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ishmaeldb
02-24-2010, 02:13 PM
Are all windows 7's the same? If I install it, will it be free from all free offer stuff? I would just order it installed except I have some gift cards that I could use for the operating system, lowering the purchase price of the computer.

Thanks

ishmaeldb

carlobee
02-24-2010, 09:51 PM
Technically, not all Windows 7 are the same since the OS has different versions.

You might want to check this one from Microsoft. A comparison of the different versions of Windows 7.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/compare/default.aspx

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drremi
02-25-2010, 01:22 PM
ishmaeldb,
If you mean is Windows 7 alone is free of the junk software that comes with the laptop ...yes!
Win 7 pre loaded on the Laptops do come with free stuff, and it can be uninstall.

I purchased an OEM version from another company , but will leave the copy pre installed and clean up the stuff i don't want!

Hope that answered your question! :smile2:

Anewbus
02-25-2010, 03:54 PM
A small clarification here:
With the exception of Asus, the Sagers and such offered at XoticPC do NOT come loaded with bloatware! That is one of the main reasons I got my lappy from Xotic. (the rest of the stuff out there, Dell, HP, etc. come with so much bloatware that it actually slows down your system and even restricts functions on occasion).
Asus is the exception to the rule at XoticPC, but it is outside Xotic's control and Xotic is not tickled about that, but they can't do anything about it at this time.
That said, I do not know the extent of bloatware Asus loads. It may not be too bad.
Yes, bloatware is next to impossible to get rid of unless you completely wipe the drive and load a clean version. Of course, you can't do that unless you also get a new HDD and fresh OS because MS still makes it so that you can only load once on one HDD. At least that's the case with XP, I don't want to imagine what they did with Win 7!

jayyy
02-28-2010, 07:05 PM
I'd purchased mine with home edition just like everyone else.
because upgrading it to win7 pro only costs $80ish.
whereas if you upgrade upon customizing it's over $100 diff.

powerpack
02-28-2010, 08:09 PM
You can wipe and load any OEM copy of Windows as many times as you want you can even change the HDD as many times as you like. The license is tied to the MoBo so under eula agreement all is fine if the same MoBo. Now if you do a lot or change components you could have to contact M$ but that is easy and painless and is the exception not the rule.

Advantage of retail version of any M$ OS is the ability to install on as many different systems as you want so long as it is only one at a time. Retail is not tied to MoBo or any other system component. There are a few other licenses that allow different usage. Oh and retail version M$ will support OEM not. Be careful even if you buy Windows separate you get the type (OEM/retail) you want. OEM cost less even when bought on their own.

I did not find an obscene amount of bloatware on my Asus. Found the usual 90 day office trial. Free adobe reader. Some very useful Asus utilities for my notebook. Power setting application unique to Asus vs the Windows general version.

Good luck all.

Anewbus
03-01-2010, 09:56 AM
You can wipe and load any OEM copy of Windows as many times as you want you can even change the HDD as many times as you like. The license is tied to the MoBo so under eula agreement all is fine if the same MoBo. Now if you do a lot or change components you could have to contact M$ but that is easy and painless and is the exception not the rule.

Advantage of retail version of any M$ OS is the ability to install on as many different systems as you want so long as it is only one at a time. Retail is not tied to MoBo or any other system component. There are a few other licenses that allow different usage. Oh and retail version M$ will support OEM not. Be careful even if you buy Windows separate you get the type (OEM/retail) you want. OEM cost less even when bought on their own.

I did not find an obscene amount of bloatware on my Asus. Found the usual 90 day office trial. Free adobe reader. Some very useful Asus utilities for my notebook. Power setting application unique to Asus vs the Windows general version.

Good luck all.

Did MS change the rules recently? I know with XP it's one HDD, one time and that's it. I've tried just installing a new HDD keeping everything else the same and when I went to install XP again I got a message saying to call MS which I did and they wanted $150!!! That's why I thought it was tied to the HDD. Is WIN 7 different? If what you describe is true that would be nice should one ever have to change the HDD or anything but the MOBO. I refuse to call MS anymore for any reason!

By the way, I may have been thinking of the "recovery OS disc" Asus now includes with their machines instead of the official version of the OS when I was talking about bloatware on the Asus models, my bad.:-/

Maverick494
03-07-2010, 02:52 PM
Did MS change the rules recently? I know with XP it's one HDD, one time and that's it. I've tried just installing a new HDD keeping everything else the same and when I went to install XP again I got a message saying to call MS which I did and they wanted $150!!! That's why I thought it was tied to the HDD. Is WIN 7 different? If what you describe is true that would be nice should one ever have to change the HDD or anything but the MOBO. I refuse to call MS anymore for any reason!

By the way, I may have been thinking of the "recovery OS disc" Asus now includes with their machines instead of the official version of the OS when I was talking about bloatware on the Asus models, my bad.:-/

Do you seriously call and tell them you have it installed on more than one system??? why would you? When they ask how many systems you have this installed on tell them 1. I do this when I want to not pay 150 dollars per system in my house just to get the same damn thing I already bought for 150 dollars. Now I wouldn't install this on systems other than any that are physically in my house and belong to me, but I see no reason that I should have to pay MS for a copy of windows for every PC that I own, I paid them once and I should be able to install the OS on every system that is MINE. (I have a HTPC and 2 laptops that have 1 copy of windows on them atm)

MS did get a little smarter this time in offering a 3 computer upgrade pack for 149.00, but that is just an upgrade pack so you can only use it if you have an OS previously.

People need to think just a little bit outside the box sometimes and stop forking over 300+ dollars to MS just because they have 2+ systems in their house.

powerpack
03-07-2010, 03:15 PM
OK Retail and OEM are the important words today. Maverick let's play nice today? As it is Sunday and this is a crunk day?
http://www.flynntechsolutions.com/crunk.gif

Anewbus
03-07-2010, 04:02 PM
Do you seriously call and tell them you have it installed on more than one system??? why would you? When they ask how many systems you have this installed on tell them 1. I do this when I want to not pay 150 dollars per system in my house just to get the same damn thing I already bought for 150 dollars. Now I wouldn't install this on systems other than any that are physically in my house and belong to me, but I see no reason that I should have to pay MS for a copy of windows for every PC that I own, I paid them once and I should be able to install the OS on every system that is MINE. (I have a HTPC and 2 laptops that have 1 copy of windows on them atm)

MS did get a little smarter this time in offering a 3 computer upgrade pack for 149.00, but that is just an upgrade pack so you can only use it if you have an OS previously.

People need to think just a little bit outside the box sometimes and stop forking over 300+ dollars to MS just because they have 2+ systems in their house.

Of I would not tell them I'd like to install on more than one PC. (I only would install on systems I own). No, the problem is that you can only install on one HDD, it flat will not let you install on any more. So if you have to install a new HDD on your system, it won't let you load WINDOWS on the new HDD if you already had it on the old HDD.

powerpack
03-07-2010, 04:12 PM
OK this was in my clip board so here it is. But Anew I am going to look up the Windows Eula.
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powerpack
03-07-2010, 04:36 PM
This gives me a headache. But trust me regardless of what M$ says it is the MoBo not the HDD but have a look/see.

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powerpack
03-07-2010, 04:36 PM
Delete!!!!!!!!

Maverick494
03-07-2010, 06:06 PM
Of I would not tell them I'd like to install on more than one PC. (I only would install on systems I own). No, the problem is that you can only install on one HDD, it flat will not let you install on any more. So if you have to install a new HDD on your system, it won't let you load WINDOWS on the new HDD if you already had it on the old HDD.

Ah I see what your issue is, you had a dual hard drive system that you installed windows to. 1 failed or you bought a newer, faster, bigger, etc. one and you want to install it but the second hard drive is preventing you from installing it because windows 7 puts system files on both drives even if they are not raid.

So what I did in this case when I had a friend that had a similar issue is: I unplugged the existing drive, installed windows on the new primary drive, plugged the other drive back in after completion. It seemed to work fine and I haven't had a phone call saying they had an issue getting to their files on the other drive. This could be a little more fun with a laptop because you'd have to pop open the drive bay, but it should still work.

If the above is not the case, how would the DVD that is has no record of the hard drive you put it on prevent you from installing it to more than one hard drive?

Maverick494
03-07-2010, 06:14 PM
OK Retail and OEM are the important words today. Maverick let's play nice today? As it is Sunday and this is a crunk day?
http://www.flynntechsolutions.com/crunk.gif

btw wtf are you talking about play nice? OEM and retail have no bearing on this. The software is the same, unless it is special install media that is a restore disc and not just a base copy of windows that was originally supplied to a builder that they either sold or packaged with a system.

The restore disc phenomenon didn't start up until about 4-5 years ago, prior to that all systems came with a copy of windows. Now its hit and miss, sometimes you get an OEM copy of windows and sometimes you get a system restore disc that includes the operating system.

Heck you can even buy OEM copies of the windows OS from many internet retailers. These are not restore discs and have no difference between them and the more expensive retail packaged software, except the packaging.

Bling
04-15-2010, 12:14 PM
ok im confused just ordered my asus g73

first laptop btw

cant wait

i ordered the asus recovery disc

lets say some windows file becomes corrupted badly
and have to reinstall windows

do i just put in the system recovery disc i paid 19 extra for and it will reinstall windows and everything else that came in the laptop as i got it shipped from xotic?

when would i need a copy of an actual windows 7 disc? i wont buy retail at that price and dont know anyone with windows 7 do i just need to burn an iso and the number on the sticker on the laptop as the serial number for the win7 iso to work?

bargegod
04-15-2010, 01:25 PM
also another tip, if u use a w7 recovery cd to load it on another one of ur OWN pc's, i hv noticed that the verification key code will not sinc properly and it will tell u the verification key code is incorrect... i got around that and verified windows to authenticate via the toll free automated system u call. takes about 5 minutes, but it worked on my other 2 pc's in the house...lol

jbermi
04-15-2010, 01:57 PM
ok im confused just ordered my asus g73

first laptop btw

cant wait

i ordered the asus recovery disc

lets say some windows file becomes corrupted badly
and have to reinstall windows

do i just put in the system recovery disc i paid 19 extra for and it will reinstall windows and everything else that came in the laptop as i got it shipped from xotic?

when would i need a copy of an actual windows 7 disc? i wont buy retail at that price and dont know anyone with windows 7 do i just need to burn an iso and the number on the sticker on the laptop as the serial number for the win7 iso to work?


if you email Joseph @ xotic, he can give you a walk through for doing a clean install of windows (no bloat) from the Recovery disc they(xotic) make for you. I do intend on getting the walkthrough...eventually. lol.

BD2021
04-15-2010, 02:17 PM
ok im confused just ordered my asus g73

first laptop btw

cant wait

i ordered the asus recovery disc

lets say some windows file becomes corrupted badly
and have to reinstall windows

do i just put in the system recovery disc i paid 19 extra for and it will reinstall windows and everything else that came in the laptop as i got it shipped from xotic?

when would i need a copy of an actual windows 7 disc? i wont buy retail at that price and dont know anyone with windows 7 do i just need to burn an iso and the number on the sticker on the laptop as the serial number for the win7 iso to work?
with the restore disk you should be able to "restore" everything back to the way it was when it shipped to you from xoticpc. if you just want to load win 7 there are ways to do that as well (boot disk for instance) and I believe that there is actually a way to do this with the xoticpc provided restore disk + drivers/utilities disk as jbermi said.

edit: note that restoring a system will delete anything saved on that hdd to the best of my knowledge (or at least in that partition b/c it has to be reformatted), so when possible its better to try and repair the damage rather than restoring.