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kati42
02-13-2010, 04:51 PM
I see that there's a European reseller who appears to be taking pre-orders for a Clevo W860CU with mobility 5870 graphics. Any word on when this will make its way to the US, or if this is an error on their part? If I can get a 5870 in a 15-16" laptop, that would make my purchasing decision for me. ;)

powerpack
02-13-2010, 05:06 PM
Can you link? I will search I do not know but have heard they are on there way. I must mention some sites post long before official and in the end all ship at the same time.

kati42
02-13-2010, 10:06 PM
Sure. I don't speak German, but this LOOKS like the same laptop to me (but they promise a 5870): Deviltech laptop (http://www.deviltech.de/deviltech.php/sid/d98224feb0e099bfe6e877b1f6c9e44c/cl/details/cnid/8a142c3e4143562a5.46426637/anid/c5146e909fe5c11f4.66701202/Devil-9700-DTX/)

kati42
02-14-2010, 11:51 AM
I submitted a link but it says a moderator has to look at it before it will show up (at least, I think so - I wasn't really paying attention). The vendor, though is DevilTech. If you search for it and look for the 15.6" laptop you'll see it has a 5870 option. The site is in German, though.

powerpack
02-14-2010, 02:21 PM
I don't speak German but not going to let a little thing like that stop me. Yes I see what you are saying. It is listed as an option.

Fragbook DTX

http://www.deviltech.de/out/oxbaseshop/html/0/dyn_images/1/fragbookkonfi_p1.jpg

It is clearly a Clevo W870CU.

http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/8760/87602.jpg

They do offer it in the front they say that is the GPU. You click on the model and all 285m. When you get to configure it shows back up.

Xotic is selling Sager. Sager has all North American Clevo. We are a bigger market than the entire EU. That said Clevo will offer to Sager in a timely manner. Why not announced? Will It be announced? I just do not know. But if anyone lives in Germany I do not see how they could buy from Xotic. The base cost is $2050 US includes shipping and VAT. Xotic cannot compete with that for Germans for so many reasons.

powerpack
02-14-2010, 03:05 PM
OK I just had a German associate read. He said configuration only not available until late February. Also he was less impressed with the cost than I was for whatever that is worth.

I think as I first said we will see on Xotic soon and delivery will be in a similar time frame.

Anewbus
02-15-2010, 05:11 PM
I think Powerpack is right, we will see it soon on XoticPC. XoticPC tries hard to not announce anything before it's ready for pre-order at least. It's like what happened when the SSDs first were offered, two days later XoticPC had to pull them because there were hardware issues. The fact is that Xotic pulled them before anyone else and there were some unethical resellers that still offered the bad drives to unsuspecting customers, (Alienware comes springing to mind).
Anyway, with the popularity of Sager here, we should see the GPU in question being offered soon. A guess would be March, but that's only a guess.

Got to like the name "Fragbook DTX" though.:wink2::laugh:

kati42
03-02-2010, 01:17 PM
The 5870 is now an option on the Clevo W860CU on RJTech for pre-order, with an ETA of early March...

I'd really rather order from xoticpc, though...

mavrrick
03-02-2010, 01:52 PM
Actually kati,

When i started my search for a new laptop i had a few custom laptop compannies I knew about. One of them was offering this weeks ago. This option is around at a few places, and it appears that it is certainly coming to the masses eventually. One of the first questions I asked when I found this site was to Jason about the Sagar W860CU and W870CU. Initially i had my heart set on the W860CU with a 5870.

The jist of the conversation was when it is officially supported by Clevo they will have it here. So take that as you like I would feel better about waiting and getting it here then somewhere else rushed. When i started looking at the numberts though the Sager's just couldn't compete on the value level with the G73JH. I am waiting for the G73JH now.

Joseph@XoticPC
03-02-2010, 10:00 PM
Good evening everyone. Be on the lookout around march 9-11th which is the current ETA. We also may know more about this rumored change after cebit this week as well :) All I can say if it does happen watch out G73jh-a fully customizable, user upgradeable laptop where you can get upgrades cheaper than the Asus models. We are really looking forward to hearing more and we will post up any information as soon as we have it.

Mekhit
03-03-2010, 01:00 PM
After looking at this laptop, the price seems to go up considerably when you add the ram to it to make it compareable to the G73JH. I still think the Asus is a better deal for the money. And yes, the Clevo is more easily upgradeable, but so is the Asus. You shouldn't really need to upgrade anyway and by the time you do, your warranty will be done and over so you won't have to worry about that.

McDaddy
03-03-2010, 09:39 PM
OOOHHHHHH dammm ... I just ordered that laptop last week .... i hope i can still change my order to the ati vid card

GIG.AD
03-04-2010, 12:57 AM
We need benchmarks!:)

Maverick494
03-07-2010, 01:02 PM
After looking at this laptop, the price seems to go up considerably when you add the ram to it to make it compareable to the G73JH. I still think the Asus is a better deal for the money. And yes, the Clevo is more easily upgradeable, but so is the Asus. You shouldn't really need to upgrade anyway and by the time you do, your warranty will be done and over so you won't have to worry about that.

The difference is that the Asus comes with DDR3 1066 and the 8690 comes with DDR3 1333. Running async with RAM pretty much always yields worse performance than running sync'd bus speeds. Plus unless you plan to do some really heavy duty video or audio editing or CAD drawing 8GB of ram, at this point, is really overkill.

The ASUS does have an advantage in screen size over the Sager 8690, but this is minimally important to me. To some this could be the reason to go ASUS.

Stock to Stock the ASUS probably does offer a bit more bang for your buck due to having Dual 500GB hard drives, bigger screen, rubber coating and the backpack and mouse that comes with the A2, but the 8690 makes up for that somewhat by being more upgradable.

still if you compare the systems customized to be as close to the same as possible:

Sager 8690 (820QM*, 8GB DDR3 1333, 5870, 500GB HDD 16MB, 15.6 1920x1080): 2074

*with a i7 720 the price is 1884.00

ASUS G73JH-A2 (820QM*, 8GB DDR3 1333, 5870, 500GB x 2 HDD 16MB, 17.3 1920x1080): 2373

*with a i7 720 the price is 1798.00

So for 300 dollars you get 500GB of hard drive space and 1.7" of screen size. Seems like sager has done a pretty good job of keeping the price point inline with ASUS. If you do no upgrade to the CPU the Sager is slightly more which is odd, but again a very similar price point.

Bottomline is if you are willing to wait a month or two for your system the ASUS is a great choice. If you are like me and want it ASAP the Sager is a great alternative and both systems should be screamers.

Mekhit
03-08-2010, 09:52 AM
The difference is that the Asus comes with DDR3 1066 and the 8690 comes with DDR3 1333. Running async with RAM pretty much always yields worse performance than running sync'd bus speeds. Plus unless you plan to do some really heavy duty video or audio editing or CAD drawing 8GB of ram, at this point, is really overkill.

The ASUS does have an advantage in screen size over the Sager 8690, but this is minimally important to me. To some this could be the reason to go ASUS.

Stock to Stock the ASUS probably does offer a bit more bang for your buck due to having Dual 500GB hard drives, bigger screen, rubber coating and the backpack and mouse that comes with the A2, but the 8690 makes up for that somewhat by being more upgradable.

still if you compare the systems customized to be as close to the same as possible:

Sager 8690 (820QM*, 8GB DDR3 1333, 5870, 500GB HDD 16MB, 15.6 1920x1080): 2074

*with a i7 720 the price is 1884.00

ASUS G73JH-A2 (820QM*, 8GB DDR3 1333, 5870, 500GB x 2 HDD 16MB, 17.3 1920x1080): 2373

*with a i7 720 the price is 1798.00

So for 300 dollars you get 500GB of hard drive space and 1.7" of screen size. Seems like sager has done a pretty good job of keeping the price point inline with ASUS. If you do no upgrade to the CPU the Sager is slightly more which is odd, but again a very similar price point.

Bottomline is if you are willing to wait a month or two for your system the ASUS is a great choice. If you are like me and want it ASAP the Sager is a great alternative and both systems should be screamers.

First, your price on the A2 is way off, I'm paying 1577.00 for it stock with the i-7, not nearly 1800. Second, yeah I agree some of the specs are overkill, but if I can get them for cheaper than in another machine, why not? Third, there's a minimal difference in 1066 ram vs 1333 ram. AND I just did a customized Sager NP8690 to match up to a stock A2 and the price came out to 1960.33, so roughly four hundred more to be compareable and you're still lacking the screen size and 1 500gb HDD. But, like you said they should both be screamers for sure :biggrin: and the sager is a great pick if you're in a hurry. I still have my decent desktop running (but surely dying soon), so I can afford to wait. And money is a bit tight, so for the price the A2 is the best bang for my buck. Sager is an excellent machine though, and they do make quality stuff! :wink2:

Maverick494
03-08-2010, 10:35 AM
First, your price on the A2 is way off, I'm paying 1577.00 for it stock with the i-7, not nearly 1800. Second, yeah I agree some of the specs are overkill, but if I can get them for cheaper than in another machine, why not? Third, there's a minimal difference in 1066 ram vs 1333 ram. AND I just did a customized Sager NP8690 to match up to a stock A2 and the price came out to 1960.33, so roughly four hundred more to be compareable and you're still lacking the screen size and 1 500gb HDD. But, like you said they should both be screamers for sure :biggrin: and the sager is a great pick if you're in a hurry. I still have my decent desktop running (but surely dying soon), so I can afford to wait. And money is a bit tight, so for the price the A2 is the best bang for my buck. Sager is an excellent machine though, and they do make quality stuff! :wink2:

First, DDR3 1066 has a peak transfer rate of 8533 MB/s, DDR3 1333 has a peak transfer rate of 10667 MB/s that is a 20% increase in transfer rate. In computing 20% is large.

Second, The Asus G73 is not a direct competitor with the 8690. The 8760 is the direct competitor. I have already said that the specs on the ASUS and the price make it a good machine for a gamer that doesn't care about anything more than the CPU/GPU combo with a little oooooo 8GB of ram on a smaller budget.

powerpack
03-08-2010, 10:42 AM
As said 1066Mhz and 1333Mhz do not see much real world difference. But on the Sagers side it is all around more functional. ESATA, firewire. For some that could be critical for others not so much. Right now leaning toward the G73 for price and my needs. If Sager had back lit keyboard would have to consider?

Maverick494
03-08-2010, 10:49 AM
As said 1066Mhz and 1333Mhz do not see much real world difference. But on the Sagers side it is all around more functional. ESATA, firewire. For some that could be critical for others not so much. Right now leaning toward the G73 for price and my needs. If Sager had back lit keyboard would have to consider?

I like your priorities =D backlit keyboard would be sweet to have on the sager, so would the rubber coating.

The little things are what drew me to the sager, unfortunately the 8760 was a little more than I could pay so I ended up with the 8690 with the better screen.

The price point on the Asus is great, as long as you don't care about the little things and are on a budget of just about 1600 dollars. Once your budget allows for about 1800 the Sager 8760 becomes more attractive IMPO due to the small stuff. Especially if you configure the Asus to match the fact that the 8760 has an 820QM stock vs. the Stock 720QM on the Asus.

BTW: You will notice the performance gains in ram if only because it is faster AND running the same speed as the front side bus.

UntilMoraleImproves
03-08-2010, 11:14 AM
I almost dumped the G73 in favor of the 8760 but I just don't want to spend as much as it will take to get the system to match-up and the real problem is the lack of availability for the 720QM. If I could swap the 820 for the 720, I would probably make the jump. I just can't beat the specs on the G73 for the price.

Mekhit
03-08-2010, 01:07 PM
the ASUS and the price make it a good machine for a gamer that doesn't care about anything more than the CPU/GPU combo with a little oooooo 8GB of ram on a smaller budget.

This "little" stuff is important to renderers for 3D scenes and stuff. To me, eSATA and firewire is little things since there's always USB and the transfer speed loss isn't a deal breaker for me. I'd prefer the larger HD space (2 bays instead of one), more ram (2 x the 8760, 4 x 8690) and CPU/GPU combo. Honestly, if they dropped the price of the 8760 or if my budget was about 300 dollars larger, I would've picked it. And once you jump the 8690 ram up to 8gb, it becomes too much for me, too or that would've been my choice lol. I blame the economy.

powerpack
03-08-2010, 01:14 PM
Point of order "i" have OBMC so technically no FSB? Also and right now don't remember specifics but on mine for example C2D with what they call 800Mhz RAM and 1066Mhz FSB. Remember that magic 1:1 ratio has been exceeded so no you do not need to be synced. 800Mhz and 1066Mhz is 3:2 because 800 is really 400 (DDR) and 1066 is really 266 (Quad pumped). 3:2 is 400:266 since above 1:1 all that matters is what is faster with the same bus. 5:2 is better than 2:1 since RAM would be faster?

Just some thoughts from my OC'ing days.

Maverick494
03-08-2010, 01:19 PM
This "little" stuff is important to renderers for 3D scenes and stuff. To me, eSATA and firewire is little things since there's always USB and the transfer speed loss isn't a deal breaker for me. I'd prefer the larger HD space (2 bays instead of one), more ram (2 x the 8760, 4 x 8690) and CPU/GPU combo. Honestly, if they dropped the price of the 8760 or if my budget was about 300 dollars larger, I would've picked it. And once you jump the 8690 ram up to 8gb, it becomes too much for me, too or that would've been my choice lol. I blame the economy.

The 8690 has 4GB of ram just like the 8760, so it is only 1/2 the ram amount as the G73JH. The larger hard drive space only applies to the 8690, but the price does go up on the 8760 if you get 1TB total space (which btw is odd to me that the 8690 and the 8760 both use the PM55 chipset and it is raid capable so why only one drive bay on the 8690). However you also have to remember that you cannot get an i7-720 in the 8760, only an i7-820QM or the 920XM. If you bump the Asus to match that it becomes more costly than the sager without the features of the Sager, except for having the slower Ram. I showed in a couple other posts that if you config the sager 8760 and the Asus G73JH to be on a level playing field the Sager is cheaper or the same price and doesn't lack the small stuff.

For me I didn't have a 2000 dollar budget and had a time requirement since I use my Laptop not only for gaming, but for my US Navy reserve stuff as well. The loaner lappy I am on cannot do what I need it to do so waiting on a G73JH wasn't an option due to the wait. Thus I went with the next best thing I could and that was the 8690 to get the CPU/GPU and DDR3 I wanted. Coming from a laptop with a 320GB Hard drive to one with a 320GB Hard drive wasn't an issue for me.

The Asus comes in at the price point it does due to the lack of the small things and slightly slower RAM that a dedicated gamer is not going to miss. If, however, you can afford more than that baseline price and want to do more than just game the Sager becomes a much better option IMPO due to the little things like RAID, Firewire, E-sata, etc. Not to mention the much lower wait time.

Maverick494
03-08-2010, 01:27 PM
Point of order "i" have OBMC so technically no FSB? Also and right now don't remember specifics but on mine for example C2D with what they call 800Mhz RAM and 1066Mhz FSB. Remember that magic 1:1 ratio has been exceeded so no you do not need to be synced. 800Mhz and 1066Mhz is 3:2 because 800 is really 400 (DDR) and 1066 is really 266 (Quad pumped). 3:2 is 400:266 since above 1:1 all that matters is what is faster with the same bus. 5:2 is better than 2:1 since RAM would be faster?

Just some thoughts from my OC'ing days.


That would be true IF you were overclocking and needed the stability. Usually your CPU could handle a FSB that was higher than what the RAM could handle and thus you would need that divider to get stable. I always had better results when my RAM and FSB bus were sync and not Async, even if the CPU were running slightly lower than its max FSB.

I forget the i doesn't have a FSB like I am used to, so this is probably different now.

Mekhit
03-08-2010, 01:28 PM
The 8690 has 4GB of ram just like the 8760, so it is only 1/2 the ram amount as the G73JH. The larger hard drive space only applies to the 8690, but the price does go up on the 8760 if you get 1TB total space (which btw is odd to me that the 8690 and the 8760 both use the PM55 chipset and it is raid capable so why only one drive bay on the 8690). However you also have to remember that you cannot get an i7-720 in the 8760, only an i7-820QM or the 920XM. If you bump the Asus to match that it becomes more costly than the sager without the features of the Sager, except for having the slower Ram. I showed in a couple other posts that if you config the sager 8760 and the Asus G73JH to be on a level playing field the Sager is cheaper or the same price and doesn't lack the small stuff.

For me I didn't have a 2000 dollar budget and had a time requirement since I use my Laptop not only for gaming, but for my US Navy reserve stuff as well. The loaner lappy I am on cannot do what I need it to do so waiting on a G73JH wasn't an option due to the wait. Thus I went with the next best thing I could and that was the 8690 to get the CPU/GPU and DDR3 I wanted. Coming from a laptop with a 320GB Hard drive to one with a 320GB Hard drive wasn't an issue for me.

The Asus comes in at the price point it does due to the lack of the small things and slightly slower RAM that a dedicated gamer is not going to miss. If, however, you can afford more than that baseline price and want to do more than just game the Sager becomes a much better option IMPO due to the little things like RAID, Firewire, E-sata, etc. Not to mention the much lower wait time.

A lot of valid points, but to say that the Asus is ONLY good for gaming is way off. This thing will create 3D scenes with Maya like a pro. Sure, I can't transfer it AS FAST since it doesn't have eSATA or Firewire, but it will still transfer. So, to me that's not really a loss. But yeah, it's not JUST good for gaming. Fortunately, I can afford to wait. I do wish the Asus had a raid setup, but it's not a huge issue with me seeing as I can use the second HDD as the storage drive for the 3D files (which can get big!). IMO, both of these machines are great, they both have pros and cons. It just comes down to preference and use.

Maverick494
03-08-2010, 01:35 PM
A lot of valid points, but to say that the Asus is ONLY good for gaming is way off. This thing will create 3D scenes with Maya like a pro. Sure, I can't transfer it AS FAST since it doesn't have eSATA or Firewire, but it will still transfer. So, to me that's not really a loss. But yeah, it's not JUST good for gaming. Fortunately, I can afford to wait. I do wish the Asus had a raid setup, but it's not a huge issue with me seeing as I can use the second HDD as the storage drive for the 3D files (which can get big!). IMO, both of these machines are great, they both have pros and cons. It just comes down to preference and use.

I don't see anywhere where I say that it can't do that. I simply think that people that are doing more than gaming are going to be more willing to put out a little bit more money to get the little things than a gamer who is looking for a performance out of the GPU/CPU and RAM that is going to push their gaming experience. They don't really care if it has firewire or E-Sata. They probably care that it doesn't have raid because that will affect load times, but for the price most of them will probably be willing to over look that.

One thing that I do note is that there are a ton of people customizing the G73JH to have the faster DDR3 1333 and an i7-820QM and still waiting on it. The sad thing is once you do that it is no longer cheaper than the Sager =(

Mekhit
03-08-2010, 01:51 PM
I don't see anywhere where I say that it can't do that. I simply think that people that are doing more than gaming are going to be more willing to put out a little bit more money to get the little things than a gamer who is looking for a performance out of the GPU/CPU and RAM that is going to push their gaming experience. They don't really care if it has firewire or E-Sata. They probably care that it doesn't have raid because that will affect load times, but for the price most of them will probably be willing to over look that.

One thing that I do note is that there are a ton of people customizing the G73JH to have the faster DDR3 1333 and an i7-820QM and still waiting on it. The sad thing is once you do that it is no longer cheaper than the Sager =(

See, you keep saying that gamers are going to prefer the GPU/CPU and RAM over the eSATA and firewire. And you say that the people doing more than gaming are going to be me ore willing to put out more money. That's not true, I probably will rarely game on this thing. The GPU/CPU and RAM is what really sold me since those are the 3 most important things you need when doing 3D scenes/animations and rendering them out. I know a lot of 3D artists that have the same mindset. Don't get me wrong, if I had the money to shell out for a bad ass machine I probably would've gone with a Boxx mobile workstation. But since I'm on a budget I was willing to give up the minor things. To me, eSATA etc. is not important since USB isn't giong anywhere. Either way, this discussion isn't really...constructive since we both know what we're getting :eeek2: so cheers!

mavrrick
03-08-2010, 08:22 PM
Things like the above back and forth make simply make me think of people with a s!z3 complex. What I know is this, I have had a laptop of some form or fasion for over a decade. The items that are missing from the G73Jh are the Express card slot, DVI, Esata, IEEE1394A, and a Line-in jack. I have used my laptop for allot of things over the years rangeing from a dev platform, Test Server, Home theater PC, Portable Gaming pc(before they were really being setup that way), for college, yata yata.

Well express card is kinda of a dieing thing, especially once USB 3.0 is out. I haven't used one of them since network and Wifi were integrated so many years ago. DVI is a dead connection as well. You may find in occasionally on TV's but because of HDCP requirements it won't be around much longer. Esata will possibly be gone soon as well once usb 3.0 realy takes off. and to be honest i don't really see the pont of draggin around a external enclouser for somethign that is suppose to be semi portable. The old IEE1394a interface has been dead for awhile. Yea a few things use it but not much in the pc world anymore, and again once USB 3.0 takes off it will be long gone. A line in jack. Really is that something to fret over.

The key is Asus really took a look at what people will use and didn't include crap legacy stuff that won't add any value for 98% of the people out there. The only spot I feel the screwed up is that they left off USB 3.0. I would gladly pay 100$ more if it included USB 3.0.

powerpack
03-08-2010, 08:29 PM
I will consider that as I have been wondering about exactly that. I have Express card never used on current computer. Did use some PCMCIA in the past. I have ESATA never used. I also have had IEE1394 on my last 2 notebooks and never used?

Maverick494
03-08-2010, 10:14 PM
Things like the above back and forth make simply make me think of people with a s!z3 complex. What I know is this, I have had a laptop of some form or fasion for over a decade. The items that are missing from the G73Jh are the Express card slot, DVI, Esata, IEEE1394A, and a Line-in jack. I have used my laptop for allot of things over the years rangeing from a dev platform, Test Server, Home theater PC, Portable Gaming pc(before they were really being setup that way), for college, yata yata.

Well express card is kinda of a dieing thing, especially once USB 3.0 is out. I haven't used one of them since network and Wifi were integrated so many years ago. DVI is a dead connection as well. You may find in occasionally on TV's but because of HDCP requirements it won't be around much longer. Esata will possibly be gone soon as well once usb 3.0 realy takes off. and to be honest i don't really see the pont of draggin around a external enclouser for somethign that is suppose to be semi portable. The old IEE1394a interface has been dead for awhile. Yea a few things use it but not much in the pc world anymore, and again once USB 3.0 takes off it will be long gone. A line in jack. Really is that something to fret over.

The key is Asus really took a look at what people will use and didn't include crap legacy stuff that won't add any value for 98% of the people out there. The only spot I feel the screwed up is that they left off USB 3.0. I would gladly pay 100$ more if it included USB 3.0.


So you are saying the with USB 3.0 available why didn't they include it. Well at least with the Sager I can use this (http://www.startech.com/item/ECUSB3S2-2-Port-ExpressCard-SuperSpeed-USB-3-Card-Adapter.aspx) and have USB 3.0, but with the ASUS I can't.

BTW the freting is more concerning the fact that the ASUS used DDR3 1066 instead of 1333 and an i7-720QM instead of an i7-820QM when compared to the Sager 8760. If you upgrade the Asus and Sager to be more comparably equiped they cost nearly the same price, with the sager being slightly lower.

The bottom line to me is that once you hit a price point of about 1800 the sager becomes a better option for a few reasons. (RAID being one of those)

PTCoakley
03-09-2010, 03:59 AM
USB 3 will take years before it becomes a standard, much like the switch from USB to USB 2. And as Maverick has said, you can simply purchase a card that allows you to take advantage of the technology when it will matter with the Sager, and the Asus will be unable to do so. It's the little things that the Sager does that made me cancel my G73 order (I won't lie though, the wait definitely impacted my decision as well) and go with an 8760. The Sager simply does more, but at a cost.

bo1ka
03-09-2010, 08:31 AM
Related to the subject of this discussion, why is having the ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5870 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 cheaper than having nVidia GeForce GTX 285M 1,024MB PCI-Express GDDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable) ( + 55 )? I think the ATI is better in terms of specs and still one have to pay 55$ for an upgrade to the nividia. Is this worth the money?

kingtz
03-09-2010, 08:41 AM
I'm going to guess that ATI released the HD5870 with a lower MSRP to be competitive with an already established GTX280/285M. Either way, I'm not complaining! :smile2:

bo1ka
03-09-2010, 09:00 AM
I'm going to guess that ATI released the HD5870 with a lower MSRP to be competitive with an already established GTX280/285M. Either way, I'm not complaining! :smile2:

How much did you pay for your laptop?

kingtz
03-09-2010, 09:16 AM
How much did you pay for your laptop?

Around $1550 with the HDD upgrade and no OS.

mavrrick
03-09-2010, 09:41 AM
So you are saying the with USB 3.0 available why didn't they include it. Well at least with the Sager I can use this (http://www.startech.com/item/ECUSB3S2-2-Port-ExpressCard-SuperSpeed-USB-3-Card-Adapter.aspx) and have USB 3.0, but with the ASUS I can't.

BTW the freting is more concerning the fact that the ASUS used DDR3 1066 instead of 1333 and an i7-720QM instead of an i7-820QM when compared to the Sager 8760. If you upgrade the Asus and Sager to be more comparably equiped they cost nearly the same price, with the sager being slightly lower.

The bottom line to me is that once you hit a price point of about 1800 the sager becomes a better option for a few reasons. (RAID being one of those)

USB 3.0 will be out in due time, and I would be willing to put money on the fact you won't buy a Express Card for USB3.0. As a mater of fact i would be willing to put money on the fact you probably won't ever fill it.

As far as the Sagar not coming with a 720, I would be willing to bet again that is just intelligent marketing over anything else. Why would Xotic show how little the price drop it would be and make it look that much worse when compared with the G73JH. If they showed it with a 720 it would make the pricing even look more out there.

As i think someone else has mentioned the difference in memory speed is actually very negligable. It is just something that markeitng folks use to fool people into thinking they are getting much more for their money. Sure faster is better, but in real world performance the difference is less the 2% if that even.

I am not saying the Sager is a bad machine. I just completely dissagree with your comments about why the Asus machine is lacking and only for someone that does games. The asus is a great machine. It lacks options very few people will used. What makes the Asus machine appealing is it's base configuration to price. In that base config there is really almost nothing missing.

Yes Raid is missing, but raid in a laptop is a bit foolish now a days. A raid setup in a laptop means you are using two just slow 2.5inch drives to try to get the equivilant performance of a essentially a single 3.5 inch drive in a desktop. If disk performance is your concern Raid isn't the answer in a laptop, SSD is. Yes that is more costly but it will reach considerably better performance level then any 2 laptop hard drives in raid.

The prices on the Asus do get a bit screwy when you start upgrading everything. Just upgrading the CPU alone can kill the value. There is no debating that. But the assertion that the Asus is for gaming and for those that don't need a profesional machine is just wrong.

It is as though your posts are just about hey i got this and that and i can do more then you because i have stuff you don't. Sometimes haveing a better understanding of how these things really works can help clairfy their usefullness.

Mekhit
03-09-2010, 09:46 AM
USB 3.0 will be out in due time, and I would be willing to put money on the fact you won't buy a Express Card for USB3.0. As a mater of fact i would be willing to put money on the fact you probably won't ever fill it.

As far as the Sagar not coming with a 720, I would be willing to bet again that is just intelligent marketing over anything else. Why would Xotic show how little the price drop it would be and make it look that much worse when compared with the G73JH. If they showed it with a 720 it would make the pricing even look more out there.

As i think someone else has mentioned the difference in memory speed is actually very negligable. It is just something that markeitng folks use to fool people into thinking they are getting much more for their money. Sure faster is better, but in real world performance the difference is less the 2% if that even.

I am not saying the Sager is a bad machine. I just completely dissagree with your comments about why the Asus machine is lacking and only for someone that does games. The asus is a great machine. It lacks options very few people will used. What makes the Asus machine appealing is it's base configuration to price. In that base config there is really almost nothing missing.

Yes Raid is missing, but raid in a laptop is a bit foolish now a days. A raid setup in a laptop means you are using two just slow 2.5inch drives to try to get the equivilant performance of a essentially a single 3.5 inch drive in a desktop. If disk performance is your concern Raid isn't the answer in a laptop, SSD is. Yes that is more costly but it will reach considerably better performance level then any 2 laptop hard drives in raid.

The prices on the Asus do get a bit screwy when you start upgrading everything. Just upgrading the CPU alone can kill the value. There is no debating that. But the assertion that the Asus is for gaming and for those that don't need a profesional machine is just wrong.

It is as though your posts are just about hey i got this and that and i can do more then you because i have stuff you don't. Sometimes haveing a better understanding of how these things really works can help clairfy their usefullness.

This is the point I have been trying to make, but I think you put it in much better words.

bo1ka
03-09-2010, 09:57 AM
Around $1550 with the HDD upgrade and no OS.

Good price, what state are you from, the price you stated is tax free and it also included free shipment?

kingtz
03-09-2010, 10:02 AM
Good price, what state are you from, the price you stated is tax free and it also included free shipment?

I'm in California. There's no tax as it ships from out of state for me, and shipping was $28 on top of that.

bo1ka
03-09-2010, 10:12 AM
I'm in California. There's no tax as it ships from out of state for me, and shipping was $28 on top of that.

Thank you for you quick replies, I have asked you all these questions because, I am not american but I will be traveling to the US (and in California) in the next month. How long did it take for them to build your custom-ed laptop and the time it took to get to you? Have you tried it on demanding games, can you give me more feedback on how smooth it runs, and some cons if you have found any.

Tank's again.

mavrrick
03-09-2010, 10:18 AM
I actually had debated both quite a bit. The big problem I had is i was coming from a Inspiron 8600 which when i got it was a great laptop. It has been put through the ringer though.. and is finally on it's last leg. I got it right before gaming laptops really went crazy. The form factor of it is great. Compact 15.4" uxga screen top end proc and connectivity at the time. and an 3+ hour battery life. It was a nice change from a desktop replacement unit I had prior. What really did in the Sager for me was the battery life. They are very powerful units but battery on them is goign to be a problem if it matters at all to you.

I really miss Voodoo PC. I didn't know about Xotic till recently but knew of Voodoo and trolled their boards a long time ago. They had an amazing ability to put allot of graphics power into a small thin battery friendly design. I haven't seen the level of customer service from another company until now :)

kingtz
03-09-2010, 10:19 AM
Thank you for you quick replies, I have asked you all these questions because, I am not american but I will be traveling to the US (and in California) in the next month. How long did it take for them to build your custom-ed laptop and the time it took to get to you? Have you tried it on demanding games, can you give me more feedback on how smooth it runs, and some cons if you have found any.

Tank's again.

Well, I just ordered the system yesterday, so I haven't played around with it first hand.

But this thread should answer a lot of your questions:
http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=5084

Mekhit
03-09-2010, 10:30 AM
I actually had debated both quite a bit. The big problem I had is i was coming from a Inspiron 8600 which when i got it was a great laptop. It has been put through the ringer though.. and is finally on it's last leg. I got it right before gaming laptops really went crazy. The form factor of it is great. Compact 15.4" uxga screen top end proc and connectivity at the time. and an 3+ hour battery life. It was a nice change from a desktop replacement unit I had prior. What really did in the Sager for me was the battery life. They are very powerful units but battery on them is goign to be a problem if it matters at all to you.

I really miss Voodoo PC. I didn't know about Xotic till recently but knew of Voodoo and trolled their boards a long time ago. They had an amazing ability to put allot of graphics power into a small thin battery friendly design. I haven't seen the level of customer service from another company until now :)

Honestly, I was on a budget of under 1600 so the Asus was the best deal for my money, hence why I went with that. Hell, if I had a lot more funds I probably would've gone with a Boxx mobile workstation. :biggrin:

Maverick494
03-10-2010, 11:57 AM
Honestly, I was on a budget of under 1600 so the Asus was the best deal for my money, hence why I went with that. Hell, if I had a lot more funds I probably would've gone with a Boxx mobile workstation. :biggrin:

ZOMG SHIPPED! will update with benches asap.

jbermi
03-10-2010, 12:58 PM
ZOMG SHIPPED! will update with benches asap.

would like your first impressions, benchmarks, etc. I still plan on getting one shortly.

bosschex
03-10-2010, 08:24 PM
I just recently ordered a np8690 without an OS. This might be a newbie question but... Will I be able to install my windows 7 ultimate student license on it? I figured out that it is an upgrade version (because it said pre-existing os upgrade or something). So should I return it and get a full version of it? Or could just do a fresh install, would it work that way?

Maverick494
03-10-2010, 11:43 PM
I just recently ordered a np8690 without an OS. This might be a newbie question but... Will I be able to install my windows 7 ultimate student license on it? I figured out that it is an upgrade version (because it said pre-existing os upgrade or something). So should I return it and get a full version of it? Or could just do a fresh install, would it work that way?
well you could try downloading the full version .iso from one of these links (http://techpp.com/2009/11/11/download-windows-7-iso-official-direct-download-links/) on another PC and then using that .iso to burn a full version install disc. Once you do that you can then use your serial on the upgrade media and see if it works.

erwinzeez
05-10-2010, 02:27 AM
well you could try downloading the full version .iso from one of these links (http://techpp.com/2009/11/11/download-windows-7-iso-official-direct-download-links/) on another PC and then using that .iso to burn a full version install disc. Once you do that you can then use your serial on the upgrade media and see if it works.

where is the link
the link you share is not working at my side