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BlackSabs
06-05-2009, 12:31 PM
General Questions

1) What is your budget?
$1900 or less...to put the 5797 into conversation.

2) What size notebook would you prefer?
c. Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
d. Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen

3) What country are you buying this in?
USA
4) Are there any brands that you prefer.
Sager or MSI

5) What tasks will you be performing with the notebook?
Gaming will be the most taxing task on this laptop.

6) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places or leaving it on your desk? Not an issue

7) Will you be playing games on it; if so, which games?
yes... new and old

8) How many hours of battery life do you need?
not an issue.

9) Do you mind buying online without seeing the notebook in person?
no

10) What OS do you prefer? (more details below)
-Windows XP Home SP3
-Windows XP Pro SP3
-Windows Vista Home Premium 32-Bit or 64-Bit
Windows Vista Ultimate 32-Bit or 64-Bit
one of these 4
Screen Specifics

11) From the choices below, what screen resolutions would you prefer? (more details below)
e. WSXGA+ - 1680x1050; Wider viewing version of SXGA, good for movie viewing or spreadsheets.

12) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non glossy screen?
Glossy i guess?

Build Quality and Design

13) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
no

14) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last? couple of years...i think the sagers are upgradeable so thats a big plus for them. Msi im not so sure.

Notebook Components

15) How much hard drive space do you want; 320GB

16) Do you need an optical drive? yes, a CDRW/DVD-ROM, CD/DVD

17) What speed CPU/Processor would you like? Dual core

I've been trolling here for a month or so so i have done a bunch of research...All qoutes are based on 320 GB HD @ 7200rpm, 4GB Ram and no OS(Msi comes with vista 32bit)... Msi GT725-074 seems to be a good "bang for the buck" option at just over $1308. The Sager 8662 with the P8700 @ $1428 up to the P9700 @$1588 then we have the 5797 with the P8700 @ $1719 up to the P9700 @$1879. Could be a price drop soon on the Msi which might make it a great deal to grab for a year then upgrade to one of the others. Big question i have is in the processor catagory which would be best(without overkill) for gtx260/gtx280... is there any difference, beside wattage, between the T9600 and the P9700

Thanks so much for your time...:notworthy

Anewbus
06-05-2009, 02:20 PM
Hi BlackSabs,

Regarding the CPU question. Wattage is an important consideration in a notebook. More wattage = more heat = shorter battery usage life. Looking at the two procs you mentioned I don’t see any difference other than the wattage requirements and the model number, unless it’s a typo on the customization screen.
I’m sure someone will come along with great detail to all that.
As for the GPU 260 or 280 there is no such thing as overkill, the more the merrier.
I can’t predict price drops and such, but I can present this consideration to you: You might find it less expensive to just get what you want now seeing as how these notebooks will easily last 3 to 4 years with proper care. (Of course that’s baring any future advancements in games and other software that may pose software/firmware compatibility issues, in other words, “obsoleteism”).
I’m just thinking of the financials of your idea of dropping say $1200 or $1300 on a machine now (that may not be upgradeable), then waiting a year and dropping another $1900 or something. It would be more fiscally prudent to go ahead and drop $1500 to $1900 now on a machine that could be or is upgradeable and be done with it for a while. Just a thought.

Here are some config ideas in both 15 inch and 17 inch within your budget I came up with to jump start you:

Here’s the 17 inch 5797. It’s a bit over your budget in this config, but I will show you anyway. You could drop the CPU down a notch and save $110 and not notice any performance sacrifice. You could even get on fine with the CPU that comes standard.


Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook (Built on Clevo M570ETU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2540%7B76%7D1883%7B18 7%7D1757%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2424%7B88%7D2351%7B186 %7D1532%7B93%7D2431%7B193%7D657%7B112%7D2032%7B98% 7D1295%7B96%7D2434%7B168%7D1453%7B116%7D696%7B117% 7D705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2426%7B169%7D1449%7B119% 7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D689%7B106% 7D1696%7B12%20)
- 17" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® P9700 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.8GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- NP579x Orange Frame Trim Color
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

TOTAL = $1972.98 with cash discount


Here’s the MSI you were looking at: The GPU in the 5797 and the 15 inch below are better in some respects starting with the on-board memory (1GB vs 512MB).
This MSI also comes with only one model of proc and is not upgradeable. The 5797 and the 8662 below are upgradeable. However, this MSI does come with an OS and a 3 year full warranty from MSI, but hint: The XoticPC full warranties can’t be beat.

MSI GT725-074 (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2551%7B76%7D1280%7B94 %7D1074%7B92%7D1987%7B88%7D1671%7B186%7D1532%7B93% 7D1645%7B112%7D656%7B98%7D1907%7B96%7D1969%7B168%7 D1453%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D707%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D 1747%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7 D1441%7B107%7D2259%7B106%7D1688%7B121%7D694%7B108% 7D710%7B109%20)
- 17" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- -Intel® P8600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.40GHz w/3MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt - ENS
- ATI HD4850 512MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory -
- Standard Finish
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software
- - 320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default Hard Drive
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in 802.11 Wireless A/B/G/N
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- MSI Matching Backpack
- Smart Li-ion Battery (9-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- No Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 32-Bit w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's - Standard
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year MSI Parts & Labor Limited Warranty with Lifetime Tech Support

TOTAL = $1308.53 with cash discount


Now if you want a 15 inch this in my opinion, is by far great value for dollar!
I configured this with a powerful CPU (P9700) and it the same powerful GPU as the 5797. You could also drop the CPU down a notch with no sacrifice and save more money. You could also do that and then add Xotic’s best warranty for $259 and still come under $1900. (It would be $1865.98). Any way you want to do stuff.:)

Sager NP8662 (Built on Clevo M860TU) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2564%7B76%7D768%7B187 %7D1757%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2424%7B88%7D1925%7B186% 7D1532%7B93%7D2431%7B193%7D657%7B112%7D656%7B98%7D 1295%7B96%7D2434%7B168%7D1453%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D 705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2426%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D 1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D689%7B106%7D 1696%7B121%7D%20)
- 15.4" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® P9700 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.8GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
- nVidia GeForce GTX 260M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- None Standard--
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

Total = $1681.98 with cash discount.

BlackSabs
06-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Thanks for the insite Anewbus...in your humble opinion...i've been out of the PC game scene for a few years so i have alot of catching up to do i.e. alot of games to purchase if you had to choose between the 8662 P9700 configuration or the 5997 P8700 and have an extra $200-$300 for games etc what are the pro's/con's for these configurations....thanks so much.

BlackSabs
06-05-2009, 03:26 PM
Thanks for your insite Anewbus! Would love to know your pro's and con's on the 8662 P9700 vs. 5797 P8700 configurations. I get the upgrade in GPU and Size for $130 and have $200-$300 for all the games etc... i will be buying. Is it worth the lower CPU? :confused: