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xBEEMANx
05-31-2009, 02:49 AM
General Questions

1) What is your budget?
Around $2000 give or take $500

2) What size notebook would you prefer?
c. Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
d. Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen
Anywhere from 15-17 will do, because it will be hooked to an HDTV as a dual monitor when docked at my desk.

3) What country are you buying this in?
USA

4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
I have found a few possible choices, but please go to the bottom for my additional notes to see specific models

5) What tasks will you be performing with the notebook?
I will be playing games such as GTA IV, COD 4/5 and Rainbow Six Vegas 2
I will be watching stuff, blu-ray, dvd, downloaded, tv shows.
The occasional social networking and schoolwork

6) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places or leaving it on your desk?
Both. While at home it will be on a cooling fan hooked to my HDTV as a dual monitor and some nice speakers or headphones. While on the go I will have headphones for watching movies, it will be sitting on a cooling fan, and I may possibly have an xbox 360 controller hooked up.

7) Will you be playing games on it; if so, which games?
As stated previously, GTA IV, COD 4/5 and Rainbow Six Vegas 2

8) How many hours of battery life do you need?
I would like 4+ so a spare battery is a must.

9) Do you mind buying online without seeing the notebook in person?
Not a problem, but only direct from manufacturer or xoticpc

10) What OS do you prefer? (more details below)
-Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit

Screen Specifics

11) From the choices below, what screen resolutions would you prefer? (more details below)
Widescreen.
f. WUXGA - 1920x1200; Wider viewing version of UXGA, good for movie viewing or spreadsheets.
I want my blu-ray and games to look good!

12) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non glossy screen?
Doesn't matter, I think glossy looks better with blu-ray, so glossy

Build Quality and Design

13) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
Semi, but its not a dealbreaker

14) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last?
Hopefully 3-4 years (I will be taking good care of it, but a little durability would be nice)

Notebook Components

15) How much hard drive space do you want; 80GB, 160GB, 250GB, 320GB, 500GB, 1TB, or 1.5TB?
I'm thinking 320 or 500, I have around 50 gigs of movies already, the equivalent in games, and will be purchasing a tv tuner, so I'll prolly have it full, but I do have a 300GB external, so I really don't need a TB

16) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a CDRW/DVD-ROM, CD/DVD Burner or Blu-Ray drive?
Blu ray is a MUST! But I don't need a burner, we have an external one at our house.

17) What speed CPU/Processor would you like? Dual core or Quad Core CPU?
I think a 2.5 or 2.6 dual will be enough.

[B]Additional Notes[/B
1. Since I plan on using decent ($100 - $200) speakers and some nice headphones with this laptop, should I get a better sound card if available? I don't have a home theatre or anything, just a simple 3 or 4 speaker set.

2. Does the speed of a hard drive matter? I have heard the 5400rpm's saves battery, but 7200rpm has faster transfer. I will probably be moving movies back and forth from my external to internal, so I don't want it to take forever, but how much of a difference does it really make???

3. I am considering a MacBook, just because I want to try some iphone app programming, and I was wondering if I could run games on boot camp through xp??? It's probably not going to happen, but I'm just trying to keep my options open.

4. I am not exactly certain on the processor, is 2.5-2.6 GHz enough to play most games???


Possibilities for laptops:

SAGER NP5797

SAGER NP9280

SAGER NP8662

Dell XPS M1730 Laptop

Alienware M17

HP Pavilion dv7t series

HP HDX 16t Premium series

Sony VAIO FW Series

Dramacydal
05-31-2009, 06:25 AM
Go for the sager 5797 ( silver )
9280 is a monster.... but looks horrible.
Xps is good... but it will make u stretch ur wallet for nothing.
hp/sony - i h8 both of them... horrible service.
alienware m17 was a disaster - wait for the allpowerfull to come out. ( similar to sager5797.. but will be like 300 more.

ASUS W90VP-A1 - is also a gr8 laptop but i would wait for the Asus-G71-gx to come out. ( i heard it got 12 gigs of ram...i7 processors, 280m etc... startice price estimated is around $1700. asus it hitting the jackpot^^ )

KY_BULLET
05-31-2009, 08:52 AM
Qty.Totalhttp://www.xoticpc.com/images/5797X.jpg (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540{76}1883{187}1757 {94}1074{92}2423{88}2351{186}1532{93}2431{193}657{ 112}2032{98}2494{96}2434{168}1453{116}696{117}705{ 120}703{110}2426{169}1449{119}1898{100}734{164}144 1{107}689{106}1696{121}694{108}710{109}711{170}159 1{173}1175{167}1452{103}686{113}1413{111}1414{69}7 14)Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540{76}1883{187}1757 {94}1074{92}2423{88}2351{186}1532{93}2431{193}657{ 112}2032{98}2494{96}2434{168}1453{116}696{117}705{ 120}703{110}2426{169}1449{119}1898{100}734{164}144 1{107}689{106}1696{121}694{108}710{109}711{170}159 1{173}1175{167}1452{103}686{113}1413{111}1414{69}7 14)
- 17" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® T9550 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.66GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~ 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- None Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
TOTAL: $2047.00

xBEEMANx
05-31-2009, 07:55 PM
Qty.Totalhttp://www.xoticpc.com/images/5797X.jpg (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540{76}1883{187}1757 {94}1074{92}2423{88}2351{186}1532{93}2431{193}657{ 112}2032{98}2494{96}2434{168}1453{116}696{117}705{ 120}703{110}2426{169}1449{119}1898{100}734{164}144 1{107}689{106}1696{121}694{108}710{109}711{170}159 1{173}1175{167}1452{103}686{113}1413{111}1414{69}7 14)Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540{76}1883{187}1757 {94}1074{92}2423{88}2351{186}1532{93}2431{193}657{ 112}2032{98}2494{96}2434{168}1453{116}696{117}705{ 120}703{110}2426{169}1449{119}1898{100}734{164}144 1{107}689{106}1696{121}694{108}710{109}711{170}159 1{173}1175{167}1452{103}686{113}1413{111}1414{69}7 14)
- 17" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® T9550 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.66GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~ 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- None Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
TOTAL: $2047.00
I have tried that configuration before, the sagers I know what I'm getting, but what about the others?

xBEEMANx
05-31-2009, 07:56 PM
I do like the sagers, but what abou the other brands?

BKR2879
05-31-2009, 08:11 PM
The problem with the other brands is that you end up paying a lot for just the name on it. Couple that with questionable support and even if you don't pay a lot up front, you'll end up paying for it later. Just ask the folks around here who got burned on Alienware systems.

You could get a pretty wicked 8662 within your budget, though a 1920x1200 resolution on a 15.4" screen might make text a little small, depending on how good your eyes are.

It will also make the video card work harder to play games at that resolution. Also, most 1920x1200 screens are matte and not glossy, so that may matter as well.

As far as BluRay movies looking good, unless you have the eyes of an eagle I highly doubt you'd be able to tell the difference on a screen that small between 1920x1200 and 1680x1050. The player will scale the image to fit anyway, and 30 pixels difference isn't that much, (since on the 1920x1200 screen it will scale to 1920x1080 anyway).

The upside is it wouldn't be too big to haul around, and it's the most powerful 15.4" machine available at the moment.

As an example just under your max budget.....$2,319

Sager NP8662 (Built on Clevo M860TU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2564{76}2438{187}1757 {94}1074{92}2425{88}1925{186}1532{93}2431{193}657{ 112}656{98}2494{96}1053{168}1453{116}696{117}705{1 20}703{110}2426{169}1449{119}1898{100}734{164}1441 {107}689{106}1696{121}694{108}710{109}711{170}1591 {173}1175{167}1452{103}1889{113}1413{111}1414{69}7 14)
- 15.4" WUXGA "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® T9800 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.93GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 260M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- Standard Finish
- ~ 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

Joseph@XoticPC
06-02-2009, 02:01 PM
I completely agree with what these guys are saying. In your budget you would be hard pressed to find a laptop with the performance of the 5797. Now that the new processors are out you can get improved performance at similar prices(sometimes less) then before. If you have any questions feel free to email, open a chat, or call us at Xoticpc. I would be glad to help you in any way I can. By the way I have come up with a little comparison for you to the Alienware "All powerful"
http://i.dell.com/images/global/configurator/icons/components_on.gifMy ComponentsSYSTEM COLORSpace Black – Anodized Aluminumedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%201,%20_Action%29;)PROCESSOR Intel® Core™2 Duo T9800 2.93GHz (6MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB)edit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%202,%20_Action%29;)OPERATING SYSTEMWindows Vista® Home Premium (64-bit Edition) with Service Pack 1edit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2011,%20_Action%29;)VIDEO CARDSingle NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260M, 1GBedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%206,%20_Action%29;)LCD PANEL17-inch WideUXGA 1920x1200 (1200p)edit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%205,%20_Action%29;)MEMORY4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHzedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%203,%20_Action%29;)HARD DRIVE500GB 7,200RPM w/ Free Fall Protectionedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%208,%20_Action%29;)INTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVESlot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)edit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2016,%20_Action%29;)WARRANTY AND SERVICE1Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosisedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2029,%20_Action%29;)http://i.dell.com/images/global/configurator/icons/software_on.gifPersonalizeALIENFX COLORQuasar Blueedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%282,%2010,%20_Action%29;)AVATARAl ienhead 3Dedit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%282,%2012,%20_Action%29;)RSS FEEDSAlienware RSS Feededit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%282,%2096,%20_Action%29;)http://i.dell.com/images/global/configurator/icons/accessories2_on.gifMy AccessoriesSECURITY SOFTWAREMcAfee® VirusScan Plus – 15-Month Subscription (English)edit (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%283,%2025,%20_Action%29;)http://i.dell.com/images/global/configurator/icons/services_off.gifALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEMBLUETOOTHInternal Wireless Bluetooth® 2.1 with EDR
WIRELESS CARDSInternal 300Mbps Dual-Band a/g/n Wireless with MIMO Technology
Adobe SoftwareAdobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0
WINDOWS STYLEWindows Style, Default
MOUSE POINTERSMouse Pointers, Standard
POWER PLANPower Plan, High Performance
AUTOMATIC UPDATESAutomatic Updates ON
TIME ZONE(GMT - 6.00) Central Time (US & Canada)
Standard Nameplate TriggerStandard Nameplate (Alienware M17x)tarting Pricehttp://i.dell.com/images/global/general/spacer.gif$2,474http://i.dell.com/images/global/general/spacer.gif
http://i.dell.com/images/global/configurator/chassis/laptop-alienware-m17x-right-alt-120.jpgStarting Pricehttp://i.dell.com/images/global/general/spacer.gif$2,474



Here is our option

Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540%7B76%7D1883%7B18 7%7D1757%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2425%7B88%7D2351%7B186 %7D1532%7B93%7D2431%7B193%7D657%7B112%7D2032%7B98% 7D1295%7B96%7D1053%7B168%7D1453%7B116%7D696%7B117% 7D705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2426%7B169%7D1449%7B119% 7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D689%7B106% 7D1696%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7 D1591%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D1889%7B113 %7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D714)
- 17" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
-1920 x 1200 screen option add 75 dollars
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® T9900 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 3.06GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC) $2,299.00 http://www.xoticpc.com/images/pixel_trans.gif Sub-Total: $2,299.00 (3% discount also offered for cash payments)
As you can see we are cheaper for a newer, faster processor. A much faster Graphics card, and a better warrenty. I would say that saving 150 dollars in this comparison to not have an Alien and really cool lighting I must add. Would probably be money well spent. Plus the 5797 can thermally support the qx9300. Not sure about the Alienware, but that is a nice thing to think about down the road in regards to a very well built upgradeable machine.