G73 Pre-Order Wait List

[D Luniz]

Hey whats up guys Asus just sent me a message cause they want me to call them to comfirm certain thing.... Almost PHASE 2 it means...
they sent a message on a sat?

[gizborne]

they sent a message on a sat?

well it was more like yesturday >_< sorry

[JCL622]

cool, i didnt know Xotic had a forum. (Hi everyone)

so...i ordered the G73JH-A2 on 4/16.....lol so based on that wait list i'm gonna see this sucker in...the end of June?!?!? O_O

As of:
5/22 - Phase I

[Solkaris]

did you order stock or modified?

[gadzooks64]

You would think that with only the netword card being changed it would be closer to the 9 day mark and not the 16 day mark as they estimated for you. Hard to say though because it sounds like they are working on a lot of stuff there right now. Good luck to you, I hope you get phase 4 this week. I guess you will give me an idea of what my wait will be like since it seems we ordered the same thing.

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking but that's not turning out to the be the case.

Maybe this move is having an impact after all.

Trust me, you guys will be the first to know when I hit phase 4. :D

[JCL622]

did you order stock or modified?

i dont think too far from the stock? - it's been nearly a month since i ordered it don't quite remember what i had changed since the order status screen just shows the bulk of everything included.

I think this is what isn't stock:
Ram: 8,192MB (8GB) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2GBx4)
Optical Drive: - 2X/4X Blu-Ray Reader + 8X DVDRW/CDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
Wireless Network: -Intel® Advanced-N 6200 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module

[Solkaris]

ok not stock .. the amount of not stock doesn't matter. So even when you hit phase 2 your still 10-14 days from hitting phase 4 .. so your probably at least a month out considering. Anyone have a better guess on that?

[GCTuba]

ummm, Kiwi has me put down as phase 2...? im definitely still have phase 1 unfortunately...
asus g73 vip reservation list(update)


APR 2010
121)nikolai09-4/1/2010 -A1 (cancelled) :)
122)gizborne-4/2/2010
-------moekz-04/02/10 (phase 2)
123)slowboto-4/2/2010 (phase 2) -active user
124)courtesyflushplox 4/3/2010 (phase 4)
125)powerpack- 4/4/10 -order 2 (phase 4)-active user
126)borfswitch-4/4/2010 (phase 4)
127)chyrosNX -4/4/2010 (phase 2) -active user
128)gstboy-4/4/2010 (cancelled) :)
129)supertony-4/5/2010
130)E24pipeman-4/5/2010 -active user (welcome back)
131)derrific-4/6/2010 (cancelled) :)
---------knothead-4/6/2010
132)p schneider-4/6/2010 (phase 4)-active userproud owner of asus g73 since(5/17/2010)
-------------RMMIX-4/7/2010 (with skin)
------------th0ught-4/8/2010 A2 (phase 1)
133)spark-4/8/2010 (phase 2)
134)ryukenden-4/9/2010 (phase 2) -active user
135)cppmonkey-4/9/2010 (phase 2) UK(europe)
136)smothvirus-4/10/2010 (phase 4)
137)hatesnoobs-4/10/2010
138)D luniz-4/10/2010 -active user
139)bling-4/10/2010 (phase 4)
140)TOV priest-4/10/2010
141)lorelives-4/10/2010 (phase 4)
142)salrog-4/10/2010 -active user
143)thewillnotsing-4/10/2010
144)templarjay-4/11/2010
145)dimgt-4/11/2010 (phase 2) -active user
146)spinman-4/11/2010 Phase 1 A1
147)bd2021-4/12/2010
148)lowell64-4/12/2010
149)plateCaptain-4/13/2010
150)h14who6 (phase 4)
151)KTT-4/14/2010
152)gctuba-4/15/2010 (phase 2) -active user ----------------------------------------------------------(phase 2)------------
153)awsam007- 4/16/2010 -active user
------trekinjenn-4/18/2010
154)JAK0124-4/19/2010 -active user -girls
155)bigbadray2k-4/20/2010 -A2
156)trish-4/21/2010 phase 1 -girls
----------------zeroG -4/22/2010 (phase 4)-----------------( going to get it soon Phase 4) --------------------------------
157)vii19 - 4/25/2010 (new) -active user
158)timcsaw-4/26/2010
159)jumper45-4/26/2010
160)smpsn-4/27/2010 phase 1
161)driver505-4/28/2010 (phase 1)
162)jordanjay-4/28/2010 -active user
163)ghostwolf- 4/29/2010



MAY 2010
164)corvustech -5/2/2010 -active user (cancelled) :)
165)darkphox-5/2/2010
166)solkaris -5/3/2010 A1 -active user
167)soundmadbran-5/3/2010 (phase 1)
168)v12vanquish-5/4/2010 (phase 1)
169)kagamin -5/4/2010
170)hereticsubhero-5/4/2010
171)TENSHIGURe-5/6/2010
172)kiwi_pig-5/7/2010 A1 (phase 1) -list keeper -active user (cancelled) :(
173)kaCex-5/10/2010
174)jcook1-5/10/2010-------------------------might get it on june----------------------------------------


june 2010
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meaning of each COLOUR
1)green-phase 4/shipped
2)brown-active user/lucky bastard
3)teal -SWITCHED/cancelled/date unknown :)
4)purple-shipment/line for phase 4/month(date)
5)red-number
6)blue-new owner of asus g73
7)pink-girls
8)sky blue-phase 2/ line for phase 2

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justin w
Right now the update that we're providing for any pending/new G73JH order is an approximate wait time of 4-6 weeks from your order date.

Once we have a model for your specific order it will then take 5-9 business days for customized models, while stock models generally ship within 1-3 business days.


Kiwi feel free to post this information in your list that you update. :)
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1-877-289-9684 Ext. 515
justinw@xoticpc.com (justinw@xoticpc.com)



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shipment date
-5th of apr(asus shipment) (will be send in multiple shipment throughout the month april .This shipment might
cover up feb and the 1-2 week of march order)

-19 of apr shipment (small shipment)

-29th of apr (asus shipment)(another new shipment is coming in )


kiwi_pig :) :) :) give me some reputation point :) :):)



if you are not in the list please update me again, my last list got deleted by justin cause i include the list with order number. all i need is your name/phase/date :)

[BD2021]

ok guys (and gals?), i'm getting a skin put on my g73 and trying to decide between these 2:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/th_grimreaperbiohazard.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/?action=view&current=grimreaperbiohazard.jpg)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/th_diablocopy.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/?action=view&current=diablocopy.jpg)

[ryukenden]

second one.

Also whose that received their laptop from April shipment, what ram did you get? kiwi said its 1333

[Trish]

cool, i didnt know Xotic had a forum. (Hi everyone)

so...i ordered the G73JH-A2 on 4/16.....lol so based on that wait list i'm gonna see this sucker in...the end of June?!?!? O_O

As of:
5/22 - Phase I


You have a bit of a wait I ordered 4/22 and yet to hit phase 2 but compared to what the waits were this is nothing :)

[Slowboto]

ok guys (and gals?), i'm getting a skin put on my g73 and trying to decide between these 2:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/th_grimreaperbiohazard.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/?action=view&current=grimreaperbiohazard.jpg)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/th_diablocopy.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/BlackDragon2021/?action=view&current=diablocopy.jpg)

They are both cool, so either way you will have a nice one.

Really can't say which I would prefer though.

[Slowboto]

ok not stock .. the amount of not stock doesn't matter. So even when you hit phase 2 your still 10-14 days from hitting phase 4 .. so your probably at least a month out considering. Anyone have a better guess on that?

Yeah, a month out sounds about right for now. Might be longer. Right now I'm estimating my wait to be three weeks after finally getting into phase 2 on Friday. Figure two weeks for my upgrades and then the third week for shipping. Then again if they are far behind it could be three weeks just to get my network card changed. Still hard to estimate because a lot of the users who switched phases in the past few weeks were stock orders. We'll see how long it takes for me and gadzooks to move to phase 4 and then the board will have a better idea on wait times for network card upgrades. Then we have some others also upgrading the processors so that will tell us how long that is taking.

[timcsaw]

OK....

So I ordered my Stock A2 on 04/26/2010 (credit card purchase) and received my Phase 1 Email immediately.

Any guesses as to when I'll have mine in my hands?

[VII19]

OK....

So I ordered my Stock A2 on 04/26/2010 (credit card purchase) and received my Phase 1 Email immediately.

Any guesses as to when I'll have mine in my hands?

Best guess would be 2nd/3rd week of June.
Mine looks like 3rd/4th week of June since I ordered with the wireless upgrade. We ordered the same day, so I'm sure we'll both go Phase 2 roughly the same day/week.

[FallingComa]

I received the 1333 RAM, got mine May 1st

[powerpack]

Recieved 5/14 1333MHz.

[p_schneider]

second one.

Also whose that received their laptop from April shipment, what ram did you get? kiwi said its 1333
1333 for me too

[CorvusTech]

Well guys, be ready for a little time after you receive the laptop for shipping to start over again for you.

I got my G73 on 5/21 and have LOVED it. While getting some things to work on Win7 that I've had on XP before was a challenge, it all went fine.

Until I dared restart the computer. Something I'd done many times before on this machine with great success just ruined my entire week.

Apparently, there's a problem with the controller for the LCD itself. Resolution changes, including the one when you first turn on the computer and begin to boot into Windows, can cause the screen to spaz, permanently damaging the image, which will then show inverted colors on the right side and data garbage on the left side (scrambled lines, etc), each half of the screen divided evenly. The only way to get your data off the machine is to plug in an external monitor (which will, incidentally, still work perfectly).

This is a known and growing issue with the G73 and there are a few vids on youtube about it. It's being called the PSOD, or Psychedelic Screen of Death, because of the inverse color on the right side of the screen. Apparently the failure rate is high; some people go a weekend, others a month, but it seems to be hitting a lot of owners.

ASUS is resolving it by replacing the screen, though there has been at least one complaint that the image quality was inferior or not calibrated on the new screen. Time for an RMA, lets hope for the best...

[Slowboto]

Well guys, be ready for a little time after you receive the laptop for shipping to start over again for you.

I got my G73 on 5/21 and have LOVED it. While getting some things to work on Win7 that I've had on XP before was a challenge, it all went fine.

Until I dared restart the computer. Something I'd done many times before on this machine with great success just ruined my entire week.

Apparently, there's a problem with the controller for the LCD itself. Resolution changes, including the one when you first turn on the computer and begin to boot into Windows, can cause the screen to spaz, permanently damaging the image, which will then show inverted colors on the right side and data garbage on the left side (scrambled lines, etc), each half of the screen divided evenly. The only way to get your data off the machine is to plug in an external monitor (which will, incidentally, still work perfectly).

This is a known and growing issue with the G73 and there are a few vids on youtube about it. It's being called the PSOD, or Psychedelic Screen of Death, because of the inverse color on the right side of the screen. Apparently the failure rate is high; some people go a weekend, others a month, but it seems to be hitting a lot of owners.

ASUS is resolving it by replacing the screen, though there has been at least one complaint that the image quality was inferior or not calibrated on the new screen. Time for an RMA, lets hope for the best...

Ugh, that news sucks a bit.

[CorvusTech]

Ugh, that news sucks a bit.


This won't be fun either, then;

I did some research; some resellers are reporting 15% RMA rates due to this and related issues. Keep in mind; this excludes RMA's sent directly through Asus.

Also, some users are complaining they have to send the laptop back twice; once for the original problem, and once because the laptop returned to them with a 1366x768 or 1680x1050 display in place of the 1920x1200. Others are complaining that the RMA its in "waiting' status because there aren't enough monitors to resolve the repairs. I'll be watching for that sort of fubar....


For now, I'm using an external monitor to get everything off the drive. I was supposed to have this for work this week. I'm hosed.

[JKA0124]

I've heard of the PSOD a lot and worried about it. Meh. I'm going to take my chances I suppose.

[jbermi]

Well guys, be ready for a little time after you receive the laptop for shipping to start over again for you.

I got my G73 on 5/21 and have LOVED it. While getting some things to work on Win7 that I've had on XP before was a challenge, it all went fine.

Until I dared restart the computer. Something I'd done many times before on this machine with great success just ruined my entire week.

Apparently, there's a problem with the controller for the LCD itself. Resolution changes, including the one when you first turn on the computer and begin to boot into Windows, can cause the screen to spaz, permanently damaging the image, which will then show inverted colors on the right side and data garbage on the left side (scrambled lines, etc), each half of the screen divided evenly. The only way to get your data off the machine is to plug in an external monitor (which will, incidentally, still work perfectly).

This is a known and growing issue with the G73 and there are a few vids on youtube about it. It's being called the PSOD, or Psychedelic Screen of Death, because of the inverse color on the right side of the screen. Apparently the failure rate is high; some people go a weekend, others a month, but it seems to be hitting a lot of owners.

ASUS is resolving it by replacing the screen, though there has been at least one complaint that the image quality was inferior or not calibrated on the new screen. Time for an RMA, lets hope for the best...

i think this is the 4th reported PSOD on the forums. that's gotta suck. wonder what the overall failure rate is, and if it also has to do with the brand of LCD, too. I know ASUS uses both LG and AUO screens and it depends on manufacture date I think as to which screen you get. my N71 has a AUO screen where as early ones had a LG. be interesting to know what screens have PSOD'ed, whether they are LG or AUO. it may or may not have anything to do with PSOD but would be interesting.

[Maverick494]

Well guys, be ready for a little time after you receive the laptop for shipping to start over again for you.

I got my G73 on 5/21 and have LOVED it. While getting some things to work on Win7 that I've had on XP before was a challenge, it all went fine.

Until I dared restart the computer. Something I'd done many times before on this machine with great success just ruined my entire week.

Apparently, there's a problem with the controller for the LCD itself. Resolution changes, including the one when you first turn on the computer and begin to boot into Windows, can cause the screen to spaz, permanently damaging the image, which will then show inverted colors on the right side and data garbage on the left side (scrambled lines, etc), each half of the screen divided evenly. The only way to get your data off the machine is to plug in an external monitor (which will, incidentally, still work perfectly).

This is a known and growing issue with the G73 and there are a few vids on youtube about it. It's being called the PSOD, or Psychedelic Screen of Death, because of the inverse color on the right side of the screen. Apparently the failure rate is high; some people go a weekend, others a month, but it seems to be hitting a lot of owners.

ASUS is resolving it by replacing the screen, though there has been at least one complaint that the image quality was inferior or not calibrated on the new screen. Time for an RMA, lets hope for the best...

Want to know something more scary? a user here on these forums had the PSOD, RMA'd the laptop, got it back only to have it do the exact same thing again.

edit: Jbremi, my anecdotal evidence (no real hard data behind it) appears to indicate this is about 20-25% rate of failure on these machines. Asus is really the only one that would be likely to have those numbers though. The scary thought is that they may even be higher.

[ryukenden]

anyone think that the custom g73 with burn-in test eliminate chance of getting 1333 ram?

[powerpack]

No I do not see them going after the 4th slot.

[Fr0st]

Hmm, so you guys really think the failure rate is that high on the G73? I haven't had any issues yet, but I haven't really tried adjusting the resolution yet. Is that something I'm going to want to avoid?

[Slowboto]

Hmm, so you guys really think the failure rate is that high on the G73? I haven't had any issues yet, but I haven't really tried adjusting the resolution yet. Is that something I'm going to want to avoid?

Well I was going to say if you feel you might be switching resolutions at one point or another you might as well do it now and see what happens.

However if the failure rate is as high as it seems then you may want to hold off until there is less issues for them to deal with and no wait.

[powerpack]

Well I was going to say if you feel you might be switching resolutions at one point or another you might as well do it now and see what happens.

However if the failure rate is as high as it seems then you may want to hold off until there is less issues for them to deal with and no wait.The post does not indicate to me that the resolution change was voluntary but rather a symptom of the issue? Or maybe I misread.

[CorvusTech]

The post does not indicate to me that the resolution change was voluntary but rather a symptom of the issue? Or maybe I misread.

Windows 7, like most OS's, does not boot in your native resolution, and changes resolutions once its kernel finishes loading.

In other words, just turning your computer off and on risks triggering the issue.

From what I'm finding, it seems like either your screen will do it, or won't, so running a test program that changes resolutions in a loop for an hour or two might be a good way to see if you got a dud screen.

Unfortunately, I'm also finding stories of people being waitlisted for parts on the RMA, and some of people getting the laptop back, then a week later, the replacement screen doing it again and having to RMA from the start.

I wish there's some way I could tell Asus NOT to use the same manufacturer for the monitor and them actually do it...

[gstboy]

Want to know something more scary? a user here on these forums had the PSOD, RMA'd the laptop, got it back only to have it do the exact same thing again.

edit: Jbremi, my anecdotal evidence (no real hard data behind it) appears to indicate this is about 20-25% rate of failure on these machines. Asus is really the only one that would be likely to have those numbers though. The scary thought is that they may even be higher.

Yeah that would be me. The first one was treated as a DOA replacement which all they did was swap my old for a brand new one and shipped it out without turning the new one on. The new one did the same thing shortly after I got it, so with RMA #2 I'm having just the screen replaced but they will test it before they ship it back so hopefully no problems this time around.

[gstboy]

I know ASUS uses both LG and AUO screens and it depends on manufacture date I think as to which screen you get. my N71 has a AUO screen where as early ones had a LG. be interesting to know what screens have PSOD'ed, whether they are LG or AUO. it may or may not have anything to do with PSOD but would be interesting.

I think LG and AUO are in the BB models only. I believe the 1920x1080 screens are made by Hannstar. I think that's what it said when I looked at the manufacturer on mine.

[jbermi]

I think LG and AUO are in the BB models only. I believe the 1920x1080 screens are made by Hannstar. I think that's what it said when I looked at the manufacturer on mine.

it may be, the 1600x900 screens are either LG or AUO, then, since that's the resolution on mine...anyone know if those screens are having the PSOD issue? or is just the A1,A2...and i have heard the X1 or X2s have had the issue, too.

[CorvusTech]

it may be, the 1600x900 screens are either LG or AUO, then, since that's the resolution on mine...anyone know if those screens are having the PSOD issue? or is just the A1,A2...and i have heard the X1 or X2s have had the issue, too.

There's a video on YouTube of this issue occurring, but it's on the X1.

That worries me. That almost implies 5870 Mobile, not Monitor, unless it's something to do with an interface between them.

If it does turn out to be a monitor issue specific to who manufactured it, I'd happily go down to 1680x1050 in exchange for an upgrade to an SSD for the OS drive.

Then again, I'm one of those old-school people (i.e. resistant to the training that the market gives us to accept failure) that believes that if someone dares sell something that has a failure rate greater than 5%, either that someone must compensate their customers for that failure, or volunteer to show up dressed as a handcuffed, shackled Wookie to a Star Trek convention.

[jbermi]

if it was a 5870 issue, there would be sager and MSI's too having the same issue. i think the issue is between the card and screen or the screen itself. since external still works, that rules out it being the card.

[CorvusTech]

if it was a 5870 issue, there would be sager and MSI's too having the same issue. i think the issue is between the card and screen or the screen itself. since external still works, that rules out it being the card.


That's what I was thinking as I stare at the useless hulk. It's something about the interface hosing that monitor, whether it be x or a series.

That scares me more. That means replacing the monitor may just be resetting the doom clock.

[powerpack]

Doesn't the external monitor working push away from GPU is the primary issue. Putting back on the internal monitor. Just thoughts as this is all new to me.

[Solkaris]

Personally I think some of the numbers people are quoting on failures is stupid. Asus right now has the lowest 3 year failure rate of any major laptop OEM. If they were running 10+% failure .. they would shutdown production and fix it .. the cost of repairs and returns would become massive, as well as trying to fix the PR that they make shit systems.

On top of that for every guy post on the internet about his laptop failure blah blah .. you have 30 guys you wont ever post a single thing good or bad. So without actual data on numbers shipped, number of failures, LCD model etc .. we are just blowing smoke on actual size of the problem.

Now I'm not saying the failures aren't shitty. I have one on order and pray I don't have it happen. But just saying people need to step back and think before getting all worked up.

[CorvusTech]

Doesn't the external monitor working push away from GPU is the primary issue. Putting back on the internal monitor. Just thoughts as this is all new to me.


Yes, but the problem occurs on the X-series models as well, which use a different monitor. That means it's got to be something between the video card and monitor. So why the hell are they replacing monitors?

But just saying people need to step back and think before getting all worked up.


I spend over $1000 on anything, and it damn well better work. If someone right in front of me built me a computer and sold it to me for $1600 or so, and 3 days later I had this issue, they'd have 24 hours to fix it and have it back in my hands. If they didn't, they'd either be handing me my money or prepared to put it toward their hospital bill.

I have no reason to treat any business any differently. I don't care about their needs; their needs are not my problem. The customer should have the power, not the business, and if that fails to occur, the customer should be willing to fix it by any means necessary.

While the sample is not completely reliable, it is only likely to see responses from those extremely pleased, or extremely displeased. This means that yes, it will show a spike in the numbers of displeased people in the sample. However, the 15% I referenced was actually posted elsewhere by an actual reseller of this unit. 25% is probably excessive, but I'd say 17% failure is more likely, as the remaining 2% would rather purchase elsewhere and avoid conflict (affluent people with no risk in the cost).

Also, keep in mind that if this is a huge snafu on Asus's part, we wouldn't know yet. Not enough people have actually obtained them to have a sizable problem. It could be anything from a small and infrequent chip failure to something as severe as what happened with the Compaq 7470 and 7478 (the desktops that essentially were the end of Compaq being its own company). The sample size just isn't yet large enough to tell.

Now that shipping is catching up and more people are able to obtain this machine, I'm willing to bet the numbers won't at all be in Asus's favor. I'm very disappointed; this is a beautiful piece of equipment and I've been a fan of Asus since the first AMD dual cores. Unfortunately, if this turns out to be a widespread problem, I'm getting this hulk refunded and going Sager/Clevo.

[ChyrosNX]

Personally I think some of the numbers people are quoting on failures is stupid. Asus right now has the lowest 3 year failure rate of any major laptop OEM. If they were running 10+% failure .. they would shutdown production and fix it .. the cost of repairs and returns would become massive, as well as trying to fix the PR that they make shit systems.

On top of that for every guy post on the internet about his laptop failure blah blah .. you have 30 guys you wont ever post a single thing good or bad. So without actual data on numbers shipped, number of failures, LCD model etc .. we are just blowing smoke on actual size of the problem.

Now I'm not saying the failures aren't shitty. I have one on order and pray I don't have it happen. But just saying people need to step back and think before getting all worked up.

G73 is the new XBOX360's RROD. At least it's not that fatal and frequent. G73's PSOD issues are higher than PS3's YLODs (based from forums and youtube videos I searched so far). And PS3 sales are much higher. Add to the fact that there are atleast 3 different users who've at least RMAed their G73 more than once in just a single forum is not a joke.

Asus might be one of the major OEM's that have the lowest failure rate but that was pre-G73. We're not sure anymore.

[powerpack]

I am getting random lockups/freezes. kind of sucks but not going to panic yet.

[Maverick494]

I am getting random lockups/freezes. kind of sucks but not going to panic yet.

That is probably due to the creative software. You may (or may not) want to try one of two things: Uninstall it or Install the latest realtek drivers from the realtek site over it. Some times installing the latest realtek drivers over the creative ones will fix the issue and still allow you to control the sub and sometimes it doesn't work. (if you decide to try installing the realtek drivers just make sure you run the setup twice)

[BD2021]

That is probably due to the creative software. You may (or may not) want to try one of two things: Uninstall it or Install the latest realtek drivers from the realtek site over it. Some times installing the latest realtek drivers over the creative ones will fix the issue and still allow you to control the sub and sometimes it doesn't work. (if you decide to try installing the realtek drivers just make sure you run the setup twice)
i think what you have to do in this case to get the "sub" to work is set it all up in creative before you update the drivers and then install the new realtek drivers in order to get full functionality

[powerpack]

OK I am not sure of the "creative/realtek' issue. I was not doing anything audio related. But I do understand still could be what you say.
I guess I should look into? Thanks for the tip.

[JKA0124]

That's not fun, pp. :(

[choyj]

OK I am not sure of the "creative/realtek' issue. I was not doing anything audio related. But I do understand still could be what you say.
I guess I should look into? Thanks for the tip.

Steam didn't seem to be audio-related either... until people found out that the G73 creative bass boost + Steam caused lockups and crashes. :) I've had my G73 a little over 5 weeks now and started with a fresh install of Windows 7. I've had it lock up on me 2 times since then while doing regular Windows 7 explorer stuff or firefox. Haven't had it xSOD on me and games never encountered locked ups (Mass Effect, Supreme Commander 2, DiRT 2, MW2, Dawn of War 2, etc) except Bad Company 2 would crash to the desktop sometimes, but that was an early BC2 problem that now rarely occurs. Gave it a 3-day burn-in of gaming at a local Intel Lanfest a few weeks ago and had no problems whatsoever over there, either. I also don't have the Creative Labs software installed either. So.... so far, so good.

[ChyrosNX]

I am getting random lockups/freezes. kind of sucks but not going to panic yet.

I read somewhere that lockups are caused by Creative driver.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus/476081-attention-future-g73-owners.html

[ChyrosNX]

It's monday again (at least here in Italy). I feel I'm going P4 today...

[powerpack]

It's monday again (at least here in Italy). I feel I'm going P4 today...I hope you are.:)

[ChyrosNX]

I hope you are.:)

It better be unless they want to receive 50 emails a day. :laugh:

Anyone can advice for a neat freak like me like G73 keyboard/lcd protector, if any?

[CorvusTech]

SO it's Monday and I have a brand spanking new....RMA number.

Naturally, the FedEx locations weren't open before work, so I guess I'll handle that on my lunchbreak.

Someone compared the RRoD to the PSOD, and I'd say that's a damn close comparison, except an XBox you can go without for the month-long ship-to, repair, and ship-from process MS does via UPS. When you're down to one functional personal computer (i'm signed on from work at the moment), it's a rather different story, especially when you have to do some of your work from home.

And now, of course, I have 0 functional personal computers.

What worries me even more about the RRoD comparison is that many XBox's came back "fixed" by replacing a component and then *lowering the clockspeed* of the GPU. This is noticeable as a significant delay in LOD adjustments, such as details on the MC's armor in Halo 3 or on Shepard's armor in ME1/2.

Surely Asus won't send me lesser equipment....but then I read stories of people getting 720p monitors back and cringe. And if they just replace the machine, how long until it happens again?

I've got it all packed up to RMA, but I'm wondering now if I should talk to the retailer and return it outright.

[D Luniz]

Corvus, did you get yours from Xotic?

and for that matter, how many of the people that got theirs from here got the xSOD?

[Slowboto]

Corvus, did you get yours from Xotic?

and for that matter, how many of the people that got theirs from here got the xSOD?

He got it from elsewhere. So far we have had I think 2 or 3 others, who ordered from Xotic, have issues with the screen.

Still not bad though when you consider the number of people who have bought it from here and normally people who didn't join the forums before tend to jump on when something is wrong.

[CorvusTech]

He got it from elsewhere. So far we have had I think 2 or 3 others, who ordered from Xotic, have issues with the screen.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to matter where it came from. Best Buy, Xotic, PortableOne, TigerDirect, all distributors have had some of these, even Newegg.


I unpackaged mine again and screwed with power settings. I knew it'd be futile but I was hopeful. No luck. Guess I'm driving to FedEx on my lunch.

[Slowboto]

Yeah, it doesn't seem to matter where it came from. Best Buy, Xotic, PortableOne, TigerDirect, all distributors have had some of these, even Newegg.


I unpackaged mine again and screwed with power settings. I knew it'd be futile but I was hopeful. No luck. Guess I'm driving to FedEx on my lunch.

So there is always a resolution change when you boot up the laptop?

In other words what I want to know is this is a problem that may not happen right away but suddenly if you do a resolution change it could end with the PSOD when it didn't before?

[CorvusTech]

So there is always a resolution change when you boot up the laptop?

In other words what I want to know is this is a problem that may not happen right away but suddenly if you do a resolution change it could end with the PSOD when it didn't before?

Bingo.

That's what scares the hell out of me. I mean, I'm sure that if it goes like 3 months with no PSOD, it won't do it at all. Surely it'd crop up by then.

But at the same time, I could be cruising along, just like I was before, no problems, just like I was before....then one day, BAM, back to RMA land because I dared restart the computer or installed Mechwarrior 4, which doesn't have native widescreen. Seeing people have to send them back more than once is unnerving.

[Slowboto]

Bingo.

That's what scares the hell out of me. I mean, I'm sure that if it goes like 3 months with no PSOD, it won't do it at all. Surely it'd crop up by then.

But at the same time, I could be cruising along, just like I was before, no problems, just like I was before....then one day, BAM, back to RMA land because I dared restart the computer or installed Mechwarrior 4, which doesn't have native widescreen. Seeing people have to send them back more than once is unnerving.

Yeah, that definitely sucks. Main reason I was asking is because I'm getting my network card upgraded, Xotic will have to test it to make sure it works. If this was an issue that happens right away then it would be found out and would save some time.

Agree that this does end up being far worse than the RROD because the 360 is just a game console while the G73 is a laptop and tends to be used for so much more.

[choyj]

It looks like on Wednesday (5/26), Asus and Seagate are planning to announce the new Seagate Momentus XT drives with built-in 4GB SSD Flash in their regular 500GB platter hard drives and the new Asus G73 with these newer drives.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Seagate-Momentus-XT-Solid-State-Hybrid-Preview/?page=10
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1650089/seagate-revs-laptops

Now the next 500 pages on this thread is not going to be about whether one got 1066 or 1333 memory which doesn't give you any performance advantage, but about whether people will be getting one with dual hybrid drives or not. :laugh: And all the calls and emails to Justin about it.

Not sure if it's truly an upgrade option you have to purchase or it will be something that comes standard after Asus flushes out their current inventories of the non-hybrid Momentus drives that currently come standard with the G73.

[Slowboto]

It looks like on Wednesday (5/26), Asus and Seagate are planning to announce the new Seagate Momentus XT drives with built-in 4GB SSD Flash in their regular 500GB platter hard drives and the new Asus G73 with these newer drives.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Seagate-Momentus-XT-Solid-State-Hybrid-Preview/?page=10
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1650089/seagate-revs-laptops

Now the next 500 pages on this thread is not going to be about whether one got 1066 or 1333 memory which doesn't give you any performance advantage, but about whether people will be getting one with dual hybrid drives or not. :laugh: And all the calls and emails to Justin about it.

Not sure if it's truly an upgrade option you have to purchase or it will be something that comes standard after Asus flushes out their current inventories of the non-hybrid Momentus drives that currently come standard with the G73.

Is 4 GB enough? Just asking because I know people were saying that the partition for the OS took a good chunk of their 80 GB drives if they got that option. 4 GB doesn't seem like much.

[Slowboto]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/seagate-pairs-7200rpm-hdd-with-4gb-of-flash-in-2-5-inch-momentus/

"it'll soon be an option in ASUS' ROG G73Jh gaming laptop"

So it doesn't sound like it will be something standard although I guess we'll have to see the price and performance differences before we start having a bunch of people complain on here.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/seagate-pairs-7200rpm-hdd-with-4gb-of-flash-in-2-5-inch-momentus/

"it'll soon be an option in ASUS' ROG J73Jh gaming laptop"

So it doesn't sound like it will be something standard although I guess we'll have to see the price and performance differences before we start having a bunch of people complain on here.

I think it is a MAJOR typo! The ROG line is the "G" series. I don't think that there is (or will be) a J73JH. It was a mis-typed G73JH. The next logical computer in the series would be the G74!

BTW - I sent an email to the author of the original article suggesting that he fix the typo

[Slowboto]

I think it is a MAJOR typo! The ROG line is the "G" series. I don't think that there is (or will be) a J73JH. It was a mis-typed G73JH. The next logical computer in the series would be the G74!


Oh, didn't even notice that. Yeah, just a typo, the guy meant the G73 is going to receive it as an option. I'll change it out so nobody gets confused.

[JKA0124]

I think it is a MAJOR typo! The ROG line is the "G" series. I don't think that there is (or will be) a J73JH. It was a mis-typed G73JH. The next logical computer in the series would be the G74!

BTW - I sent an email to the author of the original article suggesting that he fix the typo

Yeah, the tags at the bottom are correct (G73JH) but not the text in the article. Whoops.

[ChyrosNX]

I think it is a MAJOR typo! The ROG line is the "G" series. I don't think that there is (or will be) a J73JH. It was a mis-typed G73JH. The next logical computer in the series would be the G74!

BTW - I sent an email to the author of the original article suggesting that he fix the typo

Republic of Jamers ftw! :laugh:

[Darkphox]

partial posted for some reason...see below

[Darkphox]

Hello everyone,

I havent been an active participant on the discussions here, but I sure have enjoyed reading them. While the problems with the G-73 may only affect a small # of actual systems, the PSOD stories have officially scared me away. I literally had a night-mare that I plugged my system in and hooked it up to my tv for a 2nd monitor and it bricked. Although I probably wouldn't have recieved it for another 4 weeks at least in the real world, i had it in my dreams, at least for a short while. Anywho, good luck to all of you and I really hope you enjoy the beast that is the g-73. As for myself, i've diverted to a Sager NP 8690. Little more expensive, no (fancy) backpack & mouse, but a little more peace of mind.

Kiwi, i'm ready to be voted off the island.

[gstboy]

I actually think that the cases of PSOD happening on an xotic system is probably lower than other resellers because xotic tests the systems they send out instead of slapping the parts on there and shipping them out, that's why they take so long. I'm pretty sure they would find the problem before it gets shipped saving you guys the hassle.

[Darkphox]

probably, im still getting the sager through xotic. From everything ive read though, psods happen at random from rez changes...sometimes from a reboot, sometimes from a game...but in the end i'd rather A. know they stopped the problem, or B. get another model and not worry about it. Just my decision, but xotic's practices really do take care of the customers

[Salrog]

Still in phase 1. I ordered 4/10 but getting really worried about this whole PSOD issue. Being in Iraq I would rather not have a bricked screen followed by the added hassle of having to ship it back to ASUS which would result in a 6+ week turn around.

I really like the G73 but Sager is looking mighty tempting ATM.

[Darkphox]

breaks my heart having 2g less ram, no targus pack, and a free mouse, all while paying about $150 extra...but my psychiatrist tells me to stay positive so i look foward to a 15'' screen. lol...I also plan to use mine in 'austere enviroments'...had a sager with a pentium 4 and a '6800 go' on a deployment back in '05. Thought that was badass back then, lol

[JKA0124]

I know, all the PSOD/lockup reports are terrifying. I keep considering a sager on and off but...I had my heart set on Steve.

(Yes, I named my G73.)

[JKA0124]

I wonder if the RMA rate at Xotic has gone up. Again, we're just seeing all the people who have something negative to say. I want hard numbers. :p

[Slowboto]

I actually think that the cases of PSOD happening on an xotic system is probably lower than other resellers because xotic tests the systems they send out instead of slapping the parts on there and shipping them out, that's why they take so long. I'm pretty sure they would find the problem before it gets shipped saving you guys the hassle.

Only partially true. It lowers the chances of receiving one that automatically craps out the moment you start it but the problem itself is something that can happen at a random moment even during boot up. Doesn't sound like something you can really test for because you can switch resolutions and not have a problem one day and the next you can do the same thing and that will cause the PSOD.

[Slowboto]

I wonder if the RMA rate at Xotic has gone up. Again, we're just seeing all the people who have something negative to say. I want hard numbers. :p

You figure most people tend to jump on here when something goes wrong, even if they weren't on the boards during the pre-order time. Then you look at how many have received G73s from the unofficial list, which doesn't include every order, and you figure that the percentage isn't super high when it comes to Xotic. It is still a fairly big issue in that enough people have now experienced it as a whole that Asus has to look into it and the possibility of a recall if it keeps going on and this is a complete hardware issue, which it seems to be.

[Maverick494]

You figure most people tend to jump on here when something goes wrong, even if they weren't on the boards during the pre-order time. Then you look at how many have received G73s from the unofficial list, which doesn't include every order, and you figure that the percentage isn't super high when it comes to Xotic. It is still a fairly big issue in that enough people have now experienced it as a whole that Asus has to look into it and the possibility of a recall if it keeps going on and this is a complete hardware issue, which it seems to be.

Go take a look at the ASUS official G73 forums.

[BD2021]

I actually think that the cases of PSOD happening on an xotic system is probably lower than other resellers because xotic tests the systems they send out instead of slapping the parts on there and shipping them out, that's why they take so long. I'm pretty sure they would find the problem before it gets shipped saving you guys the hassle.
They only test on systems where they have upgraded something, so if you buy a stock system from them then its not tested. Also like slobo said it could still happen because it seems to be random.

I wonder if the RMA rate at Xotic has gone up. Again, we're just seeing all the people who have something negative to say. I want hard numbers. :p
Saw a small poll on another site for g73 owners (don't remember what site) that showed about 1/3 of ppl who had the system had no issues, 1/3 of ppl had small issues (like the whole creative suite thing or typing lag), and the other 1/3 had more serious issues. So conservatively based on that about 30% of people had issues that needed fixed by RMA.

Only partially true. It lowers the chances of receiving one that automatically craps out the moment you start it but the problem itself is something that can happen at a random moment even during boot up. Doesn't sound like something you can really test for because you can switch resolutions and not have a problem one day and the next you can do the same thing and that will cause the PSOD.
I read somewhere that there is a program you can use that will switch between resolutions that you can run to test for this problem. unfortunately if you do have the problem then you just PSOD'd yourself to find out...

[UntilMoraleImproves]

I know, all the PSOD/lockup reports are terrifying. I keep considering a sager on and off but...I had my heart set on Steve.

(Yes, I named my G73.)

Shoot, not UMI? JK!!

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Here's an odd, but possibly relevant question: which RAM sticks are installed in the PSOD machines? I'm running the 1066 and I'm wondering if the people w/the PSODs all have 1333??

[JKA0124]

Shoot, not UMI? JK!!

I'm sorry, it just didn't look like an UMI. :(

:laugh:

[JKA0124]

I was just wondering, have most of the people who have had problem updated their drivers? After seeing so many posts of peopling rolling back and forth, I wonder if that's a problem. A lot of people who kept it stock (ie only removed bloatware; no fresh isntall, no updates) seem to be happy with their purchase.

[Maverick494]

I was just wondering, have most of the people who have had problem updated their drivers? After seeing so many posts of peopling rolling back and forth, I wonder if that's a problem. A lot of people who kept it stock (ie only removed bloatware; no fresh isntall, no updates) seem to be happy with their purchase.

if it were a driver problem bricking the GPU they would be replacing the GPU and not the LCD.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

if it were a driver problem bricking the GPU they would be replacing the GPU and not the LCD.

I believe it is the LCD but how do we know that the GPU's aren't the cause?

BTW, why are you always trolling the G73 forums? Nothing better to do with your time?

[Ghostwolf]

What the heck is an "UMI" anyway? :rolleyes:


Well it's Monday and I'm still at Phase 1, still waiting for shipment/parts to arrive, sigh.:cry:

[UntilMoraleImproves]

What the heck is an "UMI" anyway? :rolleyes:


Well it's Monday and I'm still at Phase 1, still waiting for shipment/parts to arrive, sigh.:cry:

ME
:wink2:

[BD2021]

how do we know that the GPU's aren't the cause?
well when someone tried to swap out the video card (a tech not a random person) they got the same results, so unless the new card was also DOA then it seems to me that the LCD is the problem

[gstboy]

LCD is the problem because when hooked up to another source the picture is fine. When mine happened it was working perfectly, what triggered it the first time was plugging in a HDMI cable to the TV. The second was booting into MW2 for the first time and the default resolution for that game is 1024x768 i believe. I had all the stock drivers for video at the time, the bios that came with it was 206. Both units were manufactured in april so maybe it was from a bad batch of monitors. ASUS uses the Hannstar HSD173PUW1 model in the G73. I've never used Hannstar before but they don't sound like an LG or Samsung type of company with more quality control, so maybe the failure rate on these monitors are higher than most. I have the Kingston 1333 ram.

What brand is in yours UMI?

[CorvusTech]

LCD is the problem because when hooked up to another source the picture is fine. When mine happened it was working perfectly, what triggered it the first time was plugging in a HDMI cable to the TV. The second was booting into MW2 for the first time and the default resolution for that game is 1024x768 i believe. I had all the stock drivers for video at the time, the bios that came with it was 206. Both units were manufactured in april so maybe it was from a bad batch of monitors. ASUS uses the Hannstar HSD173PUW1 model in the G73. I've never used Hannstar before but they don't sound like an LG or Samsung type of company with more quality control, so maybe the failure rate on these monitors are higher than most. I have the Kingston 1333 ram.

What brand is in yours UMI?

I have the same model Hannstar monitor as you, gst. And there my machien sits, in a box for RMA....

[jbermi]

Have there been any reports of the best buy models doing the PSOD? i know they are 1600x900 and use either LG or AUO screens (i have an AUO 1600x900 in my laptop)?

if they haven't experienced it, i know the BB models have there share of issues, but are PSOD's one of them?

if not, it must be the LCD screen or controller between the GPU and the screen, if it was the GPU, you would see other 5870 equipped laptops PSODing. which to my knowledge, no one has reported any.

just what i have observed.

[jbermi]

I know, all the PSOD/lockup reports are terrifying. I keep considering a sager on and off but...I had my heart set on Steve.

(Yes, I named my G73.)

I wonder if the RMA rate at Xotic has gone up. Again, we're just seeing all the people who have something negative to say. I want hard numbers. :p


hrm...just saying...:laugh:

[JKA0124]

hrm...just saying...:laugh:

http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/jka0124/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

[UntilMoraleImproves]

I have the Kingston 1333 ram.

What brand is in yours UMI?

I didn't even bother to look at the sticks when I swapped out the primary HDD for the SSD. Just went by the hardware monitoring program. If I remember, I'll open her up tonight and see what's under the cover.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

The Engadget story (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/seagate-pairs-7200rpm-hdd-with-4gb-of-flash-in-2-5-inch-momentus/)has been updated. No more J73JH reference!

[dimgt]

Hmmmmmm :confused:

Considering this issue about the g73 LCD screen, which "seems" to be the problem, i'm taking a bet here that I won't ever have any problem with it.

If I decide to switch to a sager, the SAGER NP8760 seems to have pretty much the same specs as the g73 and is upgradable with pretty much the same options as for the g73.

What do you guys think about this model vs the g73 ?

[gstboy]

I didn't even bother to look at the sticks when I swapped out the primary HDD for the SSD. Just went by the hardware monitoring program. If I remember, I'll open her up tonight and see what's under the cover.

No need to open it up to look, just run this program and it will tell you the the manufacturer and model of the ram.

http://www.hwinfo.com/download32.html

[UntilMoraleImproves]

No need to open it up to look, just run this program and it will tell you the the manufacturer and model of the ram.

http://www.hwinfo.com/download32.html

LOL, I know, ha-ha. You missed the double meaning spawned from JKA's prior post.

I'll run it tonight and let you know.

[gstboy]

I have the same model Hannstar monitor as you, gst. And there my machien sits, in a box for RMA....

RMA it man, at least once.

[JKA0124]

Hmmmmmm :confused:

Considering this issue about the g73 LCD screen, which "seems" to be the problem, i'm taking a bet here that I won't ever have any problem with it.

If I decide to switch to a sager, the SAGER NP8760 seems to have pretty much the same specs as the g73 and is upgradable with pretty much the same options as for the g73.

What do you guys think about this model vs the g73 ?

That's the model I was looking at. Its fans are loud (louder than the g73 at least) and the battery life is shorter. I think NBR reported 50 mins? Also it's more expensive, but I'm sure you knew that.

There was something else that was a dealbreaker me but I cannot remember what it was. Ultimately the Sager is a good plan B but I'm sticking with the g73 for now.

[Maverick494]

I believe it is the LCD but how do we know that the GPU's aren't the cause?

BTW, why are you always trolling the G73 forums? Nothing better to do with your time?

If you look at the issues that people have they can and have replaced the GPU and gotten the same results and the external display still works so if it were a GPU issue the external display wouldn't work. I am in this particular thread replying because it is the only active one at this point in time and I am by no means trolling.

[Maverick494]

That's the model I was looking at. The reviews user mentions that its fans are loud (louder than the g73 at least) and the battery life is shorter. I think NBR reported 50 mins? Also it's more expensive, but I'm sure you knew that.

There was something else that was a dealbreaker me but I cannot remember what it was.

its only slightly more if you do 0 mods to the G73. About the 1800-1900 dollar point the sager actually starts getting cheaper than the Asus due to the cost of upgrading the Asus.

still, only dump your G73 if you really feel like this is too big a risk or hassle to deal with IF you have the PSOD. The other issues are annoying, but not machine breaking from what I have seen.

[ChyrosNX]

Some people reported that changing the vBIOS rectified the issue. So does it mean that the official video firmware is the culprit?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus/482491-gsod-fix-g73-owners-vbios-update-guide.html

[Slowboto]

I read somewhere that there is a program you can use that will switch between resolutions that you can run to test for this problem. unfortunately if you do have the problem then you just PSOD'd yourself to find out...

I might have to find that program. While it would suck to find out I received one like that, I'd probably prefer finding out right away and RMAing it asap, potentially getting it back before the big release of SCII.

[ryukenden]

The G73 I ordered is customized with burn-in test. Some of the problems is regarding to faulty screen. Other issue are resolution with the introduction of bios 209. (beta bios)

[Maverick494]

Some people reported that changing the vBIOS rectified the issue. So does it mean that the official video firmware is the culprit?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus/482491-gsod-fix-g73-owners-vbios-update-guide.html

that eliminates like 2/3rds of the functionality of this laptop as a multimedia machine, I don't think I would do this. Plus I didn't notice that post saying anything about the PSOD just the GSOD.

[awsam007]

its only slightly more if you do 0 mods to the G73

guess it depends on what you consider slight. for my stock A2 it would be $250 to get the same specs for the Sager NP8760

[Solkaris]

Changing to a Sager would be good. Moves me up on the G73 list!

[ChyrosNX]

Lincoln, NE - 5:31 PM... 29 more minutes... Still hoping for P4 today... :smile2:

[Maverick494]

guess it depends on what you consider slight. for my stock A2 it would be $250 to get the same specs for the Sager NP8760

I suppose that is a fair point and the 250 is about right. I guess when you are spending the kind of money that is being spent here it comes down to if 250 dollars spent now on a sager or the possible time (and maybe money) spent if your G73 decides to have issues is worth it to you. It may not be for many people and the ROI on the G73 is going to be just fine if they only ever have minor issues.

The bottom line is that I would keep watching every tech support forum that has a G73 section or issues popping up (especially the official ASUS ones) and looking at the kind of responses, if any, the problems are getting. Then make your informed decision to either stay or go. I think in the end people need to weigh what is important to them and figure out how to deal with it.

The biggest problem is that it is a crap shoot on which issues you might experience with your machine. :(

[Darkphox]

Well put Mav, thats exactly why I switched my order...the extra $/slightly less ram was worth not worrying whether I would PSOD. Whether that be out of the box, 30 days later or ever. Think it would always be at the back of my mind, for however long I had it.

[AJ4evur]

Yeah - hopefully the issue will be dealt with so those of use still waiting to clear phase 2 will get machines that are in working order.

[Fr0st]

Just since there's been a lot of negativity here, I'd like to mention that my G73 has been running great with daily use since the 12th. I did get some upgrades, so maybe it got better testing than most.

I'm curious, how do I see what brand/model my LCD is, and it's assembly date? Does this require disassembling the laptop, or can I find this information via software?

[powerpack]

OK guys this is getting a little out of hand. I will first say I am not on top of all these concerns. I learn from you guys/gals and your posts. A poster a while back said very much the same as what I am about to say, I would quote and credit but just too lazy.

You guys who are conjecturing on say a 30% failure rate are so 100% pulling it out of your, you know that place? Just common sense would say a 30% immediate failure rate is something not seen in the industry ever. If 30% immediate on one issue what do you think a yearly RMA/failure rate is going to be. 50%? No it is not and what do you think after 2 years.

Here is the problem, it is like you guys live in the big city and you hear about a murder everyday. You then start to be concerned you will be murdered. Sounds logical? Yea but it is not. I live in Chicago 2.8 million 18 murders per 100,000. I am not going to get murdered.

You guys have zero perspective. You have no idea of your sample size so all conclusions are made without the necessary information. Ergo all conclusions lack validity.

I would like the Justin's to comment as I think even if a real problem the level being stated is extreme. Do not link me to an ASUS site where what 20? 50? 100? Are all having the same issue. You think 10,000 units have been delivered. I think yea. 100 people is 1%. I know everyone with issues does not post but if only 10% do your total failure rate is at 10%. That is why I think a 30% failure rate is just wrong, it is irresponsible to conjecture. Those who speculate lack any substance to say that.

I think there is a real issue but please keep it in proportion until you get more info. And that is not ASUS forum, NBR, or here but here are we not closer to the 1% anyway?

This entire situation is one reason I do not change things like BIOS or drivers when I first get. If the problems happen to those who chose sorry to hear but well so be it. I do OC, and a tip if you remove RAM sticks you will get a higher OC. Desktop guys can adjust their RAM voltage, we can't. Running 4 sticks requires more voltage to achieve stability since you can't up it remove DIMM's.

Anyway just my ramblings but I am not in a panic yet. Should I keep a list of all the failed units reported? Then compare to the wait list? It will not be 30%. I doubt 1%.

;):)

[Solkaris]

Thank you PP!! Another sane person speaks. But please don't use logic .. stampede with the mindless panic driven herd to other systems so that I can get my laptop faster.

[Solkaris]

Oh and for another example of this behavior and the insanity that goes with it .. please see the malleus maleficarum and the hysteria that it caused. Do you really think 1000s of witches did what that book said they did? Just because one guy throws around numbers .. doesn't make it true without real evidence, its just rumor and conjecture.

But feel free to feel the fear and flame me again with macho bs. It doesn't change the fact that your in a reactive mode to fluff and fancy.

[Fr0st]

OK guys this is getting a little out of hand. I will first say I am not on top of all these concerns. I learn from you guys/gals and your posts. A poster a while back said very much the same as what I am about to say, I would quote and credit but just too lazy.

You guys who are conjecturing on say a 30% failure rate are so 100% pulling it out of your, you know that place? Just common sense would say a 30% immediate failure rate is something not seen in the industry ever. If 30% immediate on one issue what do you think a yearly RMA/failure rate is going to be. 50%? No it is not and what do you think after 2 years.

Here is the problem, it is like you guys live in the big city and you hear about a murder everyday. You then start to be concerned you will be murdered. Sounds logical? Yea but it is not. I live in Chicago 2.8 million 18 murders per 100,000. I am not going to get murdered.

You guys have zero perspective. You have no idea of your sample size so all conclusions are made without the necessary information. Ergo all conclusions lack validity.

I would like the Justin's to comment as I think even if a real problem the level being stated is extreme. Do not link me to an ASUS site where what 20? 50? 100? Are all having the same issue. You think 10,000 units have been delivered. I think yea. 100 people is 1%. I know everyone with issues does not post but if only 10% do your total failure rate is at 10%. That is why I think a 30% failure rate is just wrong, it is irresponsible to conjecture. Those who speculate lack any substance to say that.

I think there is a real issue but please keep it in proportion until you get more info. And that is not ASUS forum, NBR, or here but here are we not closer to the 1% anyway?

This entire situation is one reason I do not change things like BIOS or drivers when I first get. If the problems happen to those who chose sorry to hear but well so be it. I do OC, and a tip if you remove RAM sticks you will get a higher OC. Desktop guys can adjust their RAM voltage, we can't. Running 4 sticks requires more voltage to achieve stability since you can't up it remove DIMM's.

Anyway just my ramblings but I am not in a panic yet. Should I keep a list of all the failed units reported? Then compare to the wait list? It will not be 30%. I doubt 1%.

;):)

AMEN.
I mean, just think of the number of G73's that have gone through Xotic ALONE! I can't even fathom how many have shipped nationally or globally. Tons. Thousands. Tens of thousands. People tend to only complain when something goes wrong - I am not saying the issue is nonexistant, but it is NOT 30%. Maybe it just seems that way when you guys read SUPPORT forums. Who is going to go onto a SUPPORT forum, and talk about how correct their laptop is working? No one! That's not the point of a SUPPORT forum.

So I agree with PP, calm down guys. Feel free to be concerned and get informed on the apparent issues, but don't go drinking the punch just yet - no one knows the failure rate on these things other than ASUS.

[ChyrosNX]

Well, the best thing we can do in my opinion is to be aware with the problems other people are experiencing. Like what G.I.Joe says "Knowing is half the battle".

Instead of discussing the failure rate, let's discuss the problem itself and how we to deal with them.

Here's a list I've found from ASUS site. It doesn't matter if it's not 100% correct and problems occur on selective owners. At least we are aware of it.

From http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20100504183219546&board_id=3&model=G73JH&page=1&SLanguage=en-us


1.The 206 bios update Kills the keyboard lights.

2. Updating the GPU Drivers to anything other than the stock 9.12 results in frequent GSODs in Crysis, Arkham Asylum and GTA IV.

3. Cannot Access Ease of Access Center with the factory default Creative Drivers....had to uninstall them....but in the processs, lost the ability to adjust the depth of the subwoofer.

4. Steam locks up, randomly.

5. Random Cakcling noise from the speakers....

6. GPU throttling even when the NB has been plugged back in.

[ChyrosNX]

From UPS

Exception
Your shipment has experienced an event that could result in a change to the Scheduled Delivery Date.

Omgwtfbbqsauce. :/

[Fr0st]

Well, the best thing we can do in my opinion is to be aware with the problems other people are experiencing. Like what G.I.Joe says "Knowing is half the battle".

Instead of discussing the failure rate, let's discuss the problem itself and how we to deal with them.

Here's a list I've found from ASUS site. It doesn't matter if it's not 100% correct and problems occur on selective owners. At least we are aware of it.

From http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20100504183219546&board_id=3&model=G73JH&page=1&SLanguage=en-us


1.The 206 bios update Kills the keyboard lights.

2. Updating the GPU Drivers to anything other than the stock 9.12 results in frequent GSODs in Crysis, Arkham Asylum and GTA IV.

3. Cannot Access Ease of Access Center with the factory default Creative Drivers....had to uninstall them....but in the processs, lost the ability to adjust the depth of the subwoofer.

4. Steam locks up, randomly.

5. Random Cakcling noise from the speakers....

6. GPU throttling even when the NB has been plugged back in.

#3, 4 and 5 have never happened to me. Mine came with the 206 bios, and I have had 0 problems. Have not updated GPU drivers so I cannot comment on #2. And #6 is an issue which I hope is fixed soon!

My point is, these are not definitive problems.

[JKA0124]

Good points by fr0st and PP.

I guess my next question is whether I'll get mine before I leave on vacation on the 9th. I doubt it. Pfft.

[gstboy]

Well, the best thing we can do in my opinion is to be aware with the problems other people are experiencing. Like what G.I.Joe says "Knowing is half the battle".

Instead of discussing the failure rate, let's discuss the problem itself and how we to deal with them.

Here's a list I've found from ASUS site. It doesn't matter if it's not 100% correct and problems occur on selective owners. At least we are aware of it.

From http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20100504183219546&board_id=3&model=G73JH&page=1&SLanguage=en-us


1.The 206 bios update Kills the keyboard lights.

2. Updating the GPU Drivers to anything other than the stock 9.12 results in frequent GSODs in Crysis, Arkham Asylum and GTA IV.

3. Cannot Access Ease of Access Center with the factory default Creative Drivers....had to uninstall them....but in the processs, lost the ability to adjust the depth of the subwoofer.

4. Steam locks up, randomly.

5. Random Cakcling noise from the speakers....

6. GPU throttling even when the NB has been plugged back in.

Most of what you mention can be solved through some type of bios or driver update and won't render your laptop useless. Uninstalling Creative or realtek solves the problems with hard lockups. I never had an issue with steam but I did uninstall my creative drivers. Not sure how many people have the random crackling noise from the speakers, I didn't, but it is most likely solvable through some driver update. Throttling on less than 50% of battery is solved when the 209 bios comes out. I had 206 bios from factory and lights worked 100%. If you dont' have the 206 bios don't update to it. The GSOD happens when people start trying to update ati drivers, but really, the stock drivers are good enough to play all games at an acceptable framerate, why try to squeeze 1-2 fps in games and risk it. If they fix the GSOD by releasing a working driver then by all means download it and install.

The only issue I'm aware of that Legitimately requires an RMA is the PSOD. Most other problems are most likely driver related which can be fixed without an RMA. Of course if you have a bum vid card you will know it and other hardware failures but those are probably even more remote than getting a PSOD.

[Maverick494]

Most of what you mention can be solved through some type of bios or driver update and won't render your laptop useless. Uninstalling Creative or realtek solves the problems with hard lockups. I never had an issue with steam but I did uninstall my creative drivers. Not sure how many people have the random crackling noise from the speakers, I didn't, but it is most likely solvable through some driver update. Throttling on less than 50% of battery is solved when the 209 bios comes out. I had 206 bios from factory and lights worked 100%. If you dont' have the 206 bios don't update to it. The GSOD happens when people start trying to update ati drivers, but really, the stock drivers are good enough to play all games at an acceptable framerate, why try to squeeze 1-2 fps in games and risk it. If they fix the GSOD by releasing a working driver then by all means download it and install.

The only issue I'm aware of that Legitimately requires an RMA is the PSOD. Most other problems are most likely driver related which can be fixed without an RMA. Of course if you have a bum vid card you will know it and other hardware failures but those are probably even more remote than getting a PSOD.


While I agree with a lot of this, it is a bit troubling that ASUS hasn't officially addressed at least the bios and Creative software issues. I am sure they will get to it, but you would think they might have been a little more speedy on these two issues at least.

Is it also true that the ASUS 5870M is slightly different than the standard MXM III 5870M? I don't know where I heard that tidbit, but I thought I remembered hearing that. Maybe that is contributing to the GSOD issues under the newer driver set.

[powerpack]

While I agree with a lot of this, it is a bit troubling that ASUS hasn't officially addressed at least the bios and Creative software issues. I am sure they will get to it, but you would think they might have been a little more speedy on these two issues at least.

Is it also true that the ASUS 5870M is slightly different than the standard MXM III 5870M? I don't know where I heard that tidbit, but I thought I remembered hearing that. Maybe that is contributing to the GSOD issues under the newer driver set.Agreed it would be nice but consider they even had troubles delivering these units. By that I only mean these guy are deep in the swim trying to stay above water. Yes what you say would be good but not surprised not happening.

Also if you read earlier posts while real issues not sure they are not overstated.;):)

[Fr0st]

Is it also true that the ASUS 5870M is slightly different than the standard MXM III 5870M? I don't know where I heard that tidbit, but I thought I remembered hearing that. Maybe that is contributing to the GSOD issues under the newer driver set.

You are correct - I am not sure the exact differences, but supposedly ASUS did something proprietary with the port.

[BD2021]

OK guys this is getting a little out of hand. I will first say I am not on top of all these concerns. I learn from you guys/gals and your posts. A poster a while back said very much the same as what I am about to say, I would quote and credit but just too lazy.

You guys who are conjecturing on say a 30% failure rate are so 100% pulling it out of your, you know that place? Just common sense would say a 30% immediate failure rate is something not seen in the industry ever. If 30% immediate on one issue what do you think a yearly RMA/failure rate is going to be. 50%? No it is not and what do you think after 2 years.

Here is the problem, it is like you guys live in the big city and you hear about a murder everyday. You then start to be concerned you will be murdered. Sounds logical? Yea but it is not. I live in Chicago 2.8 million 18 murders per 100,000. I am not going to get murdered.

You guys have zero perspective. You have no idea of your sample size so all conclusions are made without the necessary information. Ergo all conclusions lack validity.

I would like the Justin's to comment as I think even if a real problem the level being stated is extreme. Do not link me to an ASUS site where what 20? 50? 100? Are all having the same issue. You think 10,000 units have been delivered. I think yea. 100 people is 1%. I know everyone with issues does not post but if only 10% do your total failure rate is at 10%. That is why I think a 30% failure rate is just wrong, it is irresponsible to conjecture. Those who speculate lack any substance to say that.

I think there is a real issue but please keep it in proportion until you get more info. And that is not ASUS forum, NBR, or here but here are we not closer to the 1% anyway?

This entire situation is one reason I do not change things like BIOS or drivers when I first get. If the problems happen to those who chose sorry to hear but well so be it. I do OC, and a tip if you remove RAM sticks you will get a higher OC. Desktop guys can adjust their RAM voltage, we can't. Running 4 sticks requires more voltage to achieve stability since you can't up it remove DIMM's.

Anyway just my ramblings but I am not in a panic yet. Should I keep a list of all the failed units reported? Then compare to the wait list? It will not be 30%. I doubt 1%.

;):)
to be fair, i didn't report anything close to a failure rate, i stated that that was from an online poll. that doesn't in any way reflect a total failure rate (obviously if the g73 had a 30% failure rate it wouldn't still be on the market), but it does show that there are some issues with the system. as gstboy pointed out a lot of the issues can be fixed fairly quickly with proper drivers and or bios updates, but that doesn't mean that the problems don't exist or should be ignored. i don't think i have ever had a computer that i didn't run into some sort of issue with, and if i were really concerned about the g73 i'd have switched. it is worthwhile however to look at problems other people have had and where ASUS or other consumers are at in getting the problems fixed.

[powerpack]

You are correct - I am not sure the exact differences, but supposedly ASUS did something proprietary with the port.Yea but not really the issue. DeLL does not do MXM they are proprietary. It just really has no affect other than our ability to upgrade which I was not looking for. I mean Sager uses MXM and more power to them, but it is what it is and means little on this issue.:)

to be fair, i didn't report anything close to a failure rate, i stated that that was from an online poll. that doesn't in any way reflect a total failure rate (obviously if the g73 had a 30% failure rate it wouldn't still be on the market), but it does show that there are some issues with the system. as gstboy pointed out a lot of the issues can be fixed fairly quickly with proper drivers and or bios updates, but that doesn't mean that the problems don't exist or should be ignored. i don't think i have ever had a computer that i didn't run into some sort of issue with, and if i were really concerned about the g73 i'd have switched. it is worthwhile however to look at problems other people have had and where ASUS or other consumers are at in getting the problems fixed.I did not mean to call you out. I never thought of you just several posters. It is good that you express your concerns. I hope I do not have issues. Thanks for the contributions keep them coming.

[Slowboto]

Good points by fr0st and PP.

I guess my next question is whether I'll get mine before I leave on vacation on the 9th. I doubt it. Pfft.

Did you order stock? If so it is possible but would be cutting it very close. If you got any modifications then unfortunately the chances are slim to none and I only put slim in there to make you feel better. :(

[Slowboto]

guess it depends on what you consider slight. for my stock A2 it would be $250 to get the same specs for the Sager NP8760

awsam, good to see you again. You have been gone a bit.

[JKA0124]

Did you order stock? If so it is possible but would be cutting it very close. If you got any modifications then unfortunately the chances are slim to none and I only put slim in there to make you feel better. :(

I know. :cry:

Ah well. Just going to have to ask my aunt to bring the Asus I bought her on the trip.

[ryukenden]

The G73 I ordered is customized with burn-in test. Some of the problems is regarding to faulty screen. Other issue are resolution with the introduction of bios 209. (beta bios)

Err I need to proof read. I mean't on the last sentence; Other issues are RESOLVE with the introduction of bios 209.

[choyj]

Is 4 GB enough? Just asking because I know people were saying that the partition for the OS took a good chunk of their 80 GB drives if they got that option. 4 GB doesn't seem like much.

That's a good point! And with the limited number of writes before it starts to fail, I wonder how long that will last on 4GB. And if that happens, will the drive still work? :confused:

Oh well. I'm quite happy with a full-blown SSD. ;)

[powerpack]

4GB SSD in a Hybrid HDD is such a joke. I almost cannot comment as it is such a joke.

[BD2021]

Is 4 GB enough? Just asking because I know people were saying that the partition for the OS took a good chunk of their 80 GB drives if they got that option. 4 GB doesn't seem like much.
i just skimmed over that, but from what i understand it only saves certain things to the ssd which is why its 4gb (theoretically i guess enough to hold the most accessed stuff in their opinion?). personally i agree with choyj if you're going to go ssd, might as well go with the whole drive and be done with it

[D Luniz]

hmm. somehow, ryukenden is ahead of me now:eeek2:

[p_schneider]

Took a bit to get caught up on everything, sorry to hear some of you are having issues.
So far so good for me with no issues.
Outside of M$ auto-updates I haven't updated anything as the rig ran great right out of the box and quite frankly, I was too busy gaming to muck about with a driver reload on everything. :D

Anyway,
-not sure about the LCD except that its the 1080p screen. How do you tell btw?
-I did get the kingston 1333 ram
- I've used the machine to game, run DVD / BD on both my screen and my plasma via HDMI.
- I've also used the dual monitor function and I've changed resolutions several times.

Not sure how any of this helps but that's been my experience so far.
Good luck everyone. For those who have not received theirs yet, I hope you get a good one.

[powerpack]

i just skimmed over that, but from what i understand it only saves certain things to the ssd which is why its 4gb (theoretically i guess enough to hold the most accessed stuff in their opinion?). personally i agree with choyj if you're going to go ssd, might as well go with the whole drive and be done with itYou need to understand that from L1 to HDD or SSD they are all saving what based on an algorithm is important. How you think a 4GB SSD can work against 8GB RAM is beyond me. If you have questions I would be happy to answer. 4GB SSD on a HDD is going to be the failure of "Turbo RAM". It is fundamental.;):)

[D Luniz]

Took a bit to get caught up on everything, sorry to hear some of you are having issues.
So far so good for me with no issues.
Outside of M$ auto-updates I haven't updated anything as the rig ran great right out of the box and quite frankly, I was too busy gaming to muck about with a driver reload on everything. :D

Anyway,
-not sure about the LCD except that its the 1080p screen. How do you tell btw?
-I did get the kingston 1333 ram
- I've used the machine to game, run DVD / BD on both my screen and my plasma via HDMI.
- I've also used the dual monitor function and I've changed resolutions several times.

Not sure how any of this helps but that's been my experience so far.
Good luck everyone. For those who have not received theirs yet, I hope you get a good one.


what about steam? you use it?

[BD2021]

You need to understand that from L1 to HDD or SSD they are all saving what based on an algorithm is important. How you think a 4GB SSD can work against 8GB RAM is beyond me. If you have questions I would be happy to answer. 4GB SSD on a HDD is going to be the failure of "Turbo RAM". It is fundamental.;):)
well i think the idea behind the "hybrid" design is that it takes the most accessed apps (like internet explorer/firefox or MS office for your normal user) and makes them accessible from the ssd rather than the normal hdd. thus they are accessed faster as you would see from an ssd. i don't think that this will catch on personally as you cant boot the OS or many major applications today off of a 4gb drive, so your bigger apps will still end up on your slower mechanical drive. how they define what apps boot off of the 4gb and if that switches is beyond me, but like i said i don't think that for most people the cost benefit will outweigh the smaller amount of ssd storage.

[powerpack]

well i think the idea behind the "hybrid" design is that it takes the most accessed apps (like internet explorer/firefox or MS office for your normal user) and makes them accessible from the ssd rather than the normal hdd. thus they are accessed faster as you would see from an ssd. i don't think that this will catch on personally as you cant boot the OS or many major applications today off of a 4gb drive, so your bigger apps will still end up on your slower mechanical drive. how they define what apps boot off of the 4gb and if that switches is beyond me, but like i said i don't think that for most people the cost benefit will outweigh the smaller amount of ssd storage.You do get it but why is it smaller? That is what you are not getting. That was the failure of the Robson Turbo Memory.

I want to be straight. If you fish a pond do you keep going to smaller ponds? No that is stupid. I am trying to tell you that algorithms rely on larger pools. That includes L1/L/?L3/RAM/HDD/SSD or whatever.

You need to ask.;):)

[p_schneider]

what about steam? you use it?

Yep, run steam too. In fact I run steam for 9 out of the 10 games I have installed with oblivion being the exception.

[BD2021]

You do get it but why is it smaller? That is what you are not getting. That was the failure of the Robson Turbo Memory.

I want to be straight. If you fish a pond do you keep going to smaller ponds? No that is stupid. I am trying to tell you that algorithms rely on larger pools. That includes L1/L/?L3/RAM/HDD/SSD or whatever.

You need to ask.;):)
i'm saying smaller in relation to what i would get for an ssd drive (mainly 60-80 gb minimum). 4<80. i'm not talking about the algorithms, that's beyond my expertise and i'll readily admit that. what i'm saying is that if i want to get ssd speed and the storage of a regular mechanical drive i think it would be a better investment to get 2 separate drives (1 ssd and 1 hdd) rather than a small ssd attachment which for me would not be very functional (can't boot OS or many big applications off of 4gb drive).

[powerpack]

i'm saying smaller in relation to what i would get for an ssd drive (mainly 60-80 gb minimum). 4<80. i'm not talking about the algorithms, that's beyond my expertise and i'll readily admit that. what i'm saying is that if i want to get ssd speed and the storage of a regular mechanical drive i think it would be a better investment to get 2 separate drives (1 ssd and 1 hdd) rather than a small ssd attachment which for me would not be very functional (can't boot OS or many big applications off of 4gb drive).I agree with your thoughts. You are correct.

[jbermi]

I'm curious, how do I see what brand/model my LCD is, and it's assembly date? Does this require disassembling the laptop, or can I find this information via software?

you can find this info using everest ultimate or HWinfo32.

[powerpack]

SiSoft Sandra also.

[p_schneider]

you can find this info using everest ultimate or HWinfo32.

Thanks for HWinfo32 link

Mine is a HannStar display
Monitor Name: HSD173PUW1

[ryukenden]

@d Liniz
I notice you max out cpu but no ssd?\

also I actually order on april 9 (late night) but offically its april 11

[ChyrosNX]

Weird. As per UPS, my G73 is now In Transit but my status is still P2?

[Slowboto]

Weird. As per UPS, my G73 is now In Transit but my status is still P2?

SURPRISE! :laugh:

[JKA0124]

Lucky son of a...I mean, YAY! Congrats!! :D

Poor Slowboto and I are waiting for the exact same machine (I think....A2 with updated wireless, right?).

[CorvusTech]

Lucky son of a...I mean, YAY! Congrats!! :D

Poor Slowboto and I are waiting for the exact same machine (I think....A2 with updated wireless, right?).

You guys made a good call in updating the wireless. The stock one is awful.

Wireless G speeds on a Wireless N card. Maddening. I think once I know mine's alive and breathing again, I'm going to get the intel card from my 1520 and replace the Aetheros one with it.

[ChyrosNX]

Lucky son of a...I mean, YAY! Congrats!! :D

Poor Slowboto and I are waiting for the exact same machine (I think....A2 with updated wireless, right?).

I dunno. I have to confirm first so I could confirm my excitement. Hahaha. :laugh:

[gadzooks64]

You guys made a good call in updating the wireless. The stock one is awful.

Wireless G speeds on a Wireless N card. Maddening. I think once I know mine's alive and breathing again, I'm going to get the intel card from my 1520 and replace the Aetheros one with it.

I purchased the upgraded wireless and I am so glad I did after hearing from my friend who replaced his himself because the Atheros wireless card interfered with his wireless mouse among other things.

I actually ordered an Intel 6200 for netbook that also sports a crappy Atheros g card. I'm hoping to get it today or tomorrow. The installation is supposed to be ridiculously easy.

My son has had issues with his Atheros N card but those seem to have settled down. If he has more problems in the future I will replace it with an Intel card.

I will never again willingly buy a machine with an Atheros wireless card. They simply suck too bad.

[CorvusTech]

I purchased the upgraded wireless and I am so glad I did after hearing from my friend who replaced his himself because the Atheros wireless card interfered with his wireless mouse among other things.

I actually ordered an Intel 6200 for netbook that also sports a crappy Atheros g card. I'm hoping to get it today or tomorrow. The installation is supposed to be ridiculously easy.

My son has had issues with his Atheros N card but those seem to have settled down. If he has more problems in the future I will replace it with an Intel card.

I will never again willingly buy a machine with an Atheros wireless card. They simply suck too bad.

It is REALLY easy in almost every computer. It's usually positioned so it's easily swapped without removing the board from the case. Just remember which wire was in position 1, and which was in position 2, and you're done.

It's usually easier to snap the wires onto the card, then install the card. You'll see what I mean when you do it.

[Slowboto]

Lucky son of a...I mean, YAY! Congrats!! :D

Poor Slowboto and I are waiting for the exact same machine (I think....A2 with updated wireless, right?).

Yep, seemed like a cheap upgrade and I liked the idea of Xotic testing out the machine some. Thought about going back to stock to shorten the wait, because I would have had mine in hand by now if I had, but others kept saying how great of an upgrade it is and I stuck with it.

Sounds like I made the right choice after reading some more comments from today. Of course the bad news is because of that unexpected trip I had to take to Florida for a funeral, I have to hold off on getting a wireless router that my card can take advantage of. Oh well, at least my current connection works well with gaming.

[ChyrosNX]

SURPRISE! :laugh:

Finally. It was tagged P4 officially.

Now my excitement is now official. :biggrin:

PHASE 4 !!!11!1!

[Slowboto]

Finally. It was tagged P4 officially.

Now my excitement is now official. :biggrin:

PHASE 4 !!!11!1!

Good stuff. Congrats on that.

[jbermi]

in other news, laps are cowering in fear...and desks, too.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480m-worlds-fastest-mobile-gpu-now-offici/

bet dell, er alienware will be one of the first major manufactures with it out, but I am sure a clevo will be the first one out with it in the US. *edit...press release says clevo will be the first.

[Ghostwolf]

How is the GTX 480M's performance compared with the HD5870? Dang the 480M's got 2GB of VRAM, must be a graphics monster (and monsterly expensive of course), but anyway I'm not worry because it may be a while before any laptop manufacturer uses it for its next gen gaming laptop.

[CorvusTech]

in other news, laps are cowering in fear...and desks, too.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480m-worlds-fastest-mobile-gpu-now-offici/

bet dell, er alienware will be one of the first major manufactures with it out, but I am sure a clevo will be the first one out with it in the US. *edit...press release says clevo will be the first.

I'm normally an nVidia fan, and this is my first step into ATI territory in years when I ordered the G73. After the display issues, I'm wondering if I shoulda waited lol.

Though i doubt it will be released on anything near this pricepoint.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

in other news, laps are cowering in fear...and desks, too.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480m-worlds-fastest-mobile-gpu-now-offici/

bet dell, er alienware will be one of the first major manufactures with it out, but I am sure a clevo will be the first one out with it in the US. *edit...press release says clevo will be the first.

Let me start by saying that this is my 1,000th post to this board!:D

Ok, now that we have that out of the way, on to the good stuff...

Power Consumption
Mobility 5870: 60W
480M: 100W
ADVANTAGE: ATI

Core Speed
Mobility 5870: 700 MHz
480M: 425 MHz
ADVANTAGE: ATI

Memory Speed
Mobility 5870: 1000 MHz
480M: 1200 MHz
ADVANTAGE: nVidia

Technology
Mobility 5870: 40 nm
480M: 40 nm
ADVANTAGE: Draw

Memory Bus Width
Mobility 5870: 128 Bit
480M: 256 Bit
ADVANTAGE: nVidia

Pipelines
Mobility 5870: 800 unified
480M: 352 unified
ADVANTAGE: ATI

Conclusion: nVidia still has a LONG way to go! The 480M is NOT a revolution. There's no way that I'd want a 100W GPU in my laptop that doesn't meet or beat the market leader. nVidia is just simply playing catch-up and they aren't even close, IMO.

[Slowboto]

How is the GTX 480M's performance compared with the HD5870? Dang the 480M's got 2GB of VRAM, must be a graphics monster (and monsterly expensive of course), but anyway I'm not worry because it may be a while before any laptop manufacturer uses it for its next gen gaming laptop.


Here is an article to partially answer your question:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/nvidia-gtx-480-makes-benchmarking-debut-matches-ati-hd-5870-per/

Edit:
The cards tested in this article were the desktop versions and not the mobile versions. Sorry for any confusion.

[jbermi]

I'm normally an nVidia fan, and this is my first step into ATI territory in years when I ordered the G73. After the display issues, I'm wondering if I shoulda waited lol.

Though i doubt it will be released on anything near this pricepoint.

i think it will be the successor to the clevo 900f that will get it first. bet we will be looking at about 2400 starting price or in that ballpark. maybe they need to pair this wattage hog with the new low voltage i7. lol.

i don't think the g73 issues are ATI issues, i think it is happening between the card and the LCD. so its either ASUS's motherboard or the LCD screen causing the issue.

[Slowboto]

Let me start by saying that this is my 1,000th post to this board!:D

Ok, now that we have that out of the way, on to the good stuff...

Power Consumption
Mobility 5870: 60W
480M: 100W
ADVANTAGE: ATI

Core Speed
Mobility 5870: 700 MHz
480M: 425 MHz
ADVANTAGE: ATI

Memory Speed
Mobility 5870: 1000 MHz
480M: 1200 MHz
ADVANTAGE: nVidia

Technology
Mobility 5870: 40 nm
480M: 40 nm
ADVANTAGE: Draw

Memory Bus Width
Mobility 5870: 128 Bit
480M: 256 Bit
ADVANTAGE: nVidia

Pipelines
Mobility 5870: 800 unified
480M: 352 unified
ADVANTAGE: ATI

Conclusion: nVidia still has a LONG way to go! The 480M is NOT a revolution. There's no way that I'd want a 100W GPU in my laptop that doesn't meet or beat the market leader. nVidia is just simply playing catch-up and they aren't even close, IMO.

Nice job and a hell of a 1000th post.

Thanks for posting that comparison. I posted an article that talks about comparing the benchmarks. Doesn't sound like this 480M really does anything special which goes with what you posted. Yeah it beat the 5870 by a bit in the tests but as the article pointed out, this was benchmark tests and not real world gamer stuff. Like a lot of things, it might have the power but doesn't do anything for you if developers are not making things to take advantage of it.

[gadzooks64]

It's usually easier to snap the wires onto the card, then install the card. You'll see what I mean when you do it.

This is exactly what my friend told me to do.

It is wishful thinking but I am hoping the new card arrives today or tomorrow.

Also, to all of those that ordered after me and are already P4, I hate you.

I hate you with a blinding passion.

That is all. :p

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Nice job and a hell of a 1000th post.

Thanks for posting that comparison. I posted an article that talks about comparing the benchmarks. Doesn't sound like this 480M really does anything special which goes with what you posted. Yeah it beat the 5870 by a bit in the tests but as the article pointed out, this was benchmark tests and not real world gamer stuff. Like a lot of things, it might have the power but doesn't do anything for you if developers are not making things to take advantage of it.

The only problem I have with the article is it is comparing the desktop versions which are vastly different than the mobile versions. I can't wait to see a 480M vs. Mobility 5870 test! I still think we all made the right decision and those that held out for an nVidia Dx11 card aren't going to get what they want out of the 480M.

[Solkaris]

I have been wondering if the people that are having issues after installing new drivers are in fact installing the correct drivers. You go look at the ATI site and there are 5870 drivers .. that are not for this mobile card. Not sure if its true in the OEM driver realm .. but I remember with old school X-Windows you had to get your video timings set correctly with the warning if you screwed it up you could smoke hardware. Just a thought.

[CorvusTech]

I have been wondering if the people that are having issues after installing new drivers are in fact installing the correct drivers. You go look at the ATI site and there are 5870 drivers .. that are not for this mobile card. Not sure if its true in the OEM driver realm .. but I remember with old school X-Windows you had to get your video timings set correctly with the warning if you screwed it up you could smoke hardware. Just a thought.

Well, the GSOD's are a driver issue, but the PSOD's aren't. Some people have had GSOD's with the stock drivers, though, and I'd say RMA that, because it's a PSOD waiting to happen.

[choyj]

The only problem I have with the article is it is comparing the desktop versions which are vastly different than the mobile versions. I can't wait to see a 480M vs. Mobility 5870 test! I still think we all made the right decision and those that held out for an nVidia Dx11 card aren't going to get what they want out of the 480M.

Same here! I'd like to see that, too! Not sure if you can compare some of things you listed out since it really depends on how things are implemented within the chip. If the 100 Watts is the amount of power it can draw (and if that's really true), that's gonna be tough for laptop manufacturers. I don't think Asus would call it G73 (modelled after the F-117), but maybe G74 modelled after a loud set of Pratt & Whitney afterburners. That's a lot of heat to dissipate so I doubt it will be as quiet as the G73. With a 40 watt difference, we'll need a larger power supply probably moving on up to a 200 watt brick. :eek:

[Slowboto]

The only problem I have with the article is it is comparing the desktop versions which are vastly different than the mobile versions. I can't wait to see a 480M vs. Mobility 5870 test! I still think we all made the right decision and those that held out for an nVidia Dx11 card aren't going to get what they want out of the 480M.

Damn, I missed that. Thought it was the mobile cards they were testing.

[Maverick494]

The only problem I have with the article is it is comparing the desktop versions which are vastly different than the mobile versions. I can't wait to see a 480M vs. Mobility 5870 test! I still think we all made the right decision and those that held out for an nVidia Dx11 card aren't going to get what they want out of the 480M.

I completely agree UMI. You know what I find funny? every site I can find that has the announcement is touting this card as the fastest mobile solution on the market without even having a reference sample to test. Based on the specs I think this thing is going to be an overpriced heating pad. I think this thing is going to cost a ton and at best be 2-5% better than the 5870M in a few tests and lose to it otherwise. Even with this chip Nvidia isn't showing anything particularly inspiring except, I guess, for the 2GB GDDR5.

As another side note 3DMark11 has been announced.

[D Luniz]

@d Liniz
I notice you max out cpu but no ssd?\

also I actually order on april 9 (late night) but offically its april 11

still looking for work
for I just upgraded the stuff I felt would be more trouble to self upgrade

once I have a stable income, I can jsut swap the drive out myself
the other stuff not so much

[CorvusTech]

So I'm having a shit week and it starts with my G73. I feel like ranting, so here goes.

Thingy 1: The PSOD

Sunday morning, my G73 PSOD's for good. Due to my work hours, I can't even ship it off for RMA until today. BLARGH

Thingy 2: Child Support

I'm a single dad with full custody of my son. His mother hasn't been around for almost 3 years (she's a ho). The state found her after she ran from her support obligation, and now this afternoon I have to leave work early to deal with her for the first time in 3 years in front of an arbiter.

Thingy 3: Huge Project gone wrong

The project I was supposed to do on the G73 now has to be done on a crappy Dell with a monitor from 1997. As such, I did half of the job, but due to information that didn't show due to the crappiness of this computer, I missed something key and have to start all over again.


<I need a better week!>

[Ghostwolf]

Here is an article to partially answer your question:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/nvidia-gtx-480-makes-benchmarking-debut-matches-ati-hd-5870-per/

Oooh impressive demostration, Yeah I've been always a buyer of Nvidia products, but since I already made up my mind buying the G73 with an ATI product, I guess I will stuck with it for a while, until Asus comes up with an even better gaming laptop equipped with Nvidia card.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Same here! I'd like to see that, too! Not sure if you can compare some of things you listed out since it really depends on how things are implemented within the chip. If the 100 Watts is the amount of power it can draw (and if that's really true), that's gonna be tough for laptop manufacturers. I don't think Asus would call it G73 (modelled after the F-117), but maybe G74 modelled after a loud set of Pratt & Whitney afterburners. That's a lot of heat to dissipate so I doubt it will be as quiet as the G73. With a 40 watt difference, we'll need a larger power supply probably moving on up to a 200 watt brick. :eek:

The specs came from notebookcheck.net so I hope they are accurate.

As for the power draw, I have no reason to doubt it. That was the first and most glaring issue that everyone talked about when the 470 & 480 desktop versions were released. It stands to reason that the M version will have a similar shortcoming.

I don't think that many notebook mfgs will be putting this card in their machines. Of course, the high-end gaming crowd will see them but I think that it is going to be in very few models and they will be very expensive because of the cooling and power requirements.

I know nVidia is trying to play catch-up but IMO, they should have shelved this GPU and waited until their tech was where it needs to be. The 480M, based on the specs I've seen, is just too much of a beast for today's mobile market.

[Slowboto]

So I'm having a shit week and it starts with my G73. I feel like ranting, so here goes.

Thingy 1: The PSOD

Sunday morning, my G73 PSOD's for good. Due to my work hours, I can't even ship it off for RMA until today. BLARGH

Thingy 2: Child Support

I'm a single dad with full custody of my son. His mother hasn't been around for almost 3 years (she's a ho). The state found her after she ran from her support obligation, and now this afternoon I have to leave work early to deal with her for the first time in 3 years in front of an arbiter.

Thingy 3: Huge Project gone wrong

The project I was supposed to do on the G73 now has to be done on a crappy Dell with a monitor from 1997. As such, I did half of the job, but due to information that didn't show due to the crappiness of this computer, I missed something key and have to start all over again.


<I need a better week!>

Damn man, really sorry to hear your week has started off so badly. Hope it improves from here on out.

[Slowboto]

Oooh impressive demostration, Yeah I've been always a buyer of Nvidia products, but since I already made up my mind buying the G73 with an ATI product, I guess I will stuck with it for a while, until Asus comes up with an even better gaming laptop equipped with Nvidia card.

I have to go back and edit that post, UMI pointed out that the cards tested were the desktop versions and not the notebook versions. Didn't realize that when I made the post.

[Slowboto]

This is exactly what my friend told me to do.

It is wishful thinking but I am hoping the new card arrives today or tomorrow.

Also, to all of those that ordered after me and are already P4, I hate you.

I hate you with a blinding passion.

That is all. :p

I'm guessing this means that mods are going to the later part of the estimated wait time. :(

[gstboy]

So I'm having a shit week and it starts with my G73. I feel like ranting, so here goes.

Thingy 1: The PSOD

Sunday morning, my G73 PSOD's for good. Due to my work hours, I can't even ship it off for RMA until today. BLARGH




Where do they have you sending it? Are they giving you a new one or just replacing the screen?

[gstboy]

The specs came from notebookcheck.net so I hope they are accurate.

As for the power draw, I have no reason to doubt it. That was the first and most glaring issue that everyone talked about when the 470 & 480 desktop versions were released. It stands to reason that the M version will have a similar shortcoming.

I don't think that many notebook mfgs will be putting this card in their machines. Of course, the high-end gaming crowd will see them but I think that it is going to be in very few models and they will be very expensive because of the cooling and power requirements.

I know nVidia is trying to play catch-up but IMO, they should have shelved this GPU and waited until their tech was where it needs to be. The 480M, based on the specs I've seen, is just too much of a beast for today's mobile market.

I'd like to see how hot these notebooks get with this card in it. It would probably be like having a hair dryer on your lap.

[jbermi]

I'd like to see how hot these notebooks get with this card in it. It would probably be like having a hair dryer on your lap.

put a metal bottom on it and you have yourself half a george foreman grill or a new iron for your shirts.

[Slowboto]

put a metal bottom on it and you have yourself half a george foreman grill or a new iron for your shirts.

I'm liking the multitasking abilities. :D

[JKA0124]

Finally. It was tagged P4 officially.

Now my excitement is now official. :biggrin:

PHASE 4 !!!11!1!

¡Felicidades! :D

So I'm having a shit week and it starts with my G73. I feel like ranting, so here goes...

Sorry about your shitty week. :(

put a metal bottom on it and you have yourself half a george foreman grill or a new iron for your shirts.

I'm liking the multitasking abilities. :D

:laugh:

[ChyrosNX]

How is the GTX 480M's performance compared with the HD5870? Dang the 480M's got 2GB of VRAM, must be a graphics monster (and monsterly expensive of course), but anyway I'm not worry because it may be a while before any laptop manufacturer uses it for its next gen gaming laptop.

480M can fry an egg while 5870 does not. :laugh:

[Slowboto]

480M can fry an egg while 5870 does not. :laugh:

Damn, it could potentially grill and cook an egg. Who wouldn't want this?

You're gaming and cooking breakfast at the same time.

I'm going to have to cancel my G73 and get whichever notebook fits this bad boy. Basically does everything I need to do at home.

[jbermi]

Damn, it could potentially grill and cook an egg. Who wouldn't want this?

You're gaming and cooking breakfast at the same time.

I'm going to have to cancel my G73 and get this bad boy. Basically does everything I need to do at home.

except wash your dishes.

[Slowboto]

except wash your dishes.

Paper plates and cups. Sure it isn't enivormentally friendly but at that point who cares? The kind of heat you will be generating with this little piece of armageddon is probably enough to be melting some ice caps.

There we go, another benefit. I won't need a heater in winter time and during the warm months I'll be sweating off any potential weight gain and remain in good shape for the beach.

I laugh at all of you and your 5870s. WORTHLESS! :laugh:

[ChyrosNX]

Paper plates and cups. Sure it isn't enivormentally friendly but at that point who cares? The kind of heat you will be generating with this little piece of armageddon is probably enough to be melting some ice caps.

There we go, another benefit. I won't need a heater in winter time and during the warm months I'll be sweating off any potential weight gain and remain in good shape for the beach.

I laugh at all of you and your 5870s. WORTHLESS! :laugh:

And I'll be laughing at your 10 mins laptop. :laugh:

[Slowboto]

I'm thinking there might be some military applications for this. Forget lasers, these GPUs will be able to melt far more faces.

[JKA0124]

The 480M: advancing weaponry and global climate change one gigabyte at a time.

[CorvusTech]

My shit week is improving. My ex went in, admitted she owes tons, begged for mercy, and I gave it to her. Now she's paying $180 a month instead and agreed she was bad for my son in front of a notary and an attorney for the state.

Plus when we met she was a slender Cherokee girl who turned heads. Now she's twice my size and sweats a lot. There's something about seeing an ex blow up like a balloon that just brightens anyone's day.


And as luck would have it, across the street was a Fedex Authorized location that could process the RMA. SWEET.

Edit: GST, I dunno if it's gonna be a repair or replacement. I don't really care; when it gets here I'm coding something real fast that cycles resolutions every 5 seconds and running it for two hours to test for a repeat offense.

[CorvusTech]

I also post on the Overclocker Forums and the frying an egg thing reminds me of early dual-core stories that got posted.

Like one guy who tried to "test" his build before fitting on his heatsink by putting an icepack directly on the die of an Athlon X2 2.4ghz.

[Slowboto]

My shit week is improving. My ex went in, admitted she owes tons, begged for mercy, and I gave it to her. Now she's paying $180 a month instead and agreed she was bad for my son in front of a notary and an attorney for the state.

Plus when we met she was a slender Cherokee girl who turned heads. Now she's twice my size and sweats a lot. There's something about seeing an ex blow up like a balloon that just brightens anyone's day.


And as luck would have it, across the street was a Fedex Authorized location that could process the RMA. SWEET.

Good stuff, glad to hear things are picking up for you.

[Slowboto]

The 480M: advancing weaponry and global climate change one gigabyte at a time.

That's hott.

[jbermi]

480M...what was really in the ark of the covenant at the end of raiders of lost ark.

[gizborne]

Hey i just called XoticPC cause they sent me an email to cantact them back for more information. So i did that and they told me that they dont have any CAR adaptor . Since im always in car, i was wondering what kind of output is the plug for the Asus G73 and/or where can i get it... Thx

W8ting for PHASE 2 REAL SOON

[jbermi]

Hey i just called XoticPC cause they sent me an email to cantact them back for more information. So i did that and they told me that they dont have any CAR adaptor . Since im always in car, i was wondering what kind of output is the plug for the Asus G73 and/or where can i get it... Thx

W8ting for PHASE 2 REAL SOON

well, to power this beast, you need at least a 400 watt power inverter hooked directly to the car battery, otherwise you will not get enough consistent wattage to power it. most car adaptors are just made for charging the battery and not actually running a laptop with this much power.

this is a very educational website... http://www.powerinverters.org/

this has been discussed prior in various threads.

[gizborne]

ok allright thank you, i guess this would do the job

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/SolarPortablePower/PowerPacks/PRD~0111810P/Motomaster%252BEliminator%252B600A%252BPowerBox.js p?locale=en (http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/SolarPortablePower/PowerPacks/PRD%7E0111810P/Motomaster%252BEliminator%252B600A%252BPowerBox.js p?locale=en)

OR this actualy

http://www.powerinverters.org/products/CPI-1000-Watt-Inverter.html

:)

[BD2021]

480M...what was really in the ark of the covenant at the end of raiders of lost ark.
must have been a slightly better model, if you dont look directly into this one it still melts your face off:laugh:

[JKA0124]

480M: It's what killed the dinosaurs.

[esorokowsky]

so my g73 went to p2 on 5/4 and it has been 15 business days since then and its still p2 and being built. Is this how long it took for everyone else? I only upgraded the wireless card FYI

[Slowboto]

480M...what was really in the ark of the covenant at the end of raiders of lost ark.

480M: It's what killed the dinosaurs.

:laugh::laugh:

[ChyrosNX]

480M: It's what killed the dinosaurs.

Lol. 480M description winner! :laugh:

I used to be a pro-NVidia GeForce because of their lead over ATI especially the PhysX technology for the previous years until ATI take the lead for providing DX11 early, fastest mobile GPU, more energy saving, and being lower-cost than Nvidia GPU counterpart. I am disappointed with GTX 480's temperature. Do they really have to tolerate higher temp just to beat ATI's current cards?

New external Nvidia Water Heater. Heats water in just seconds. It plays games very fast too!

[Slowboto]

so my g73 went to p2 on 5/4 and it has been 15 business days since then and its still p2 and being built. Is this how long it took for everyone else? I only upgraded the wireless card FYI

Because of the huge amount of orders they are processing the wait times have really increased on any upgrades. It's even worse if you upgrade the processor.

[esorokowsky]

Because of the huge amount of orders they are processing the wait times have really increased on any upgrades. It's even worse if you upgrade the processor.

damn i hope they stick with there original estimated time on mine since they told me it would be 9 to 16 days

[Slowboto]

damn i hope they stick with there original estimated time on mine since they told me it would be 9 to 16 days

I was given an estimation of 10-18 days, just a wireless card upgrade as well so you might hit 16 or slightly higher. It sucks but when you think about the fact that Xotic is not a huge company as far as employees working there, it is understandable. Not only working on the substantial G73 line but whatever other orders they might have for the other laptops. At least the wait is nearing the end and I would imagine you will hear something within the next week.

[esorokowsky]

I was given an estimation of 10-18 days, just a wireless card upgrade as well so you might hit 16 or slightly higher. It sucks but when you think about the fact that Xotic is not a huge company as far as employees working there, it is understandable. Not only working on the substantial G73 line but whatever other orders they might have for the other laptops. At least the wait is nearing the end and I would imagine you will hear something within the next week.

yeah i hope i hear from them soon. i was hoping to have it for this weekend when i go on vacation but ohh well i can live without it

[powerpack]

Corvus sorry to hear some things not going well. Good to hear some things are getting better. And yes nothing like when the ex becomes someone you would not even want to be with. Except she is your child's mother but oh well. You gotta take care of yourself and kid so the rest just falls as it will.

OK guys I have a problem with my G73. That or a mental breakdown?

The problem is I woke up this morning and saw a very small amount of liquid, say equal to three drops. I thought hmmm? Wiped away with my finger. No worry. Well open up after work exact same place same thing. I pay more attention. The liquid is a lightweight oily substance. So not beer?

I call Xotic talk to Joe. My immediate thought/concern is/was heat pipe is cracked and leaking. Joe tells me no fluid in the heat pipes says really just a copper heat sink. While I am not sure if that is true. After a look at the insides (not mine) I am not inclined to think it involves the "heat pipe".

Joe suspects external source, but I ruled out beer and it happened in two different external locations. The second being the backpack while 100% sober no residue at the bottom of the pack.

The location is on the left top side by the stickers. So optical drive side almost right on top of USB.

Here is a picture. See the stickers kind of along the edge seam elongated from the bottom of the stickers toward the front. Say a 1/4" max and about one inch long. It is also on the lid in the same place.

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/50305.jpg

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/50313.jpg

This is the inside it is flipped I do not know front to back or left to right but heat pipes look to be in the wrong location to be the issue.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3240/systemboard.jpg

So anyone have thoughts? Frost, Mav, UMI anyone? I do not think I spilled olive oil on my unit. I am hoping not a mental health issue. Could any grease/lubrication have been over applied and seeping? It is by the CD? I am not having issues with the unit. But of course I wanna know what is going on.

[JKA0124]

yeah i hope i hear from them soon. i was hoping to have it for this weekend when i go on vacation but ohh well i can live without it

I feel your pain. I was hoping to have mine for my vacation too.

Although, in other news, it looks like my vacation might be canceled. I was going to foot the bill for everyone but now certain family members feel guilty about not being able to pay so they don't want to go. And if they don't go, the rest of my family won't go because then it won't be a family vacation. :eeek2::eeek2: And of course I just don't feel up to vacationing alone.

If you had told me last week it was this hard to give someone an all-expenses-paid vacation, I would have laughed at you.

[Fr0st]

That sounds really strange, PP - any possibility that it could be something on the screen, and it dripped onto the keyboard area when the laptop was closed? I'd check the screen out carefully. I don't think it'd be the heatpipes. The only thing I can really think of leaking would be the battery, but that is obviously not the case.

Weird! Stay safe PP and keep us updated.

[Smpsn]

I would lay a few paper towels over the entire key board (maybe put a piece of cardboard in between the paper towels). Then close it for the night and see if it's coming from the monitor or from the base. Strange though..

[BD2021]

I feel your pain. I was hoping to have mine for my vacation too.

Although, in other news, it looks like my vacation might be canceled. I was going to foot the bill for everyone but now certain family members feel guilty about not being able to pay so they don't want to go. And if they don't go, the rest of my family won't go because then it won't be a family vacation. :eeek2::eeek2: And of course I just don't feel up to vacationing alone.

If you had told me last week it was this hard to give someone an all-expenses-paid vacation, I would have laughed at you.
all expenses paid you say? SOLD:laugh:

[JKA0124]

Damn, PP, that's odd. Keep us updated on what you find out.

[gstboy]

Edit: GST, I dunno if it's gonna be a repair or replacement. I don't really care; when it gets here I'm coding something real fast that cycles resolutions every 5 seconds and running it for two hours to test for a repeat offense.

The reason I asked is because with the replacement they will just swap out your upgraded parts (if you have any) to the new one and ship it out without testing it, that's how I got a PSOD on the second one. If they just replace your screen they will test it before they ship out. Hopefully yours will be going to Fremont though.

[powerpack]

That sounds really strange, PP - any possibility that it could be something on the screen, and it dripped onto the keyboard area when the laptop was closed? I'd check the screen out carefully. I don't think it'd be the heatpipes. The only thing I can really think of leaking would be the battery, but that is obviously not the case.

Weird! Stay safe PP and keep us updated.I do agree my heat pipe idea was off base I was just searching for a simple answer on the fly. The good is since it is at this point very unlikely I feel better. My CPU is running at normal temps. I have not checked batt. I will. I should add that I store this in the position of........ If laying flat I tilt to the left. Left Side is the bottom right side is the top. That does lend to left side being where gravity would draw any substance. Not trying to over state that as heat pipes would need way too much lateral movement as I describe?:)

I would lay a few paper towels over the entire key board (maybe put a piece of cardboard in between the paper towels). Then close it for the night and see if it's coming from the monitor or from the base. Strange though..Good thought, plastic would be a better barrier and I have. Thanks for the suggestion.:)

If this was some kind of thermal grease that was over applied it would not bother me at all. My main concern is trying to identify and resolve. I am a technician but not with computers. That said the same skill set of identification and resolution is involved.

Important to note I am not having any issues so all you wait listers do not panic. This is one nice system.

On the 480 I am reading about here today. Thanks UMI. And what is UMI it sounds like a venereal disease?:p:D I am mostly focused on UMI saying 5870 is 60w and 480 is 100. You guys know that is a 150% power increase? That is substantial.

Edit: OK my math sucks? Sorry, 67% increase is still a very great amount. I have been distracted with my spilt beer issue. I would edit but who cares I was wrong.

[powerpack]

And the colored girls go
Doo, doo doo, doo doo, doo doo doo...
?

[Solkaris]

Candy came from out on the Island
In the backroom she was everybody's darlin'
But she never lost her head
Even when she was giving head
She says, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side
I Said, Hey baby
Take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls go
Doo do doo do doo do do doo..

[powerpack]

You got it. Nice song hey?

[Solkaris]

But for messed up old songs that will crawl in a persons head and take days to get out I prefer

I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagine and it tastes just like coca-cola
C O L A cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
L O L A Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola


muhahahahahaha

[powerpack]

Yes we are talking songs of sexual ambiguity or maybe not? I would love to have a photo of so many singing thinking LOLA is a chick. All I gotta say I like girls but hey I am from Michigan.

[Slowboto]

I feel your pain. I was hoping to have mine for my vacation too.

Although, in other news, it looks like my vacation might be canceled. I was going to foot the bill for everyone but now certain family members feel guilty about not being able to pay so they don't want to go. And if they don't go, the rest of my family won't go because then it won't be a family vacation. :eeek2::eeek2: And of course I just don't feel up to vacationing alone.

If you had told me last week it was this hard to give someone an all-expenses-paid vacation, I would have laughed at you.

Change family vacation to random stranger vacation and I can promise you that me and a few others from here would have no problem going with you and having you foot the bill. :laugh:

[Solkaris]

Lola actually has a real history. Wrote the song after the band manager danced all night with a transvestite. Have to love rock and roll.

I dated a girl from Michigan (Detroit), she was a blast. Only woman I ever dated that I would have be comfortable having at my back in bar fight. Looked like Uma Thurman but crazy as they come.

[JKA0124]

I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagine and it tastes just like coca-cola
C O L A cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
L O L A Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola


Well I'm not the world's most physical guy
but when she squeezed me tight
she nearly broke my spine
oh my Lola la la la la Lola

That song is awesome. :laugh:

Change family vacation to random stranger vacation and I can promise you that me and a few others from here would have no problem going with you and having you foot the bill. :laugh:

:laugh: Yeah, I think I'll hold off on that one for a little while.

[Ghostwolf]

Now here's a situation, I will be out of the country on the 24th of June and I won't be back until the end of August, but I'm still in Phase 1 of the process. So that means if my order doesn't get done and shipped out before mid-June or so, that means I won't be at home to receive the package and subsequently it would be returned back to Xotic PC. Now what should I do? Should I cancel my order or can I suspend package shipping until later date?

[Slowboto]

Now here's a situation, I will be out of the country on the 24th of June and I won't be back until the end of August, but I'm still in Phase 1 of the process. So that means if my order doesn't get done and shipped out before mid-June or so, that means I won't be at home to receive the package and subsequently it would be returned back to Xotic PC. Now what should I do?

Probably need to contact Xotic about that and see if they can hold it until you get back. Either that or see if UPS can hold it but I would feel much more comfortable with Xotic keeping an eye on it.

[JKA0124]

When did you order and did you order stock? If not, is it possible to ship it to a trusted friend's house? You might just want to call up Xotic and see what they say.

ETA: ^ Yeah, what Slowboto said ^ :p

[Slowboto]

:laugh: Yeah, I think I'll hold off on that one for a little while.

Well you let us know when you change your mind. We'll be waiting. :wink2:

[powerpack]

You guys suck. What about me? My problems? OK I get the transgendered male fantasy crap. But what about me? I feel like I was kicked to the curb. I must admit if you guys step up and deny any homo tendencies you might get away with it. And if JK posts it will be hot and sexy. I have a score card and much like Santa I am checking it twice.

[JKA0124]

Well you let us know when you change your mind. We'll be waiting. :wink2:
For extra enjoyment I'll make it a trip for two and just have you dudes duke it out. On youtube. In Star Wars costumes. :yes:

[JKA0124]

You guys suck. What about me? My problems? OK I get the transgendered male fantasy crap. But what about me? I feel like I was kicked to the curb. I must admit if you guys step up and deny any homo tendencies you might get away with it. And if JK posts it will be hot and sexy. I have a score card and much like Santa I am checking it twice.

Me love you long time?

[powerpack]

Me love you long time?Closest thing to a relationship than I have had in 10+ years. I think I will take. Not that I compare that vs the two the homo erotic postings of the others. You know the song? Mr. Reed is a dirty birdy!:p Oh and his music sucks if you ask me.:D

So back on point the sad pathetic wailings of a fool who spent 10+ years alone? Compared to men men with a gay bent? At least they are more aggressive? I think on not being gay I get the nod. On being gay I give it to all the rest of them?:p

[retron09]

Corvus sorry to hear some things not going well. Good to hear some things are getting better. And yes nothing like when the ex becomes someone you would not even want to be with. Except she is your child's mother but oh well. You gotta take care of yourself and kid so the rest just falls as it will.

OK guys I have a problem with my G73. That or a mental breakdown?

The problem is I woke up this morning and saw a very small amount of liquid, say equal to three drops. I thought hmmm? Wiped away with my finger. No worry. Well open up after work exact same place same thing. I pay more attention. The liquid is a lightweight oily substance. So not beer?

I call Xotic talk to Joe. My immediate thought/concern is/was heat pipe is cracked and leaking. Joe tells me no fluid in the heat pipes says really just a copper heat sink. While I am not sure if that is true. After a look at the insides (not mine) I am not inclined to think it involves the "heat pipe".

Joe suspects external source, but I ruled out beer and it happened in two different external locations. The second being the backpack while 100% sober no residue at the bottom of the pack.

The location is on the left top side by the stickers. So optical drive side almost right on top of USB.

Here is a picture. See the stickers kind of along the edge seam elongated from the bottom of the stickers toward the front. Say a 1/4" max and about one inch long. It is also on the lid in the same place.

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/50305.jpg

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/50313.jpg

This is the inside it is flipped I do not know front to back or left to right but heat pipes look to be in the wrong location to be the issue.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3240/systemboard.jpg

So anyone have thoughts? Frost, Mav, UMI anyone? I do not think I spilled olive oil on my unit. I am hoping not a mental health issue. Could any grease/lubrication have been over applied and seeping? It is by the CD? I am not having issues with the unit. But of course I wanna know what is going on.

PP, not sure how thoroughly you've checked it yet, but it sounds like it could be some liquid possible leaking out of the LCD itself. If it is, it would have to be a VERY SMALL leak coming from that side of the LCD, after all, it is a Liquid Crystal Display. You may also be able to see some slight discoloration in the screen in that area while the system is powered on. This is just a suggestion and my guess as to what it could be...that is unless you are just in a daze and drooling on it.:laugh:

[BD2021]

Candy came from out on the Island
In the backroom she was everybody's darlin'
But she never lost her head
Even when she was giving head
She says, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side
I Said, Hey baby
Take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls go
Doo do doo do doo do do doo..
actually made me think of this song
little red riding hood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JOwxnVoG6Q)

[powerpack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Ep1nmwWU0

[powerpack]

PP, not sure how thoroughly you've checked it yet, but it sounds like it could be some liquid possible leaking out of the LCD itself. If it is, it would have to be a VERY SMALL leak coming from that side of the LCD, after all, it is a Liquid Crystal Display. You may also be able to see some slight discoloration in the screen in that area while the system is powered on. This is just a suggestion and my guess as to what it could be...that is unless you are just in a daze and drooling on it.:laugh:Good point. I am mostly worried about certain things. I am cool not really worried.

[powerpack]

This is it? I want greater response. I do not want agreement. Mav why no post? I really want posts I want fights?

[powerpack]

OK not a joke. I am putting my dog down. Whatever. I think Joe is wrong but so be it?

I will call Joe tomorrow but is not what thinks?

[Maverick494]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pipe

there is liquid in the heat pipe. Usually it is mostly water, though it can contain other things. look for a small break in the copper pipes to see if they are leaking. From your description I would think it would be rather a larger break. as for LCD leaking, if it were you would likely have picture issues, though it is also possible that the LCD is leaking dielectric.

[powerpack]

Thanks Mav.

[jbermi]

For extra enjoyment I'll make it a trip for two and just have you dudes duke it out. On youtube. In Star Wars costumes. :yes:


sweet. I need a vacation..from my family. an un-family vacation. i fight dirty. can I be yoda?

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/19/128663545155259988.jpg
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/19/128663545155259988.jpg)

[ChyrosNX]

My UPS status is now at IMPORT SCAN and it's been 7 hours since. How long this status gonna take?

[nikolai09]

So how you guys holdin out? XD

[powerpack]

All good with G73 this morning. No "oil" spot. Machine is working fine. And still looking and acting good.

[ChyrosNX]

Damn! What the hell is happening to UPS guys?

A VALID TAX IDENTIFICATION NUMBER OR DEFERMENT NUMBER IS REQUIRED FOR CLEARANCE / BROKERAGE RELEASED SHIPMENT. SHIPMENT IS SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY FOR FURTHER CLEARANCE

[JKA0124]

sweet. I need a vacation..from my family. an un-family vacation. i fight dirty. can I be yoda?

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/19/128663545155259988.jpg
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/19/128663545155259988.jpg)

:laugh::notworthy I need to print out that picture on sticker paper and slap it on my school books.

Damn! What the hell is happening to UPS guys?



Maybe they know it's a G73 and are planning to hold it up and test it out for you. :wideeyed:

[CorvusTech]

I shipped my RMA G73 off yesterday to Asus Indy in Jefferson, Indiana.

It arrived today at Indianapolis, around 8:45 in the morning, where it will be sorted for delivery, I'm sure.

The question becomes, why does it say Asus won't get it until Friday?

[jbermi]

I shipped my RMA G73 off yesterday to Asus Indy in Jefferson, Indiana.

It arrived today at Indianapolis, around 8:45 in the morning, where it will be sorted for delivery, I'm sure.

The question becomes, why does it say Asus won't get it until Friday?

thats odd.

jefferson is a suburb of indy.

[ChyrosNX]

All good with G73 this morning. No "oil" spot. Machine is working fine. And still looking and acting good.

Probably it ran out of oil. :laugh:

[Slowboto]

PP you should have tried to see if the liquid was flamable. Not because it would have helped you but because of all the pics posted of the G73, none have been of it on fire. It would have been something different. Just make up a story about how it happened and say it was an accident because that is what accident insurance is good for :D

Tell your brother you need to use his comp while the other gets replaced, since you paid for it you have a right to borrow it.

[gadzooks64]

Anybody else get an email like this:

Dear Valued Customer,
We wanted to inform you that your order has been updated with the following status & additional information:

New status: Phase 2 (Sent for Custom Building / Testing / Burn In & Final QA) 3-7 Business Days
Some additional notes placed on your order:

Thank you for your order with Xotic PC!

We wanted to send you an update on your custom ASUS laptop. As you may be aware we have recently moved to a larger location and were closed 5/19-5/21. We wanted to update you that we are working on production orders and completing them as fast as possible. With the recent move it delayed production a couple days as we set up production at our new facility. We deeply apologize for this inconvenience and wanted to provide you a update with your orders progress.

Once production is complete, we will update the status on your order to Phase 4 (Order Shipped) once the laptop has shipped and you will be e-mailed with tracking information to track the status of the package.

Thanks, Xotic PC

I got so excited thinking I was getting my tracking number but, alas, no.

[Slowboto]

Anybody else get an email like this:
Dear Valued Customer,
We wanted to inform you that your order has been updated with the following status & additional information:

New status: Phase 2 (Sent for Custom Building / Testing / Burn In & Final QA) 3-7 Business Days
Some additional notes placed on your order:

Thank you for your order with Xotic PC!

We wanted to send you an update on your custom ASUS laptop. As you may be aware we have recently moved to a larger location and were closed 5/19-5/21. We wanted to update you that we are working on production orders and completing them as fast as possible. With the recent move it delayed production a couple days as we set up production at our new facility. We deeply apologize for this inconvenience and wanted to provide you a update with your orders progress.

Once production is complete, we will update the status on your order to Phase 4 (Order Shipped) once the laptop has shipped and you will be e-mailed with tracking information to track the status of the package.

Thanks, Xotic PC

I got so excited thinking I was getting my tracking number but, alas, no.

I didn't but I went Phase 2 on late Friday afternoon so mine wouldn't have been delayed by the move. It was probably sent to all the people who had gone Phase 2 the previous week.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

This update was sent to numerous customers this morning by myself. We're just stating that we were closed on those days and ask that you don't count the 19-21st days in the production time frame that was quoted to you. We appreciate your understanding :)

[MoekZ]

This update was sent to numerous customers this morning by myself. We're just stating that we were closed on those days and ask that you don't count the 19-21st days in the production time frame that was quoted to you. We appreciate your understanding :)

Justin, does this mean Phase 2 is reduced to 3-7 days? Or it's still the 9-16 days that was emailed to us with the original phase 2? :confused: