graphics notebooks on the market. If your choosing a processor for graphic design, I'd go with the highest quad core you can afford (the 2.0ghz, 2.26 or 2.53, the 2.53ghz being the best.) You would benefit a lot from dual graphics AND a quad core cpu.

I hope you make the right purchase! ;)

edit: That core2duo you mentioned is also a great processor, but obviously, a multithread program that uses more than 2 cores will benefit much more from a quad core processor, although most games on the market do not have quad core support, so they only use the necessary amount needed. Graphic design programs do utilize all 4 cores, aswell as a few games (gta4).

[R3v0luti0nary]

First post here...

I'm seriously considering getting this laptop soon for when I start IT training again and fell in love with the specs before I even saw it was about as attractive as an IBM thinkpad. My eye said "get an Alienware" and then my head said "CORE i7 Dummy!!" So thats what it came down to...But classes are soon so I dont have time to wait for the new M17x (a great machine but not as nice as these specs) I think I'm going to stick with the 2.66ghz processor and upgrade to 6gb of RAM because I simply cant afford the 3.33ghz with 6gb of 1333 as appealing as that sounds...I think 1066 is pleanty fast. I'm going to be using it to run multiple opperating systems at the same time with many task intensive procedures which Is why I'm not concerned about not having SLI as gaming wont be a big thing for me. Its basically going to be used more as a desktop than a laptop which is why the size and heat arent going to be a huge deal for me although from past experiences I still think its best to get a notebook cooler and likely an extra battery for long plane rides.

I know the machine is very new but I still havent heard much press about it both good or bad and was just curious if anyone could share their experience with the machine and their thoughts. That would be very helpful (although I am 90% sure I'm going to get it, you can never do enough homework when your spending close to 3k on a "laptop")

The only other thing I would like some input on is RAID. I havent quite made up my mind yet as to whether or not to get one big drive or two smaller drives...RAID is very important to me from a desktop point of view (I have RAID 5 currently) but its for fault tolerance purposes and not so much for performance. I'm wondering if fault tolerance makes sense in a laptop (i mean if you drop it, I guess it increases your chances of not loosing data?) Or would it make more sense to use RAID 0 because performance is more important (after all I have an external for backup) But then this raises the question that is always a concern of mine, heat....from the pictures the computer seems to have 3 nice HDD cooling blocks but is it really adequate cooling? or am I just increasing my chances of burning out a drive to see a slight increase in performance. I mean is having a striped RAID really increasing performance enough to justify it? They are only 7,200RPM. Right now my desktop has 3 10kl RPM Raptor drives and the seek time is great. I may be over thinking things but like I siad I like to think of all the possibilites before I make such a big purchase.

Any questions or comments would be much appreciated!

~r3v

[fallenxlionheart]

Thanks for putting that together for me, and the w90 is awesome in many aspects, its just so frickin big! =(

And the x9100 is overclockable to 4ghz, probably not stable, but possible. Also, my m17 configuration is much cheaper, and it has been rumored (and pretty much confirmed by AW) that 4850s will be available for the m17 in the near future.

The only other reason I'd favor the m17 over something like the np9280 or w90 is the fan noise. I assume that the fans cooling the i7 (9280, the dual 4870s in the w90) will be very loud, and not very classroom friendly, unless someone can CONFIRM me otherwise (any type of reliable source).

If I got the np9280, would it be worth the upgrade from the i7 920 to a 950 or 975? I hear those higher 2 stay cooler than the 920, is that true? Would that also mean equal or less fan noise?

first off...ive heard that the fan noise is oddly quiet on the 9280...which is odd...i also know for a fact that the 950 and 975 on average stay cooler than the 920...though i do not know whether the fan noise would be increased by the higher clock speed (i doubt it considering higher temps would mean the fans would have to run harder) though having the 4870s in sli is nice.... i happen to favor a single powerful card...though thats just me

[HeavenCry]

Thanks for putting that together for me, and the w90 is awesome in many aspects, its just so frickin big! =(

And the x9100 is overclockable to 4ghz, probably not stable, but possible. Also, my m17 configuration is much cheaper, and it has been rumored (and pretty much confirmed by AW) that 4850s will be available for the m17 in the near future.

The only other reason I'd favor the m17 over something like the np9280 or w90 is the fan noise. I assume that the fans cooling the i7 (9280, the dual 4870s in the w90) will be very loud, and not very classroom friendly, unless someone can CONFIRM me otherwise (any type of reliable source).

If I got the np9280, would it be worth the upgrade from the i7 920 to a 950 or 975? I hear those higher 2 stay cooler than the 920, is that true? Would that also mean equal or less fan noise?

In theory, the multipliers are there but it will never even boot at that multi.. it cant be done.. NOONE got over 3,3 stable yet.. and a lot of ppl on nbr have tried (on M17 or the Clevos).
And the W90 isnt so much bigger.. I had the M17 and its not a clasic 17" notebook.. it doesnt fit into any 17" bag.. i had to buy a 18,4" notebook bag to fit it in just so you get a feeling.. i also held a w90.. its just a tad bigger.. no real difference there..

The fan noise? This one just made me laugh. The M17 is one of the loudest notebooks you can get. I qoute from Achernar on NBR:
"So I have finally got my hands on Mike's M17... However, the fans are incredibly loud! Is there anything which can be done in this department? e.g. change the thresholds at which they spin up to something higher, but without it risking damaging the comp?"
Go to NBR forums yourself and ask if you dont believe it. Both fans are freaking loud.

It has been rumored yes, and three members on nbr already got them ordered and AW cancelled their order and explained they will not be available on the M17. Thats prolly becouse theyll have em on the M17x as their top model. Dont expect any upgrade there.

I took the i7-950 since the extreme just seamed overpriced and the i7-920 too weak.. but i dont think they are cooler (doesnt make sense) but i cant confirm that.


Your choice, i wont advise any more now, since i think i covered all of it now.

[syfer]

I an stuck I cant deside which laptop to go for as a gamer and 3d modeler I am stuck my option is SAGER NP9850 or SAGER NP9280 I am stuck.

[fallenxlionheart]

syfer...all i gotta say is...i believe no matter which one of those you pick you would be in GREAT shape

[HeavenCry]

I an stuck I cant deside which laptop to go for as a gamer and 3d modeler I am stuck my option is SAGER NP9850 or SAGER NP9280 I am stuck.

In your case id go for the np9820 over the np9850.. if youre not playing games (this rig is still more than capable of playing any game you want) youll definetely have more advantage with the powerfull i7 desktop cpus for 3d modeling..

[DrewB]

well, I'm looking more into the w90. Thanks for all the help!

[HeavenCry]

Do you think will the The np9280 graphics card can be uprdaed to a DirectX 11 comes out for windows 7?

The current gpu (gtx 280m) does not support and will not support directx 11.
But if the future cards that do support directx 11 are MXM 3.0b you can buy one later and swap it with the 280m.

[fallenxlionheart]

the 9280 and 9850 are both beautiful machines...i wish i could have both

[Hanzo]

the 9280 and 9850 are both beautiful machines...i wish i could have both

You should've just gone for the 9850.

[fallenxlionheart]

i perfer the 9280...i want the i7

[R3v0luti0nary]

I cant help but wonder how long the shipping on something like this would take? I need it by July 6th...Cant help but wonder if this creates a problem?

[fallenxlionheart]

ive been waiting for about forever....i would think it would have shipped by now...but patience is a virtue...

[wadwad214]

yep patience is a virtue. kinda pissed coz i don't qualify for upgrade for win 7. =( now i'm stuck with windows vista. =((

[emc_2]

yep patience is a virtue. kinda pissed coz i don't qualify for upgrade for win 7. =( now i'm stuck with windows vista. =((

Me is so happy that I didn't order yet:wink2:

[R3v0luti0nary]

I'll contact a sales rep. tomorrow and see what the shipping would take on something like this. As far as I know there is no limit on the credit card so I'm hoping I wont run into any billing issues...I'd hate to have shipping deter me from ordering the machine!

[fallenxlionheart]

when did you get your machine

EDIT: NVM wrong thread...im super tired so im messing up a little

[syfer]

How good is the ASUS W90VP-A1 compare to the SAGER NP9280?
http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=3883

[R3v0luti0nary]

Looks like a nice notebook, but I still prefer the i7 over almost any processor! I guess it just depends on your preference as well. I just ordered the NP9280 yesterday and I cant wait for it to get here!! I'm hoping the extra cost for the 3day shipping is actually worth it...

Products 1x Sager NP9280 (Built on Clevo D900F) Ultimate Custom Laptop
- Display: 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Cl
- Arctic Silver: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Dead Pixel Policy: Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Processor: Intel Core i7 Quad (Nehalem) 950
- Video Card: nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB
- External Graphics Card: No External Graphics Card
- External Monitor Video Adapter: No Video Adapter
- Ram: ~ 6,144MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (3
- Exterior Finish: Standard Finish
- Optical Drive: ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +
- Primary Hard Drive: ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 3
- Secondary Hard Drive: None Standard -
- Third Hard Drive: None Standard -
- Raid: HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- External Hard Drive (Back Up): No Back Up Hard Drive
- Floppy Drive: No Floppy Drive
- Memory Card Reader: Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/
- Bluetooth: Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Wireless Network: Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 530
- Wireless Network Accessories: No Network Accessory
- Camera: Integrated Digital Video Camera
- TV Tuner: No TV Tuner
- Sound Card: Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audi
- Case: Basic Black Business Case - Incl
- Battery: Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- Spare AC Adapter: None Standard*
- Port Replicator / Dock / Adapter: No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Fingerprint Reader: No Fingerprint Reader
- Mouse / Keyboard Accessories: No External Keyboard or Mouse
- Notebook Cooler: No Notebook Cooler
- Operating System: None Standard - Drivers & Utilit
- Microsoft Office Software (Media: No Office Software
- Software Bundle (Not Installed): No Software Bundle
- Warranty: 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warra

[fallenxlionheart]

you may be waiting a little bit...there are quite a lot of people in line it seems

[syfer]

I can not decide My option are ASUS W90VP-A1 or Sager NP9280 or Sager NP9850
But I do want to upgrade to windows 7 when it comes out as well I just cant decide...... I need help if I could own then all lol. Any own know from ASUS W90VP-A1 or Sager NP9280 or Sager NP9850 which machine will be spport windows 7????????

[fallenxlionheart]

all of them

[syfer]

Hi see the blur ray drive this one 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
is it blue ray burner?????????? or is this a blue ray reader???????????????

[syfer]

Hi what laptop are you talking about??????????????

yep patience is a virtue. kinda pissed coz i don't qualify for upgrade for win 7. =( now i'm stuck with windows vista. =((

[wadwad214]

Hi what laptop are you talking about??????????????

im talking about sager 9280. i'm not getting the free upgrade because i got my laptop like june 3, almost a month ago. if i only knew i should have ordered it like june 15 or maybe its better if i waited for sager 9850. =(

[fallenxlionheart]

or waited to order the 9280

[syfer]

ASUS W90VP-A1 has 15000 score of 3dmark 6 that amzing considering the size of it does any one know when its coming out?

[syfer]

I wonder what wold the 3dmark for SAGER NP9850 does any one know yet?

[wadwad214]

thanks for the correction. :smile2:

what? 15000 3dmark06 on ASUS W90vp? i got 13565 if i remember correctly on my machine, thats just one 280m. i think its better if you wait for the 9850 if you'll buy a laptop for gaming.

[elmokajaky]

NP9280 or NP9850... I'd get the NP9850 in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the lower screen resolution. Why add another 280M card if you're going to reduce the screen resolution from the perfect 1920x1200 to the lame 1920x1080? Or is there some way to get a NP9850 with a 1920x1200 screen?

[syfer]

I am buying a laptop for 3d modeling and gaming

[fallenxlionheart]

np9280 ...

[elmokajaky]

I am buying a laptop for 3d modeling and gaming

I want mine for gaming and document work (MS Office etc.), with some 3d modeling on the side...hate the idea of giving up some screen space though (1080 instead of 1200)...but the SLI is so tempting...

Bah, neither laptop is the perfect choice!

[syfer]

well the SAGER NP9850 or SAGER NP9280 are good laptops but as you said the screen size is diffrent why i dont know but ither way you pay for wat you get i prefer i i7 but wish the i7 had two NVIDIAgeforce 280m but they only have one but as always it up to my secand option was the SAGER NP9850 but i dont think screen size wood mater that much....

[fallenxlionheart]

the screen size would only bother u much if the 2 were side by side

[syfer]

The alienware laoptop for the uk are shit compare to the us verion it such a shame as uk always get the shit computer thats why for the same spec the SAGER NP9280 is beter you get i7 proceser and the 1 gb or grapic card I hate living in the uk as the tec never comes here its always last to get anything.

[fallenxlionheart]

That is unfortunate that they do not give the uk the same oppurtunities for tech as the us..

[syfer]

How do I upgrade the graphics card to nvidia direct 11??????? Can i buy a laptop graphics card ayware?????????? Just thought I will ask.

[syfer]

or can i buy desktop graphics card and fit it in the laptop?

[fallenxlionheart]

well...as for buying a graphics card...when win 7 comes out it should be no problem to upgrade to a new "mobile" graphics card

[syfer]

how do i upgrade do i buy it from a shop or reqest it from xoticpc as i live in the uk.

[fallenxlionheart]

well their may be stores in your area that sell graphics cards but they may not be exactly what your looking for...you may be better off ordering from newegg or xotic (probbably xotic as they will help you with compatibillity of the card with your machine)

[syfer]

Hi this what xoticpc said about graphics cards upgrade
"User Upgradeable" Video
When you see a label such as this listed after some of our Video Cards it means the system can be upgraded by the end user to different cards that are being offered with the system providing these alternate video card choices. This also means the video card is not soldered onto the system board and can be physically removed by the user at a later time. Video Cards that are not soldered on the system are normally utilizing nVidia's MXM Technology. For more info on nVidia MXM please go here.

This term does not mean a user will have the ability to upgrade to a newly released card but rather any of the current offered video cards.
I gess then you can not uprade your grapics cad then?

[syfer]

Hi this what xoticpc said about graphics cards upgrade
"User Upgradeable" Video
When you see a label such as this listed after some of our Video Cards it means the system can be upgraded by the end user to different cards that are being offered with the system providing these alternate video card choices. This also means the video card is not soldered onto the system board and can be physically removed by the user at a later time. Video Cards that are not soldered on the system are normally utilizing nVidia's MXM Technology. For more info on nVidia MXM please go here.
http://www.mxm-sig.org/

This term does not mean a user will have the ability to upgrade to a newly released card but rather any of the current offered video cards.
I gess then you can not uprade your grapics cad then?
Also check out this
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3870-X2.14242.0.html
Radeon-HD-3870-X2 is much beter than the nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB DDR3 DX10 who would of thought.

[elmokajaky]

I'm just sad there's no dual-280M SLI version with a 1920x1200 screen. Alienware offers this...I wonder why Sager doesn't?

[fallenxlionheart]

just got my 9280..great build quality...super fast...heat is minumum...fans arent loud at all.... its just amazing..just wish i had xp... oh well

[DrewB]

just got my 9280..great build quality...super fast...heat is minumum...fans arent loud at all.... its just amazing..just wish i had xp... oh well

Awesome man! I'm glad to hear the fans aren't loud. Could you possibly make a video review with A LOT of angles? :D

Congrats on your purchase, again!

[fallenxlionheart]

thanks for the support Drewb and ive got an unboxing vid so far...im thinking i might do an overall review video... so of course lots of angles....man this thing is huge...but deffinetly amazing ill have both vids up hopefully by wendsday and then ill post a link to the vid

[DrewB]

thanks for the support Drewb and ive got an unboxing vid so far...im thinking i might do an overall review video... so of course lots of angles....man this thing is huge...but deffinetly amazing ill have both vids up hopefully by wendsday and then ill post a link to the vid

Awesome man! :notworthy

I'll be waiting! :)

[syfer]

Hi can some one tell me for 3d modeling which proceser sould I go with the:
Intel Core i7 Quad (Nehalem) 950 3.06GHz 8MB Cache 130W $300
Intel Core i7 Quad Extreme (Nehalem) 975 3.33GHz 8MB Cache 130W $785
also how can DX10 take advange of DX11 when it was made for DX10 as i would think that DX10 was made for DX10 and not DX11
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/page/geforce_m_series.html

[fallenxlionheart]

i heard DX11 wont be dependent on hardware

[syfer]

So does that mean the the nVidia GeForce GTX 280M will work just as if you had a DX11 card?
Also can some one tell me for 3d modeling which processor sould I go with the:
Intel Core i7 Quad (Nehalem) 950 3.06GHz 8MB Cache 130W $300
Intel Core i7 Quad Extreme (Nehalem) 975 3.33GHz 8MB Cache 130W $785
?????????????????????

[fallenxlionheart]

well if the statement is true then yes...it will be like having a card designed for dx 11

if you want a good price i say get the 950 since im sure it will be enough power for you

but if you have the money to throw down then go ahead and get the 975

[DrewB]

Hey man.. So.. Its thursday! haha.. and uh.. ya know...

WHERE

[DrewB]

Hey man.. So.. Its thursday! haha.. and uh.. ya know...

WHERE DA FUCK ARE THE VIDZZZ!??!?!

Sorry man.. The anxiety is killing me.. and apparently giving me mood swings..

:)

[Hanzo]

Hey man.. So.. Its thursday! haha.. and uh.. ya know...

WHERE DA FUCK ARE THE VIDZZZ!??!?!

Sorry man.. The anxiety is killing me.. and apparently giving me mood swings..

:)

Did you order a NP9280 also, or did you stick to the Asus?

[DrewB]

Did you order a NP9280 also, or did you stick to the Asus?

I stuck with the 'shitty economy excuse.'

I don't have a job, and probably won't for another month (hopefully less), but I am aiming for the np9280 with the i7 920.

[syfer]

Hi I need your help will the np9280 fit this Eagle Glider Aluminium Pilot Case with Laptop Compartment & Trolley
http://www.shopeezee.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=SE-EAGLE-49012
External Dimensions: 46 x 38 x 23cm
Internal Dimensions: 44 x 33 x 17cm
Fits laptops up to: 42 x 32 x 6cm
????????????????????????????????????????????

[fallenxlionheart]

Dude i am SUPER SORRY about not having the vids up yet...vids are done but actually getting them uploaded i havent got around to yet...sorry... ill do my best and hopefully get them up today...Just been really busy at work latley (liar i just cant stop playing with my toy lol) ill put a link up when i got it...sorry again

[fallenxlionheart]

I stuck with the 'shitty economy excuse.'

I don't have a job, and probably won't for another month (hopefully less), but I am aiming for the np9280 with the i7 920.

If you get the 9280 u wont be dissapointed

[syfer]

i gays i need your help i dont think i have money to buy the
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi ExpressCard 24-bit Sound Card ( + 119 )
so will the Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Includedis is that good for games and movies or should i go for Sound Blaster X-Fi go????? Need your help

[youvi]

Hi!

This is my first post here and I would like to apologize for my poor english.

Like syfer i'm looking for a "desktop replacement", who gives a good compromise between game and 3D work. I'm bored to move all my pc's stuff (tower+screen+...) every week-end, when I go to see my family ^^.

I didn't know very much about laptop at the start, but read a lot on internet. I didn't know Sager/Clevo but the specs I've seen, were really interesting. I'm constantly looking on the web customer's feedbacks about this company because it's really first time I hear about them. At this level of price I prefer to be sure.Are you satisfied of your Sager 9280 for now ?

First I had ordered an Asus W90VP-A1 but the order was cancelled by Asus himself oO. (Too many RMA and problems with the dual 4870 ? Dunno)

Now I'm really interested by the Sager 9280.

If I can say a few things to syfer for my gfx experience:

- This config is good for videogames but not the top compared to the 9850 with GTX280M SLI or ASUS W90 with 4870CF. But it's really good enough for a lot of actual games. Some websites compare performances of a GTX280M +- equivalent to a card between 9800gt and 9800gtx desktop card. Really good in fact for a mobile graphic chipset.

- Directx 11 is not out for now except for the Windows Seven RC. But I don't think applications or games shall use it soon. For now directx 9.0c/10 is still fine. For 3D Application as 3dsmax, directx 9.0c is good enough I think. (first native cards shall be for end of year with the nvidia gt3xx and ATI 58xx)

- For the 3d applications, like max, maya, softimage etc... core i7 family has nothing to compare in 3D rendering (for public market of course... I don't speak about xeon procs etc)
The basic one i7 920 is around 30% time faster than my Q6600 desktop processor. And when you use 3d program, 2 x gpus is a little bit useless for the rendering (except if you go on nvidia quadro fx cards).

- An other point is the quantity of ram. I dunno if you want to work on high resolutions 3D or low resolution 3D(videogame). But, in a lot of cases, 3d programs are RAM eaters. My desktop has 8gb of ram (3gb used by vista 64 ><) and sometime when I render high quality images in 3dsmax with mental ray, I receive an error message "not enough free memory" ><.
If you use zbrush or mudbox too, memory shall be more important than processor (10Mpolys for one object high res). And the same for painter or photoshop if your work on high 2d resolutions images. Maybe it's better to have i7 920/950 with 12GB of ram in place of i7 970 with 6gb of ram.

Personnaly because of a limited (but big enough) budget, I'll probably go for a Sager 9280 with i7 920 (strong enough for my 3D and my video games), 6gb of ram (4gb sodimm are too expensive for now... I 'll can upgrade later, when the price shall be better) with single gtx280M. It shall be more than enough to run 3dsmax and zbrush for what I want to do. And more than enough to run Aion - MMO who shall issue in september.

Hope these infos shall help you syfer!

[DrewB]

Dude i am SUPER SORRY about not having the vids up yet...vids are done but actually getting them uploaded i havent got around to yet...sorry... ill do my best and hopefully get them up today...Just been really busy at work latley (liar i just cant stop playing with my toy lol) ill put a link up when i got it...sorry again

Are you still going to upload the vids sometime? :biggrin:

[RetSamX]

omg the NP9262 is little better yet
-2x9800m gtx sli
-Q6650 3GHz 12M
-no overclocking
-Vista 64 SP2
-186.03 driver

score NP9280 (13288)
NP9262 (15298)
SM 2.0 Score 6438
SM 3.0 Score 6850
CPU Score 4227

[DrewB]

omg the NP9262 is little better yet
-2x9800m gtx sli
-Q6650 3GHz 12M
-no overclocking
-Vista 64 SP2
-186.03 driver

score NP9280 (13288)
NP9262 (15298)
SM 2.0 Score 6438
SM 3.0 Score 6850
CPU Score 4227

I'd get the 9262 if I could, but I'll have to accept the BEAST I7 PROCESSOR RRAAAWWWRRR!!!

:wideeyed:

[RetSamX]

A good option is NP9850 wich has 2000 over 9262 Benchmark ranking (280m sli), but It does not have i7 (quad 2 core are expensive and no 3Ghz 12M), and 18.4" is huge. When this computer will have i7, It will be an exellent option to buy.

[Maverik1666]

A good option is NP9850 wich has 2000 over 9262 Benchmark ranking (280m sli), but It does not have i7 (quad 2 core are expensive and no 3Ghz 12M), and 18.4" is huge. When this computer will have i7, It will be an exellent option to buy.

I don't see it having an i7. The laptop will run hot already, and adding an i7 will be throwing gasoline into the fire. Maybe in the future this will be possible, but not for the 9850. Regardless, that's the one I plan on buying.

[syfer]

then i gess you will be waiting for some time i dont see them making a i7 with 2 nvidia graphics card the power to run that will be hard and it wont last that long if it did you might not get 1 hour max.

I don't see it having an i7. The laptop will run hot already, and adding an i7 will be throwing gasoline into the fire. Maybe in the future this will be possible, but not for the 9850. Regardless, that's the one I plan on buying.

[Maverik1666]

You could get it in a desktop though. The only problem with that is...It's a desktop.

[NasGhost]

A good option is NP9850 wich has 2000 over 9262 Benchmark ranking (280m sli), but It does not have i7 (quad 2 core are expensive and no 3Ghz 12M), and 18.4" is huge. When this computer will have i7, It will be an exellent option to buy.
Im with maverik; it will never have an i7, unless you mean when its refreshed and give the mobile i7. That is feasible ( Calpella that is ), but the desktop i7 is not. With a TDP of almost 3x that of the hottest mobile processor, as well as having to cool two GTX 280ms which have a TDP of 75W each, even the NP9850 would meet its match.

[fallenxlionheart]

its nice to dream though

[lovely09]

Same here.I guess i need to add more savings to have that stuff.It's worthy to buy and hopefully still available on december.

[Manalith]

Hmm just got one of these still in the mail. I'm just wondering if it will blow up with so much heat under the hood, oh well it will be fun.

just waiting for the new ocz ssd's to come out to raid 0 2x100MB vertex 2 :cool:

side note.... wish it had duel video even tho its still a beast and there isnt alot of room as it is tho i would sacrifice a hhd slot, heat... but still i can dream.