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KrunkShine
05-13-2009, 04:26 PM
Well I'm looking for a computer than can handle my gaming/Video editing abilities and also last me through college. I have 2000$ exactly at the moment, and have been particularly interest in two I have found here at xoticpc. I am not completely sure whats better in computers except that if it increases the price its better lol. But the two notebooks im looking at are the Sager NP75797 and the Asus G71G-Q2. Of course if I pick the sager I will upgrade it to around two grand. If you could please give me some suggestions on which is better and if its the sager in your opinion please tell me what to upgrade.

Thanks,
KrunkShine

Justin_W@XoticPC
05-13-2009, 05:30 PM
The Asus G71G-Q2 just went on backorder with Asus today and won't be available or in stock again for another 2-3 weeks. Additionally, the Sager np5797 is a much higher performance notebook in comparison to the Asus G71G model. The GTX 280m will easily outperform the 9800m GS video card. :)

KrunkShine
05-13-2009, 10:02 PM
The Asus G71G-Q2 just went on backorder with Asus today and won't be available or in stock again for another 2-3 weeks. Additionally, the Sager np5797 is a much higher performance notebook in comparison to the Asus G71G model. The GTX 280m will easily outperform the 9800m GS video card. :)

Thanks Justin, What should I upgrade in the Sager? without going over 2000?

powerpack
05-13-2009, 10:24 PM
Justin made the recommendation of the best. It is great. You will lose on HDD no way around. Can you lower resolution to WSXGA+ for screen. Only get 4GB RAM. And on the last you are not sacrificing performance 4GB is enough. If you want a Quad the 5797 is not the price point problem. It is at the top of your budget and depending on your choices can easily go over budget. But the best of the best and worth considering.

With your budget the MSI GT725-212 at $1550 w/Quad and WUXGA might fit budget better. Have a look. It has a better GPU than the Asus also.

I am not a fan of the Quads yet. That said that is not the issue with cost on the 5797 as only like $35 more than the CPU I like.

Too bad the Asus is back ordered but they do put a very nice package together for the price. But I will say for most 6GB of RAM and that much HDD space and not RAID is unnecessary or most.

Give some thought and post back. All have advantage and disadvantage. So I don't think all your questions have been answered so please post back. A lot to absorb for a major purchase. Good luck.

Justin_W@XoticPC
05-14-2009, 12:26 PM
Here's one possible configuration within your price range that will still give you really good performance.

Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540%7B76%7D1296%7B18 7%7D1757%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2422%7B88%7D2351%7B186 %7D1532%7B93%7D2431%7B193%7D657%7B112%7D2032%7B98% 7D1295%7B96%7D2434%7B168%7D1453%7B116%7D696%7B117% 7D705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2426%7B169%7D1449%7B119% 7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D689%7B106% 7D1696%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7 D1591%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D1889%7B113 %7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D714)
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® P8600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.40GHz w/3MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Sub-Total: $1,964.00

KrunkShine
05-14-2009, 03:58 PM
Here's one possible configuration within your price range that will still give you really good performance.

Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540%7B76%7D1296%7B18 7%7D1757%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2422%7B88%7D2351%7B186 %7D1532%7B93%7D2431%7B193%7D657%7B112%7D2032%7B98% 7D1295%7B96%7D2434%7B168%7D1453%7B116%7D696%7B117% 7D705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2426%7B169%7D1449%7B119% 7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D689%7B106% 7D1696%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7 D1591%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D1889%7B113 %7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D714)
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® P8600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.40GHz w/3MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Sub-Total: $1,964.00

Do you think that would last me around 3 years? and is that the best possible setup I could get here at xoticpc under 2000$ specs wise?

Thanks for the help Justin

Justin_W@XoticPC
05-14-2009, 04:06 PM
The machine itself will last as long as it still does what you need it to do. The thing that really puts computers out of date is gaming as technology is changing so fast. For a $2000 budget, the Sager 5797 would be your best choice. :)

KrunkShine
05-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Thanks alot Justin.

powerpack
05-14-2009, 08:34 PM
Krunk Justin did configure about the best at your price point. Point of note HDD has zero to do with real time game play. Only load time and the importance of that is opinion and preference. Sadly getting the base HDD only saves $35. Not enough to jump CPU 1 level ($55). Then we could discuss the importance of 153Mhz per core? Yea not much either for game play. But I would pick CPU over HDD for gaming. HDD is cheaper to upgrade later. Real world overall performance for most people HDD is more important.

KrunkShine
05-14-2009, 08:48 PM
Well would it be better to get a different Sager? Like a smaller screen size and n260m instead of 280? then I would be able to upgrade more. Opinions?

powerpack
05-14-2009, 08:59 PM
Well would it be better to get a different Sager? Like a smaller screen size and n260m instead of 280? then I would be able to upgrade more. Opinions?If you want gaming as a priority? No Justin configed the best for you. I would also say people go with the NP8262 because they want a 15.4 not to get better options. If you use applications that need more CPU then sure your suggestion is fine.

Gaming NP5797 is the best. In your budget Justin configed well. If you do other things or want other options? Tell us. NP8662 games well but will not ever be a NP5797. That is not a bad thing for some people.;)

KrunkShine
05-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Well gaming is my second priority. I will prob be video editing and using PS more than I will be actually gaming. Which would be better for that?
Thanks

Justin_W@XoticPC
05-14-2009, 09:14 PM
If you went with a 15.4" Sager 8662 notebook, then you could go with a faster CPU, but you'd be losing a decent amount of graphics performance and screen size.

Here's one 8662 configuration to consider. My vote would still be the Sager 5797 if you're most interested in a 17"

Sager NP8662 (Built on Clevo M860TU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8662-built-clevo-m860tu-first-week-p-2564.html)
- 15.4" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® P9600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.66GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 260M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

Sub-Total: $1,734.00

powerpack
05-14-2009, 09:15 PM
Getting beyond my expertise as things are always changing. A year ago video editing was a CPU dependent task. That said a better CPU and say 260m might be a better choice. I only reserve comment as the GPU's now make claims of having the capabilities to off load the load from CPU for previously CPU dependent tasks. Video editing and say Photoshop.

I just don't know the software end. I do not think the applications have caught up to the hardware yet. If I am correct better CPU would help more. But am not ontop of this so not the guy to ask for certain.

But the NP8662 is looking better and better if greater CPU is possible. I does game and will play Crysis on high settings with good framerates. Not like weak in anyway.

KrunkShine
05-14-2009, 09:34 PM
Getting beyond my expertise as things are always changing. A year ago video editing was a CPU dependent task. That said a better CPU and say 260m might be a better choice. I only reserve comment as the GPU's now make claims of having the capabilities to off load the load from CPU for previously CPU dependent tasks. Video editing and say Photoshop.

I just don't know the software end. I do not think the applications have caught up to the hardware yet. If I am correct better CPU would help more. But am not ontop of this so not the guy to ask for certain.

But the NP8662 is looking better and better if greater CPU is possible. I does game and will play Crysis on high settings with good framerates. Not like weak in anyway.

Theres just so much to consider. Well Thanks guys.

Hollow
05-15-2009, 11:07 AM
I think I agree with Justin's assesment: go for the Sager NP5797.

Look at it this way. While you may use the laptop primarily for work purposes you will get much better enjoyment out of it playing games on it. Which would you rather give a few more seconds to? Waiting for the laptop to render that image or get that little bit better graphic performance while your running around in your game trying to stay alive?

I think in the long run the laptop no matter the configuration will always be able to perform the work but, like has already been mentioned games advance at a much faster rate then work applications.

Good luck! Whatever your decision.

Justin_W@XoticPC
05-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Good input Hollow (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/member.php?u=11569) and welcome to the Xotic PC forums! :)

Hollow
05-15-2009, 06:50 PM
Good input Hollow (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/member.php?u=11569) and welcome to the Xotic PC forums! :)

Thank you very much! There is some great information to be found here and very helpful people.