G73 Pre-Order Wait List

[kiwi_pig]

Had my new G73 for about 3 hours now, uninstalling the bloat, priming my rig for my personal use, coating it in plastic wrap to contain my excitement... ya know the standard stuff


So far I have ZERO regrets about this G73 and I plan on throwing Battlefield: Bad Company 2 on it tonight and seeing how it runs some DX11 content.


should try it on gta 4, no one did a benchmark on tha yet
hey the shipment on 5th apr is not even in yet, how did you get the laptop before the 5th ????

is that a free 5 button mouse

[cntzero]

FYI, I am in phase 1, order date 2/18.

[Kunari]

Well, I have to agree with you. Seeing how I bought 2 of them!!!

Your new avatar, is that you? You look too young to have a 11 year old kid.

[Kunari]

The G73 boots up in 33-48 seconds with the SSD. Saw the video of a guy on youtube testing with HDD and then SSD. I believe with HDD it was taking 90-104 seconds, so a little improvement. I have a 256 kingston waiting to go in mine, was wondering if it was going to be any faster?

I'll have to get me a SSD soon... I hear good things about the Intel and OCX.

I've been thinking this little 40g Intel guy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167025&cm_re=SATA_II_MLC_SSD-_-20-167-025-_-Product

But 40g just sounds so tiny to me. :smile2:

[Fingersniffer]

hey the shipment on 5th apr is not even in yet, how did you get the laptop before the 5th ????

is that a free 5 button mouse

The mouse and backpack are included for free

My G73JH-A2 was a part of Xotic's last shipment in Feb as is the case for UMI and some others here on the forums.

[Fingersniffer]

I'll have to get me a SSD soon... I hear good things about the Intel and OCX.

I've been thinking this little 40g Intel guy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167025&cm_re=SATA_II_MLC_SSD-_-20-167-025-_-Product

But 40g just sounds so tiny to me. :smile2:

40g is just too small, you get the OS installed and ASUS bloatware and a few applications and its full to the max. Get an 80g+ trust me.

Right now I have about 30g used and I uninstalled much of the ASUS bloatware and only installed Office 2007 so far and a few small programs that are less then 200m total

[kiwi_pig]

asus g73 vip reservation list(update)

jan 2010
1)Boglesnurf: 1/1/10 PHASE 4 (A1)
2)Spesszer: 1/9/10 - PHASE 4 or SHIPPED??
3)algee99: 1/15/10 PHASE 2(phase 4 or cancel)
4)bid5052: 1/18/10 - PHASE 2(phase 4 or cancel)
5)haunterzerox: 1/18/10 - PHASE 2? (phase 4 or cancel)
6)CoOkIe_MoNsTeR: 1/18/10 - HAS ONE FROM ANOTHER RESELLER, WAITING ON RIG FROM XOTIC
7)icemonkey9: 1/19/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
8)RozZy: 1/19/10 - SHIPPED!
9)Sigil82: 1/20/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
10)jamiemacca: 1/22/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
11)Nokarma: 1/23/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
12)nadkins: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
13)Destal: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
14)rastamandom: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
15)Nukie: end of January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
16)popwar: some time in January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
17)Predator Hunter: 1/31/10(phase 4 or cancel)

feb 2010
18)Christoff: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
19)Millianz: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
20)fingersniffer-2/1/10 (phase 4)new -active user
21)honkhonkhonk: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
22)sshen: 2/2/10(phase 4 or cancel)
23)gdw-2/2/10 (phase 2) (phase 4 or cancel)
24)UntilMoraleImproves: 2/3/10(phase 4) new-active user
25)singleshot71: 2/3/10 (Phase 4 )new -active user
26)Halaster: 2/4/10(phase 4)new
27)mr.E doc-2/4/10
28)Braeyn: 2/5/10 (phase 2) new-active user
29)Culnaur: 2/6/10
30)desipalen-2/6/10 (phase 2) new
31)Dueter: 2/7/10
32)drremi: 2/8/10( waiting for the confirmation on phase 2) new-active user
33)Bgeorgiev.Boris: 2/8/10
34)Anemos: 2/8/10
35)Mekhit: 2/9/10 (order cancel) active user
36)Macedon: 2/9/10
37)Rick: 2/10/10
38)Dusk: 2/10/10
39)AmarilloMike: 2/12/10
40)palmgopher: 2/12/10
41)PMuse: 2/13/10 (possibly bumped down to 2/17)
42)TenetSW: 2/18/10
43)ludain: 2/18/10
44)DRevan: 2/18/10
45)cntzero-2/18/10 (phase 1) new
46)Rannd: 2/19/10
47)mrpete: 2/19/10
48)mertesn: 2/19/10
49)ZorrosRage: 2/21/10
50)Verbal: 2/21/10
51)retron09: 2/22/10
52)fangloveyan: 2/22/10
53)mavvrick: 2/23/10
54)tony_1017: 2/23/10
55)buddasahn: 2/23/10
56)FupDuck: 2/24/10
57)spatufsa-2/24/10
58)dylan121: 2/26/10
59)romerom: 2/26/10 -active user
60)Alikazam: 2/26/10
61)BizzleFizzle: 2/27/10
62)jayyy: either 2/28/10 or 3/2/10 depending on the calendar he used
63)ssbm-2/28/10

march2010
64)JMW_WPM: 3/1/10
65)Nemax: 3/2/10
66)Cheesyc: 3/2/10
67)DadOudidOuda: 3/3/10
68)Grimreaper: 3/3/10
69)MrScience2008: 3/4/10
70)macedonia-A1 on March 4
71)Fr0st: 3/5/10-active user
72)xyz: 3/5/10
73)Tonylo: 3/6/10
74)WaHaHa: 3/6/10
75)smiley84: 3/7/10
76)aragog-3/8/2010
77)Goetterdaemmerung: 3/9/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
78)sage99-3/10/10
79)kingtz: SWITCHED TO SAGER
80)TheCrazyCanuck: 3/5/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
81)tuckerjt07: ?
82)sixtysix: ?
83)cain: ?
84)plan99fromouterspace: ?
85)desipalen: ?
86)dominator246: ?
87)kiwi_pig- 17/3/2010 (178XX) phase 1-active user
88)kunari-18/3/2010 ?? 17909 (phase 1)-active user
89)Striker1010: 3/22/10 (phase 1)-active user
90)gadzooks64-3/23/10 (180xx)(phase 1)
91)teitan-3/24/10 (phase 1)(180XX)
92)rake-3/24/10 (phase 1) new


APR
93)raphy-1apr... due to the late wire transfer you will most probably be on apr, good luck mate :)
94)powerpack- status unknown



green-phase 4/ship/cencel
brown-active user
teal -SWITCHED
purple-date
red-number


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new updatehttp://www.kmod.tv/storage/XoticPCG73OwnersCLubv2extended.png


6 more days to the 5th of apr


cant wait till then, thanks joseph for the information


kiwi_pig

[kiwi_pig]

FYI, I am in phase 1, order date 2/18.\



dont need to fyi me, your update is done:laugh:

[kiwi_pig]

The mouse and backpack are included for free

My G73JH-A2 was a part of Xotic's last shipment in Feb as is the case for UMI and some others here on the forums.


hey finger can you give me your order number now, since you have no used of it, i need to update it on the list

[kiwi_pig]

hey i need some rep power T___T

[singleshot71]

Your new avatar, is that you? You look too young to have a 11 year old kid.
LOL, not me, my lil bro, who just left for IRAQ(again). He has a 13 yo son for christ sake...he e-mailed this photo just b4 he shipped out. Gonna be a long year for him (his 3rd tour) just a friendly reminder of who is serving this country. BTW, I'm only 3 years older than he is!!!!

[singleshot71]

Kingston will be slower, right now the best SSD drives are the Intel and OCZ Vertex II's

And my Intel didnt take but about 25-30 sec max to boot into desktop ready to go.
Here is the video I was watching..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ4uj5iODx8

[powerpack]

kiwi change my status from unknown to "broke". No check so far today. Hi all, better mood on the board today. Funny what new G73's does for the mood.

[striker1010]

kiwi change my status from unknown to "broke". No check so far today. Hi all, better mood on the board today. Funny what new G73's does for the mood.

I am sure you will get the check man!! U said tomorrow you have a good chance of getting it right?

[drremi]

hey i need some rep power T___T

I gave you one! Doing a great job!!!! :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[desipalen]

Phase 4!

I changed my order to the A2 + blu-ray upgrade a while back when they were asking everyone to change for a faster shipment, but I just noticed the same-day Phase 4 update, went back and low-and-behold, a stock A1 was shipped. A little disappointed my laptop won't be tested especially with all the issues I've heard about with the stock blu-ray player, but I'm fairly sure I can fix that myself w/o too-much hassle. More importantly, any disappointment felt from the lack of testing is vastly overwhelmed by the excitement that my laptop is going to get here a week faster than expected! :laugh:

[algee99]

asus g73 vip reservation list(update)

jan 2010

3)algee99: 1/15/10 PHASE 2(phase 4 or cancel)



kiwi_pig, please show algee99 as phase 5 (laptop received):smile2:

Thanks

[Kunari]

hey i need some rep power T___T

Drama queen. *click* OK there ya go. :laugh:

[Kunari]

LOL, not me, my lil bro, who just left for IRAQ(again). He has a 13 yo son for christ sake...he e-mailed this photo just b4 he shipped out. Gonna be a long year for him (his 3rd tour) just a friendly reminder of who is serving this country. BTW, I'm only 3 years older than he is!!!!


:notworthy:notworthy For you and your bro. I for one appreciate your service to our country. My brother was in the Navy for 20 years.

[powerpack]

Just to be clear kiwi I made you a 2 I watched it happen. Before I even read the rep beggin.:p:D

[Fingersniffer]

You want my order number? buddy it isnt magical, it will not speed up the passage of time.

this is the closest you will get to my number: 16***

[powerpack]

You want my order number? buddy it isnt magical, it will not speed up the passage of time.

this is the closest you will get to my number: 16***You are correct. Can I get your credit card # it will help pass the time.;):D

[Kunari]

You are correct. Can I get your credit card # it will help pass the time.;):D

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Good one PP. :notworthy

[choyj]

I'll have to get me a SSD soon... I hear good things about the Intel and OCX.

I've been thinking this little 40g Intel guy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167025&cm_re=SATA_II_MLC_SSD-_-20-167-025-_-Product

But 40g just sounds so tiny to me. :smile2:

Trust fingersniffer. I just did a fresh install of Windows 7 Enterprise on a work machine here and it took about 20 GB of space. Windows 7 Enterprise is equivalent to Windows 7 Ultimate in the retail space. Not sure how much space a fresh install of Windows 7 Home would take, but you're better off with a bigger SSD drive. With an SSD drive, the less free space you have, the more wear and tear you'll put on the drive.

We talked about it a while ago in another thread (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?p=25995#post25995).

[drremi]

Just to be clear kiwi I made you a 2 I watched it happen. Before I even read the rep beggin.:p:D
I decided to give Kiwi a rep. He's doing a good job!
Your so funny PP! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Fingersniffer]

With only uninstalling some of the bloatware and installing afew items that go into the startup menu I have my boot time down to 21-22 seconds pretty consistantly. I think once I do some actual tweeks I can get it a little closer to the 15 second range.

And another thing, I love this keyboard, this is the first laptop I've ever used that I could type as quickly as I can on my normal desktop keyboard.

[drremi]

With only uninstalling some of the bloatware and installing afew items that go into the startup menu I have my boot time down to 21-22 seconds pretty consistantly. I think once I do some actual tweeks I can get it a little closer to the 15 second range.

And another thing, I love this keyboard, this is the first laptop I've ever used that I could type as quickly as I can on my normal desktop keyboard.

Well that is wonderful! Glad your happy and all! I have moments where I get angry reading this stuff! If I don't go into phase 2 this week, it'll be the second week in April before it goes into production! That is well into 2 months
of waiting!
I know what Joesph said we be happy and all! But Christ sake over 2 months!

I know shut TFU! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[retron09]

I want mine now! Now, I say! I don't want to wait a second longer! I think I'm losing my frickin' mind now! One of you bastards needs to give me yours.......NOW, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eeek2::eek::eeek2::eek ::eeek2::eek::eeek2::eek::eeek2::eek::eeek2::eek:: eeek2::eek::eeek2::eek::eeek2::eek::eeek2:

[Fingersniffer]

Just ran the Unigine Heaven DX11 benchmark, 17.7 Average FPS, Min 10.5 FPS, Max 43.9 FPS Default Test Settings. Score was 447

CPU didn't go above 54c, and I don't have a temp monitor yet that works for the 5870 (need to look for one)

The air coming out of the back during the test was pretty warm but not to a point where my hand felt like it was going to burn. Right side gets slightly hotter than the left, but overall seems to be a pretty equal in heat removal.

Not sure if it really matters to anyone but my laptop shuts down in 3 seconds lol

Still need to install the new Cat 10.3 drivers too, will re-run the test afterwards.

[singleshot71]

Just ran the Unigine Heaven DX11 benchmark, 17.7 Average FPS, Min 10.5 FPS, Max 43.9 FPS Default Test Settings. Score was 447

CPU didn't go above 54c, and I don't have a temp monitor yet that works for the 5870 (need to look for one)

The air coming out of the back during the test was pretty warm but not to a point where my hand felt like it was going to burn. Right side gets slightly hotter than the left, but overall seems to be a pretty equal in heat removal.

Not sure if it really matters to anyone but my laptop shuts down in 3 seconds lol

Still need to install the new Cat 10.3 drivers too, will re-run the test afterwards.
That's great and all, thanks for the info. But,what PP and UMI REALLY want to know is....Can you play WOW and watch porn at the same time? If you could test that for THEM, it will make their day. :laugh::laugh:

[Fingersniffer]

Keyboard illumination is a 3 setting dimmer so you can get as much or little keyboard lighting as you need.

The on screen icons and animations look very nice and fade in and out smoothly, this I used in several functions of the ASUS software.

I'm not fond of the Splendid software and its attachment to a physical button all to itself (top left button). It looks pretty crappy in other modes and you pretty much feel you have to leave it installed on the laptop or you have a button that does nothing at the top of the keyboard.

I will once again comment on this mouse, on the fly DPI changes are a gamers dream and the look and feel (and the animation on the mouse LED's are a nice touch) I would expect to pay $50-80 for it through a retailer and it would be worth every penny. Couldn't have asked for a better "free" mouse.

Speakers sound quality is good, but I have heard better in other upper end systems, I haven't played with any sound settings yet and it might improve once I do.

Keyboard is very comfortable and the 5 degree angle makes it a joy to type on. Keys are very responsive and some of the reviews about the keyboard itself I've read I expected it to be hard to type on or some other slight annoyance. My only real complaint is as many of the reviews have stated, the touch pad buttons are a pain to use and require a hard press (harder than you think) and if you don't hit it in the right spot you get nothing. Good thing it comes with an awesome mouse to compensate for it.

Some people have made comments about the upgrade Intel 6200 wireless card, I've had zero issues with it so far and it connected to my router securely in seconds. Money well spent.

Battery life is to be expected from a powerhouse like this, once you take it off the plug I would imagine you get about 1.5 hours on a battery charge or less if you are doing some intensive work/gaming.

[Fingersniffer]

That's great and all, thanks for the info. But,what PP and UMI REALLY want to know is....Can you play WOW and watch porn at the same time? If you could test that for THEM, it will make their day. :laugh::laugh:

WoW at max settings and HD porn will be no problem with this laptop!

[singleshot71]

WoW at max settings and HD porn will be no problem with this laptop!
AWESOME :D:D:D:D:D I mean for PP and UMI, of course.:yes::laugh:

[striker1010]

Can you test blu-ray porn on this laptop to make sure the blu-ray looks good on the 1080p lcd screen? Maybe you could make a video review on it.

I just wanna make sure the LCD is working good is all.

[singleshot71]

Can you test blu-ray porn on this laptop to make sure the blu-ray looks good on the 1080p lcd screen? Maybe you could make a video review on it.
:yes::D:yes::D:yes:

[powerpack]

Yea I wanna know if it makes like you are there?

[singleshot71]

Yea I wanna know if it makes like you are there?
3d porn....awesome!!!!! Hmmm, wonder if it is too late to switch to the G51 3d model?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Fr0st]

Not sure if I'm a fan of HD porn. In HD you see EVERYTHING. And that's not always a GOOD thing :laugh:

[singleshot71]

Not sure if I'm a fan of HD porn. In HD you see EVERYTHING. And that's not always a GOOD thing :laugh:
What about smell-a-vision? And 3d combined?:tongue::swoon:

[choyj]

The air coming out of the back during the test was pretty warm but not to a point where my hand felt like it was going to burn. Right side gets slightly hotter than the left, but overall seems to be a pretty equal in heat removal.


What? It's supposed to be hot! It resembles an F-117 and those two external exhaust pipes are for the afterburners. :laugh:

[singleshot71]

What? It's supposed to be hot! It resembles an F-117 and those two external exhaust pipes are for the afterburners. :laugh:
More like this than an f-17 http://www.gentlemansgadgets.com/for%20men/images/2008/03/lamborghini-reventon.jpg. http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pictures/Cars/lamborghini/reventon/small/lamborghini_reventon-7.jpg
(http://www.gentlemansgadgets.com/for%20men/images/2008/03/lamborghini-reventon.jpg)

[striker1010]

The right side gets slightly hotter, it is the side with the CPU i guess so it would be somewhat expected unless your are running a game in which case the left side might be a bit hotter.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

No WoW for UMI but I am always up for some good pron. LOL

[singleshot71]

No WoW for UMI but I am always up for some good pron. LOL
The other day I was trying to decide if your avatar was MAGNUM P.I. without the beard or an 80's porn actor? Guess you made it clear!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[powerpack]

No WoW for UMI but I am always up for some good pron. LOLGood point why have a large beautiful high resolution screen if your not going to use it all. I mean every raw jucy erotic pixel. Know what I mean UMI.;)

[Braeyn]

Phase 4 shipped.... :laugh:
LINCOLN, NE, US 03/30/2010 10:03 P.M.DEPARTURE SCAN

[singleshot71]

Phase 4 shipped.... :laugh:
yeahhhhhhhh!!!! when we all going to get together and frag the hell out of each other????:notworthy:notworthy

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Phase 4 shipped.... :laugh:

Congrats!!

[powerpack]

Braeyn can I have my box of tissues back since you don't need them anymore.:p

Congrats!:)

[UntilMoraleImproves]

The other day I was trying to decide if your avatar was MAGNUM P.I. without the beard or an 80's porn actor? Guess you made it clear!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Damn Single, you sure know how to hurt a guy. First off, while I respect Magnum, I would say the avatar is more 'Don Johnson' like. Second, my av is esentially a caricature of myself...:(

[singleshot71]

Damn Single, you sure know how to hurt a guy. First off, while I respect Magnum, I would say the avatar is more 'Don Johnson' like. Second, my av is esentially a caricature of myself...:(
You see if you were smart you would've said...I was a stunt double for MAG and Peter North!!!!:laugh::notworthy:notworthy:laugh: You know I only kid.....

[powerpack]

You see if you were smart you would've said...I was a stunt double for MAG and Peter North!!!!:laugh::notworthy:notworthy:laugh:Watchin g Peter North Movies alone does not make you a stunt double even though you could hurt yourself.:laugh:

[Braeyn]

WoW at max settings and HD porn will be no problem with this laptop!

Can you test blu-ray porn on this laptop to make sure the blu-ray looks good on the 1080p lcd screen? Maybe you could make a video review on it.

I just wanna make sure the LCD is working good is all.

Not sure if I'm a fan of HD porn. In HD you see EVERYTHING. And that's not always a GOOD thing :laugh:

Braeyn can I have my box of tissues back since you don't need them anymore.:p

Congrats!:)
If you read the above comments... You'll understand why you can't have your tissues back... :yes::yes:

[Braeyn]

yeahhhhhhhh!!!! when we all going to get together and frag the hell out of each other????:notworthy:notworthy
When I get this beast, monday the 5th, I'll set up my steam account and we'll get some stuff going.

[Fr0st]

Hahaha, I love you guys. Lets pick a game to play together when we all get our G73's!

[UntilMoraleImproves]

You see if you were smart you would've said...I was a stunt double for MAG and Peter North!!!!:laugh::notworthy:notworthy:laugh: You know I only kid.....

Dude, I know. Sarcasm is a tough thing to show on the interwebs.

Oddly enough, most of you have probably seen some of my pro work but that's all I'm saying...
(no, not in porn...well...as long as that one tape didn't get out...)

[singleshot71]

Hahaha, I love you guys. Lets pick a game to play together when we all get our G73's!
I vote MW2!!! Love the game play and graphics

[Braeyn]

Dude, I know. Sarcasm is a tough thing to show on the interwebs.

Oddly enough, most of you have probably seen some of my pro work but that's all I'm saying...
(no, not in porn...well...as long as that one tape didn't get out...)
I haven't leaked our tape yet...

[choyj]

yeahhhhhhhh!!!! when we all going to get together and frag the hell out of each other????:notworthy:notworthy

If you see me online on Bad Company 2 or Modern Warfare 2, you'll see me listed a shayha. Short for Simo Hayha (http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/white-death-simo-hayh/20951). I'm nowhere near as good as him as he has a real-life 705-to-1 kill/death streak.... whereas my ratio is less than 1.

[singleshot71]

Dude, I know. Sarcasm is a tough thing to show on the interwebs.

Oddly enough, most of you have probably seen some of my pro work but that's all I'm saying...
(no, not in porn...well...as long as that one tape didn't get out...)
Have you been to a Wal-Mart, BB,Target,K-Mart,any grocery store,Lowe's,Home Depot,Nissan car dealership,Ford,Chevy or any other store for that matter? Then you have ALL seen my work!!! :laugh::swoon:

[Braeyn]

If you see me online on Bad Company 2 or Modern Warfare 2, you'll see me listed a shayha. Short for Simo Hayha (http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/white-death-simo-hayh/20951). I'm nowhere near as good as him as he has a real-life 705-to-1 kill/death streak.... where as my ratio is less than 1.
I plan on playing BC2, MW2, L4D2, Crysis and Warhead, TW... and whatever else.

[Braeyn]

Have you been to a Wal-Mart, BB,Target,K-Mart,any grocery store,Lowe's,Home Depot,Nissan car dealership,Ford,Chevy or any other store for that matter? Then you have ALL seen my work!!! :laugh::swoon:
You're a janitor? That target restroom is out of TP FYI...

[choyj]

I'm not fond of the Splendid software and its attachment to a physical button all to itself (top left button). It looks pretty crappy in other modes and you pretty much feel you have to leave it installed on the laptop or you have a button that does nothing at the top of the keyboard.


Consider using AutoHotKey (http://www.autohotkey.com/) to detect what keycode you get when you press that key and then remap the key to some function of your choosing.

My only real complaint is as many of the reviews have stated, the touch pad buttons are a pain to use and require a hard press (harder than you think) and if you don't hit it in the right spot you get nothing.


Asus probably thought "Hey, gamers aren't going to use this mouse pad to play games, so we won't spend any more than we need to on the touchpad and buttons."

It's a Synaptics touch pad, right? Try this Synaptics driver (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=44505922#44505922), it gives you 2-finger scroll. It works with my 4-year old laptop at work. Supposedly gives you pinch gestures as well if the Synaptics hardware is new enough, but I've not tried that and I don't know if it's true or not. It was recently released a few weeks ago (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-81335-1&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=4062&product=4099578).

Can't wait to get my G73, too!

[singleshot71]

I plan on playing BC2, MW2, L4D2, Crysis and Warhead, TW... and whatever else.
I've got a 3 pack for Crysis from BB,haven't had a chance to play it yet. I kick ass on MW1/2 though.

[singleshot71]

You're a janitor? That target restroom is out of TP FYI...
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh: Hell no, but why are you hanging out at the Target bathrooms so much for?:wideeyed:

[Braeyn]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh: Hell no, but why are you hanging out at the Target bathrooms so much for?:wideeyed:
Make good money working the glory hole. That's how UMI and I spend our time together.

[singleshot71]

I posted in off topic, anybody has any answers?

[powerpack]

Make good money working the glory hole. That's how UMI and I spend our time together.I see this going the way of the biscuit conversation. I learned way more than I wanted to know.:D

[singleshot71]

I see this going the way of the biscuit conversation. I learned way more than I wanted to know.:D
We had a bet....150 pages in this thread b4 I got my g73 versus you eating the biscuit? We are way pass 150 and UMI has the biscuit!!!! EAT UP SUCKA :laugh:

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Make good money working the glory hole. That's how UMI and I spend our time together.

Yeah, Braeyn was catching.

[Braeyn]

Yeah, Braeyn was catching.
Brotherly love. The bondage we share transcends our physical ties.:wub:

[UntilMoraleImproves]

We had a bet....150 pages in this thread b4 I got my g73 versus you eating the biscuit? We are way pass 150 and UMI has the biscuit!!!! EAT UP SUCKA :laugh:

Now that I'm not at work I was able to look up the 'biscuit' reference. And on that note, I'm signing off for the night! Yikes!

[powerpack]

I heard some Xotic customers were asking for a "happy ending" since they had to wait like 2 months for their G73. Was that UMI and Braeyn?;)

[UntilMoraleImproves]

I heard some Xotic customers were asking for a "happy ending" since they had to wait like 2 months for their G73. Was that UMI and Braeyn?;)

I'm saving my happy ending for the UPS driver!

[Braeyn]

I heard some Xotic customers were asking for a "happy ending" since they had to wait like 2 months for their G73. Was that UMI and Braeyn?;)
Probably me... Sounds like something I would say. I also offered hummers in the xotic parking lot if I got my lappy before UMI... I think he'll have his this week though and I'll have mine next.

[singleshot71]

I'm saving my happy ending for the UPS driver!
Glad I DON'T work for UPS!!!!:eeek2:

[retron09]

I'm saving my happy ending for the UPS driver!

Just a slap on the ass and a "good game" will do UMI. :laugh:

[powerpack]

I hope UMI knows what a happy ending is?

[Braeyn]

Just a slap on the ass and a "good game" will do UMI. :laugh:
That'll do pig.

[Fingersniffer]

Well I was blessed enough for EA to give me a free copy of Bad Company 2 this past week, so I'll be ready to knife you when you all get your rigs.

[retron09]

I'm glad you guys all are getting your rigs. To be honest with you, if mine isn't part of the shipment that comes in next week, I may have to change my order. I really need a computer by the 16th of April for my next trip to San Fran. I don't want to have to change my order because I really want the G73, so I'll keep my fingers crossed that I'll hear from one of the Triple J's next week.:wideeyed:

[powerpack]

You get a different notebook you spend 3 years with regret.

But if you do my cat says!

http://lastpixel.tv/media/i/11227133235.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[retron09]

You get a different notebook you spend 3 years with regret.

But if you do my cat says!

http://lastpixel.tv/media/i/11227133235.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You're not helping PP. I know i'll regret it, hopefully I'll get good news next week and won't have to worry about it.

[choyj]

I'm glad you guys all are getting your rigs. To be honest with you, if mine isn't part of the shipment that comes in next week, I may have to change my order. I really need a computer by the 16th of April for my next trip to San Fran. I don't want to have to change my order because I really want the G73, so I'll keep my fingers crossed that I'll hear from one of the Triple J's next week.:wideeyed:

You could always purchase a netbook or borrow a laptop before you go on your trip if you weely weely want that G73.

[powerpack]

That is a good idea.

[retron09]

You could always purchase a netbook or borrow a laptop before you go on your trip if you weely weely want that G73.

That's what I'm thinking about doing, maybe borrowing one. I think i'd be retarded to pass up the G73 after waiting for it this long now.:eeek2:

[powerpack]

retron why have you not joined my cult? Link (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/group.php?groupid=3).

[retron09]

retron why have you not joined my cult? Link (http://www.xoticpcforums.com/group.php?groupid=3).

What?:confused:

Nevermind, I'm in now.

[Fingersniffer]

Did my first round of bench tests tonight, figured I'd share them.

[powerpack]

FS are you gonna OC with AMD GPU Clock Utility?

NWGuru/Mandrake broke 17,000 3DMark06 w/920XM.

[Fingersniffer]

FS are you gonna OC with AMD GPU Clock Utility?

NWGuru/Mandrake broke 17,000 3DMark06 w/920XM.

Generally I do not OC anything unless I feel I need to, I might clock it up to run some more benchmarks but I see no reason to leave it that way unless I see suffered game performance.

And honestly, big numbers in benchmark doesn't really mean anything in real world performance, outside of benchmark tests like the ones I ran and they ran games nor applications run your CPU to the max and only a few games will ramp out your GPU on their highest settings.

I've been an Alpha/Beta tester for companies like EA, Activision, Outspark etc so I've seen my fair share of people spending too much money on a system to let most of it go to waste lol because nothing utilizes it.

EDIT:
Now that I re-read it 3DMark06 is really an outdated and useless test for newer tech, of course it gets high scores, the application is 4 years old lol.

[powerpack]

I agree I do not keep OC'd it is a notebook. I do for benching and to see if it helps a game. I do CPU and GPU on my current for fun when I got, no reason to keep OC currently.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

I'm glad you guys all are getting your rigs. To be honest with you, if mine isn't part of the shipment that comes in next week, I may have to change my order. I really need a computer by the 16th of April for my next trip to San Fran. I don't want to have to change my order because I really want the G73, so I'll keep my fingers crossed that I'll hear from one of the Triple J's next week.:wideeyed:
Retron, hold tight man! Take PP up on his suggestion to netbook the trip if the G73 isn't there. If we assume that the shipment is going to hit on the 5th and that it takes at least four days to get to Xotic, they probably won't be there until the 12th (assuming they don't get them on weekends). Then they have to go through what they got and start sending P2 notifications, confrim final specs and run CC's on those that didn't pre-pay. That means production probably won't start until the 13th or 14th. If you are in the first batch and picked overnight shipping, and are getting a stock model, you might get it by the 16th but it is probably a stretch.

Keep your head up though and don't stress about it. The wait is almost over!!:wink2:

[Aragog]

Despite perhaps not having too much impact in your game performance I really like the OC idea. When you read about this or that video card that is basically a higher clocked previous model you really wonder "well... if I feel a little frustrated when a slightly more powerful GPU than mine appears in the market, why shouldn't I really try to get it changing my clocks??" I don't know... I like the feeling that my pc is actually working to the best of its possibilities (just like me in my job right now :laugh:). Any strong principle against OC in notebooks?

[powerpack]

Heat, monitor it.

[Macedonia]

damn, this tread is moving fast ... had to read 60+ pages ...

[Fingersniffer]

Played some Battlefield: Bad Company 2 last night, and outside of me sucking on a laptop it ran smooth as butter. I ran everything on high and it didn't miss a beat.

[JollyRogers]

Played some Battlefield: Bad Company 2 last night, and outside of me sucking on a laptop it ran smooth as butter. I ran everything on high and it didn't miss a beat.

That is great news. I have been playing BC2 on my 3yr old HP and it is struggling on the lowest settings.

[Aragog]

Heat, monitor it.
But, I mean, unless you have forgotten all your years playing with low-mid end laptops and the wonderful warm feeling in your wrists, is heat really problematic? Core meltings apart...

[UntilMoraleImproves]

But, I mean, unless you have forgotten all your years playing with low-mid end laptops and the wonderful warm feeling in your wrists, is heat really problematic? Core meltings apart...

Well, let's consider the whole OC topic. When a MFG sets the clocks, they set them as high as they feel comfortable for the sake of system stability. That means that power draw is reasonable and that heat is minimal so that the GPU/CPU doesn't get fried. The MFG's are competing against each other so they're not going to underclock their products just for the hell of it. There is some rhyme and reason behind it.

That said, if you're going to OC your laptop, just be well informed. The G73 is built to cool and that should be a big safety net. A laptop cooler can also help. For the novices out there, I would suggest staying away from OC'ing until you are a bit more well versed.

[Aragog]

Fully respectable and right, but how can one become versed without experimenting:p? People there building that awesome ATLAS (:notworthy)at LHC and here troubling for some minor changes to voltage and clock rates...
The main thing for me at least is whether those constant 3-5ºC are going to make your laptop die sooner than expected

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Fully respectable and right, but how can one become versed without experimenting:p? People there building that awesome ATLAS (:notworthy)at LHC and here troubling for some minor changes to voltage and clock rates...
The main thing for me at least is whether those constant 3-5ºC are going to make your laptop die sooner than expected

LOL, I just wouldn't experiment with my G73 after waiting so long to get my hands on it! I can't say whether the added temps would shorten the life of the rig but I plan on limit my OC'ing to an occasional thing to minimize and impact it might have.

[singleshot71]

OCing is not needed to play games, only when you are running HUGE applications. The average user (me) will never need to OC this laptop. It has 8g of ram, I'm putting in a SSD, 1g of vram, why the hell would I ever take a chance on frying the cpu? Ever cook biscuits? 10-25 degrees makes all the difference in the world, no difference when it comes to highly unstable (for the most part) very costly computer equipment.

[Aragog]

I am very noob with the topic, but I think I have read posts and seen graphics of number of fps gained. And surely playing at 50 fps, 4-8fps are not going to be noticeble, but if your Crysis goes down to 17fps... I really think they can be worth some extra degrees as long as the system remains stable and the temps only causes a faster spinning fan...
if that is possible...

[UntilMoraleImproves]

OCing is not needed to play games, only when you are running HUGE applications. The average user (me) will never need to OC this laptop. It has 8g of ram, I'm putting in a SSD, 1g of vram, why the hell would I ever take a chance on frying the cpu? Ever cook biscuits? 10-25 degrees makes all the difference in the world, no difference when it comes to highly unstable (for the most part) very costly computer equipment.

Agreed.

Hey Finger, when you installed your SSD, did you move the paging file to the 500GB HDD? That was something that was recommended on the WIN7 forums and is actually supposed to increase performance. I'm wondering if doing so makes any difference in the benchmarks.

[Aragog]

If I am not very confused (what may be), the paging file shrinking due to lack of free space in the HDD was one of the main reasons behind our loved slower-than-freshed-installed windows. I don't know if the behaviour in win7 in different, but at least in each of them until XP, if you overcrowded your HDD the paging file had to be reduced and its size wasn't changed even if you released some space. If so, I believe it could be a nice idea to move it to the higher capacity disk, although you will loose obviously some speed when accesing it. I really hate that wonderful windows feature.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

If I am not very confused (what may be), the paging file shrinking due to lack of free space in the HDD was one of the main reasons behind our loved slower-than-freshed-installed windows. I don't know if the behaviour in win7 in different, but at least in each of them until XP, if you overcrowded your HDD the paging file had to be reduced and its size wasn't changed even if you released some space. If so, I believe it could be a nice idea to move it to the higher capacity disk, although you will loose obviously some speed when accesing it. I really hate that wonderful windows feature.

Well, that's not necessarily true. While the I/O speed is reduced, the paging file will end up on the outside of the HDD (assuming it is the first thing you put on the drive) which spins faster than any area closer to the center of the disc. With the larger capacity drive, you can create a larger paging file and you won't see much of a lag if done properly. (based on what I've read thus far)

[Kunari]

AWESOME :D:D:D:D:D I mean for PP and UMI, of course.:yes::laugh:

Now you can have your Dwarf on Gnome porn fix SS... I mean for PP and UMI. :wink2:

[Kunari]

Make good money working the glory hole. That's how UMI and I spend our time together.

:eeek2::wideeyed::wideeyed::eeek2: Ouch, my minds eye.... it hurts!

[Aragog]

Well, that's not necessarily true. While the I/O speed is reduced, the paging file will end up on the outside of the HDD (assuming it is the first thing you put on the drive) which spins faster than any area closer to the center of the disc. With the larger capacity drive, you can create a larger paging file and you won't see much of a lag if done properly. (based on what I've read thus far)
What you say about higher speed makes sense, but I am afraid we are getting to the wonderful world of compromises... . I have not been reading about SSD since the stock A2 is barely fitting my pocket, but I still suspect the access speed will still be faster... does anybody have some numbers for it?

[choyj]

LOL, I just wouldn't experiment with my G73 after waiting so long to get my hands on it! I can't say whether the added temps would shorten the life of the rig but I plan on limit my OC'ing to an occasional thing to minimize and impact it might have.

Or how about turning off the slow disk paging in its entirety? The worst that can happen is if you use an app that uses too much memory, you'll run out of memory. I plan to do that when I get mine. I'll turn it on to the second drive only if I need to turn it on... (i.e. maybe Photoshop)

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Oddly enough, choyj, I was just reading about that. It might be a better way to go since we're already getting 8GB of RAM. Assuming, of course, that Windows recognizes all 8 gigs since I've read a few posts about it not doing so.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Ok, I'm reversing myself yet again. While you can turn off the paging file, it isn't necessarily recommended. I'm just going to dedicate the first 12GB of the 500GB HDD to the paging file. Windows is supposed to use the physical RAM first so if for some odd reason I need more, I'd rather it just jump right in to the PF already established. I know it will never utilize 20GB but the rule of thumb is to have a PF that is 1.5xRAM.

[choyj]

Well, that's not necessarily true. While the I/O speed is reduced, the paging file will end up on the outside of the HDD (assuming it is the first thing you put on the drive) which spins faster than any area closer to the center of the disc. With the larger capacity drive, you can create a larger paging file and you won't see much of a lag if done properly. (based on what I've read thus far)

While bandwidth is the fastest on the outside of the track, you'll want to put your paging file directly at the center of the tracks as this is where the heads rest after spin up and you'll have the fastest access time (which is one of the biggest reasons why people move to SSD)

[Aragog]

Oddly enough, choyj, I was just reading about that. It might be a better way to go since we're already getting 8GB of RAM. Assuming, of course, that Windows recognizes all 8 gigs since I've read a few posts about it not doing so.
Where are you reading that? If it is a windows feature just to save some ram for apps from the times when having not so much it makes sense, but I suspect win uses it differently. If it works as linux and Prefetch caches first on ram (not sure) and when it is full begins to put data in the paging file, you could check your ram usage and if there's some not even cached then your paging file should be empty and only used in cases of extreme use of memory (e.g. your Photoshop or my hated Mathematica).
But I really think win doesn't use it as linux...
In any case, on the speeds before, in a review they say that " OCZ's drive (SSD) had a random access time of .2 milliseconds; Seagate's 16.9 milliseconds","the OCZ had a read time of 244MB/sec and a write time of 172MB/sec. The Seagate HDD had an average read rate of 98MB/sec and a write time of 87MB/sec."

If we read the faster disk border thing from the same place, the 50% of 98 is like 50, so almost 100/MB/sec faster the SDD page file than the 500Gb HDD one.

(any idea on how to insert the web links without your message being moderated???)

[choyj]

Ok, I'm reversing myself yet again. While you can turn off the paging file, it isn't necessarily recommended. I'm just going to dedicate the first 12GB of the 500GB HDD to the paging file. Windows is supposed to use the physical RAM first so if for some odd reason I need more, I'd rather it just jump right in to the PF already established. I know it will never utilize 20GB but the rule of thumb is to have a PF that is 1.5xRAM.

Heh... that's the best reason for a swap file. If it needs to, it will use it. But there are a few things I'm unclear about given that they keep changing virtual memory implementations for every new OS they release.


What happens if you run out of memory? Will it just blue screen with OutOfMemory? Give you a warning?
Are page swaps to disk asynchronous?
Does Windows 7 write dirty pages to swap because it's not recently used? And if writes are synchronous, that would suck.

I don't know all the answers and would have to research that, but I'm not gonna waste my time.

8GB of memory is plenty. Most games are 32-bit. Even today's games.. Modern Warfare 2, Bad Company 2 are 32-bit. And 32-bit only allows access up to 4GB. If you decide you want to play both MW2 and BC2 at the same time is when you start looking at memory (can you do that? :wink2:)... Or using a heavy memory-using 64-bit app like Photoshop. If a game ever has to swap to disk, you're screwed.

[choyj]

If we read the faster disk border thing from the same place, the 50% of 98 is like 50, so almost 100/MB/sec faster the SDD page file than the 500Gb HDD one.


Ah-ha! We can solve the swap problem by buying a second SSD drive and having it page to that!:biggrin:

[Aragog]

Ah-ha! We can solve the swap problem by buying a second SSD drive and having it page to that!:biggrin:
If I could, I'd buy a third SSD just for the 3D porn benchmark video someone commented a while ago!!

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Where are you reading that? If it is a windows feature just to save some ram for apps from the times when having not so much it makes sense, but I suspect win uses it differently. If it works as linux and Prefetch caches first on ram (not sure) and when it is full begins to put data in the paging file, you could check your ram usage and if there's some not even cached then your paging file should be empty and only used in cases of extreme use of memory (e.g. your Photoshop or my hated Mathematica).
But I really think win doesn't use it as linux...
In any case, on the speeds before, in a review they say that " OCZ's drive (SSD) had a random access time of .2 milliseconds; Seagate's 16.9 milliseconds","the OCZ had a read time of 244MB/sec and a write time of 172MB/sec. The Seagate HDD had an average read rate of 98MB/sec and a write time of 87MB/sec."

If we read the faster disk border thing from the same place, the 50% of 98 is like 50, so almost 100/MB/sec faster the SDD page file than the 500Gb HDD one.

(any idea on how to insert the web links without your message being moderated???)

To get a weblink through, just highlight a word and click on the picture of the earth with the chain-link on it. Then, insert the link. Like this (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/2599-63-page-file-indexing). No moderation.

BTW, that link is to a discussion on Tom's Hardware. Read through the responses and you'll see some of what we've discussed.

I don't think it will hurt to put a large PF on the HDD. As for WIN7 not recognizing all 8 gigs, it seems to be a problem that some G73 owners are reporting (search NBR's forums). Generally it can be fixed by removing and re-seating the RAM. Also, one person had the 32-bit version so of course, WIN7 wouldn't be able to use all 8GB.

I'd have to do more research to see if it really makes sense to do what I'm thinking but I just don't have the time right now. When I do, I'll post it up.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Ah-ha! We can solve the swap problem by buying a second SSD drive and having it page to that!:biggrin:
LOL! Not until SSD prices go way down and storage goes way up!

[kiwi_pig]

asus g73 vip reservation list(update)

jan 2010
1)Boglesnurf: 1/1/10 PHASE 4 (A1)
2)Spesszer: 1/9/10 - PHASE 4
3)algee99: 1/15/10 (phase 4) new
4)bid5052: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
5)haunterzerox: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
6)CoOkIe_MoNsTeR: 1/18/10 - HAS ONE FROM ANOTHER RESELLER, WAITING ONe RIG FROM XOTIC
7)icemonkey9: 1/19/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
8)RozZy: 1/19/10 - SHIPPED!
9)Sigil82: 1/20/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
10)jamiemacca: 1/22/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
11)Nokarma: 1/23/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
12)nadkins: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
13)Destal: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
14)rastamandom: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
15)Nukie: end of January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
16)popwar: some time in January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
17)Predator Hunter: 1/31/10(phase 4 or cancel)

feb 2010
18)Christoff: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
19)Millianz: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
20)fingersniffer-2/1/10 (phase 4)new-active user .proud owner of asus g73 since3/30/10
21)honkhonkhonk: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
22)sshen: 2/2/10(phase 4 or cancel)
23)gdw-2/2/10 (phase 2)(phase 4 or cancel)
24)UntilMoraleImproves: 2/3/10(phase 4) new-active user
25)singleshot71: 2/3/10 (Phase 4 )new -active user
26)Halaster: 2/4/10(phase 4)new
27)mr.E doc-2/4/10 (phase 4) new
28)Braeyn: 2/5/10 (phase 4)-active user
29)Culnaur: 2/6/10 (phase 4) new
30)desipalen-2/6/10 (phase 4)new
31)Dueter: 2/7/10
32)drremi: 2/8/10( waiting for the confirmation on phase 2) new-active user
33)Bgeorgiev.Boris: 2/8/10
34)Anemos: 2/8/10
35)Mekhit: 2/9/10 (order cancel) active user
36)Macedon: 2/9/10
37)Rick: 2/10/10
38)Dusk: 2/10/10
39)AmarilloMike: 2/12/10
40)palmgopher: 2/12/10
41)PMuse: 2/13/10 (possibly bumped down to 2/17)
42)TenetSW: 2/18/10
43)ludain: 2/18/10
44)DRevan: 2/18/10
45)cntzero-2/18/10 (phase 1) new
46)Rannd: 2/19/10
47)mrpete: 2/19/10
48)mertesn: 2/19/10
49)ZorrosRage: 2/21/10
50)Verbal: 2/21/10
51)retron09: 2/22/10-active user
52)fangloveyan: 2/22/10
53)mavvrick: 2/23/10
54)tony_1017: 2/23/10
55)buddasahn: 2/23/10
56)FupDuck: 2/24/10
57)spatufsa-2/24/10
58)dylan121: 2/26/10
59)romerom: 2/26/10 -active user
60)Alikazam: 2/26/10
61)BizzleFizzle: 2/27/10
62)jayyy: either 2/28/10 or 3/2/10 depending on the calendar he used
63)ssbm-2/28/10

march2010
64)JMW_WPM: 3/1/10
65)Nemax: 3/2/10
66)Cheesyc: 3/2/10
67)DadOudidOuda: 3/3/10
68)Grimreaper: 3/3/10
69)MrScience2008: 3/4/10
70)macedonia-A1 on March 4
71)Fr0st: 3/5/10-active user
72)xyz: 3/5/10
73)Tonylo: 3/6/10
74)WaHaHa: 3/6/10
75)smiley84: 3/7/10
76)aragog-3/8/2010-active user
77)Goetterdaemmerung: 3/9/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
78)sage99-3/10/10
79)kingtz: SWITCHED TO SAGER
80)TheCrazyCanuck: 3/5/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
81)tuckerjt07: ?
82)sixtysix: ?
83)cain: ?
84)plan99fromouterspace: ?
85)desipalen: ?
86)dominator246: ?
87)kiwi_pig- 17/3/2010 (178XX) phase 1-active user
88)kunari-18/3/2010 ?? 17909 (phase 1)-active user
89)Striker1010: 3/22/10 (phase 1)-active user
90)gadzooks64-3/23/10 (180xx)(phase 1)
91)teitan-3/24/10 (phase 1)(180XX)
92)rake-3/24/10 (phase 1) new


APR
93)raphy-1apr... due to the late wire transfer you will most probably be on apr, good luck mate :)
94)powerpack- status unknown



green-phase 4/shipped/cencel
brown-active user
teal -SWITCHED
purple-date
red-number


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new updatehttp://www.kmod.tv/storage/XoticPCG73OwnersCLubv2extended.png


5 more days to the 5th of apr


cant wait till then, thanks joseph for the information


kiwi_pig

[kiwi_pig]

Just ran the Unigine Heaven DX11 benchmark, 17.7 Average FPS, Min 10.5 FPS, Max 43.9 FPS Default Test Settings. Score was 447

CPU didn't go above 54c, and I don't have a temp monitor yet that works for the 5870 (need to look for one)

The air coming out of the back during the test was pretty warm but not to a point where my hand felt like it was going to burn. Right side gets slightly hotter than the left, but overall seems to be a pretty equal in heat removal.

Not sure if it really matters to anyone but my laptop shuts down in 3 seconds lol

Still need to install the new Cat 10.3 drivers too, will re-run the test afterwards.



on the right is the cpu i7 and on the left is the gpu.... avg 17fps is low... wonder how long this gpu could last

[kiwi_pig]

WoW at max settings and HD porn will be no problem with this laptop!



lol indeed some machine you got there :) hahaha, cant wait to get it

[striker1010]

I hope with the new shipments that Asus is pushing out they have fixed the hardware issues and software conflicts there were occuring with the models in previous shipments.

[kiwi_pig]

Did my first round of bench tests tonight, figured I'd share them.


what resolution are you running on when you are doing the 3d benchmark 06 ???.did you turn on the AA to 4x ?

what is the avg fps on the o6 benchmark

[kiwi_pig]

I hope with the new shipments that Asus is pushing out they have fixed the hardware issues and software conflicts there were occuring with the models in previous shipments.


hardware as in the touchpad ??

[Fingersniffer]

Lots of questions, I'll try and answer them all

OC'ing a laptop: It never a good idea, anymore newer laptops have BIOS options locked out so you cannot OC it through the BIOS. There are some software that can bypass some of this but overall they can be problematic and unstable, not worth the effort involved

OC'ing a GPU: most cards with newer drivers and software package suites offer limited ability to OC the GPU and adjust fan settings, I would NOT suggest anyone that does not fully understand what they are doing to mess with these settings as you can very easily burn up your GPU.

@UMI
The SSD drives do not require the page file to be moved to a secondary hard drive like in the past. the reason for this in the past was the hard drives were mechanical meaning the armature inside the drive would often be fought over by different applications and since it cannot be at two places at once would cause delay in the request for information from the hard drive. SSD drives are not mechanical so information requests can be handled much faster as nothing needs to spin up or move around to get the information off of the drive.

@Kiwi
The bench tests were done at default settings but I did the full battery of tests offered by both programs (must have registered copies of the programs to access all the tests)

The only issue I've run into so far is the default installed theme by ASUS pretty much takes over. This "might" be my own fault for uninstalling something that might have controlled it but I honestly don't believe so. Basically I changed the desktop picture to a preferred picture and changed the default sounds to something else, saved the theme and thought all was well. Well when I would restart my computer the ASUS default theme would take back over, my temporary fix for this was to locate the background image that was being used (which was a pain in the ass to locate) and move it to a new folder, that seems to have stopped/fixed it for now. In case you was wondering the picture is in the c:\Windows\ASUS\wallpaper folder named "ASUS.jpg".
So while this is a problem, its nothing I would consider serious.

Another thing I found that is mildly annoying is that Xotic did not preserve my "Recovery Partition" on my SSD. Talked to Joe he said it should be on the main drive @ about 14g in size... only 1 partition on the drive and that's the OS drive. Now I don't really care that much but again being told one thing and it being a different thing its annoying. Those that have stock hard drive configurations shouldn't have any concern for this. Just sucks because I opted not to make the AI Recovery DVD's and I felt it would be a waste of time, now I wish I had because I don't have the recovery partition. Its not a big deal I'll just do a clean install next time and probably be happier for it.

[kiwi_pig]

I hope with the new shipments that Asus is pushing out they have fixed the hardware issues and software conflicts there were occuring with the models in previous shipments.



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[UntilMoraleImproves]

Lots of questions, I'll try and answer them all
@UMI
The SSD drives do not require the page file to be moved to a secondary hard drive like in the past. the reason for this in the past was the hard drives were mechanical meaning the armature inside the drive would often be fought over by different applications and since it cannot be at two places at once would cause delay in the request for information from the hard drive. SSD drives are not mechanical so information requests can be handled much faster as nothing needs to spin up or move around to get the information off of the drive.

Umm, ok, but that's not why you move the PF. The reason for moving the PF is to minimize read/write operations on the SSD. Writes shorten the life span of the SSD and if you're like me and have an 80GB SSD, of which 20GB will be OS alone, you're going to end up with less space to write to, decreasing the life span of the SSD even further. By moving the PF to the HDD, you are hedging your bet and move those writes off the SSD. I don't want to dedicate 12GB of my SSD to a PF when I have a 500GB HDD that can handle it. Besides, in an 8GB X64 system, the PF is going to be of minimal importance (or so they say).

[Fingersniffer]

But, I mean, unless you have forgotten all your years playing with low-mid end laptops and the wonderful warm feeling in your wrists, is heat really problematic? Core meltings apart...

First, if your going to "experiment" with OCing, you don't do it on a brand new $2000 rig you do it with an old junker as you can turn you computer into a paperweight if you do it wrong. People that do OC their computers generally have a high technical background and know what they are doing, to OC properly you have to have a high understanding on how a computer functions and do your research on your specific products to know their min/max voltages, timings, temps etc.

Heat is the NUMBER ONE reason for computer hardware failure, it is the enemy of technology, the hotter something gets the shorter it's lifespan is/can be. Keeping you system cool should always be your top priority as its the cause for most hardware issues, poor airflow (which is pretty typical for laptops anyway, even well designed ones like the G73) cause heat to gather and get worse, the hotter something is, the faster it gathers more heat to a point of failure.

My general rule of thumb is, if its over 50c something needs to be better cooled, cleaned out, thermal paste changed/reapplied, or better fans installed. Now with laptops there is not a lot of this you can do easily, if heat in a laptop becomes an issue and you do not want to void your warranty or destroy your laptop take it to an authorized repair facility and have them clean it out and/or do some modifications like changing the thermal paste as that can have a significant impact on CPU/GPU temps.

[kiwi_pig]

Lots of questions, I'll try and answer them all

Another thing I found that is mildly annoying is that Xotic did not preserve my "Recovery Partition" on my SSD. Talked to Joe he said it should be on the main drive @ about 14g in size... only 1 partition on the drive and that's the OS drive. Now I don't really care that much but again being told one thing and it being a different thing its annoying. Those that have stock hard drive configurations shouldn't have any concern for this. Just sucks because I opted not to make the AI Recovery DVD's and I felt it would be a waste of time, now I wish I had because I don't have the recovery partition. Its not a big deal I'll just do a clean install next time and probably be happier for it.


when you open my comp how many partition there is in it ?? 2 right

when you change your HDD to SDD is your hidden recovery gone ??

[kiwi_pig]

asus g73 vip reservation list(update)

jan 2010
1)Boglesnurf: 1/1/10 PHASE 4 (A1)
2)Spesszer: 1/9/10 - PHASE 4
3)algee99: 1/15/10 (phase 4) new
4)bid5052: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
5)haunterzerox: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
6)CoOkIe_MoNsTeR: 1/18/10 - HAS ONE FROM ANOTHER RESELLER, WAITING ONe RIG FROM XOTIC
7)icemonkey9: 1/19/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
8)RozZy: 1/19/10 - SHIPPED!
9)Sigil82: 1/20/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
10)jamiemacca: 1/22/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
11)Nokarma: 1/23/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
12)nadkins: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
13)Destal: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
14)rastamandom: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
15)Nukie: end of January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
16)popwar: some time in January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
17)Predator Hunter: 1/31/10(phase 4 or cancel)

feb 2010
18)Christoff: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
19)Millianz: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
20)fingersniffer-2/1/10 (phase 4)new.proud owner of asus g73 since (3/30/10) waited for(58days)
21)honkhonkhonk: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
22)sshen: 2/2/10(phase 4 or cancel)
23)gdw-2/2/10 (phase 2)(phase 4 or cancel)
24)UntilMoraleImproves: 2/3/10(phase 4) new-active user
25)singleshot71: 2/3/10 (Phase 4 )new -active user
26)Halaster: 2/4/10(phase 4)new
27)mr.E doc-2/4/10 (phase 4) new
28)Braeyn: 2/5/10 (phase 4)-active user
29)Culnaur: 2/6/10 (phase 4) new
30)desipalen-2/6/10 (phase 4)new
31)Dueter: 2/7/10
32)drremi: 2/8/10( waiting for the confirmation on phase 2) new-active user
33)Bgeorgiev.Boris: 2/8/10
34)Anemos: 2/8/10 (phase 2) new
35)Mekhit: 2/9/10 (order cancel) active user
36)Macedon: 2/9/10
37)Rick: 2/10/10
38)Dusk: 2/10/10
39)AmarilloMike: 2/12/10
40)palmgopher: 2/12/10
41)PMuse: 2/13/10 (possibly bumped down to 2/17)
42)TenetSW: 2/18/10
43)ludain: 2/18/10
44)DRevan: 2/18/10
45)cntzero-2/18/10 (phase 1) new
46)Rannd: 2/19/10
47)mrpete: 2/19/10
48)mertesn: 2/19/10
49)ZorrosRage: 2/21/10
50)Verbal: 2/21/10
51)retron09: 2/22/10-active user
52)fangloveyan: 2/22/10
53)mavvrick: 2/23/10
54)tony_1017: 2/23/10
55)buddasahn: 2/23/10
56)FupDuck: 2/24/10
57)spatufsa-2/24/10
58)dylan121: 2/26/10
59)romerom: 2/26/10 -active user
60)Alikazam: 2/26/10
61)BizzleFizzle: 2/27/10
62)jayyy: either 2/28/10 or 3/2/10 depending on the calendar he used
63)ssbm-2/28/10

march2010
64)JMW_WPM: 3/1/10
65)Nemax: 3/2/10
66)Cheesyc: 3/2/10
67)DadOudidOuda: 3/3/10
68)Grimreaper: 3/3/10
69)MrScience2008: 3/4/10
70)macedonia-A1 on March 4
71)Fr0st: 3/5/10-active user
72)xyz: 3/5/10
73)Tonylo: 3/6/10
74)WaHaHa: 3/6/10
75)smiley84: 3/7/10
76)aragog-3/8/2010-active user
77)Goetterdaemmerung: 3/9/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
78)sage99-3/10/10
79)kingtz: SWITCHED TO SAGER
80)TheCrazyCanuck: 3/5/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
81)tuckerjt07: ?
82)sixtysix: ?
83)cain: ?
84)plan99fromouterspace: ?
85)desipalen: ?
86)dominator246: ?
87)kiwi_pig- 17/3/2010 (178XX) phase 1-active user
88)kunari-18/3/2010 ?? 17909 (phase 1)-active user
89)Striker1010: 3/22/10 (phase 1)-active user
90)gadzooks64-3/23/10 (180xx)(phase 1)
91)teitan-3/24/10 (phase 1)(180XX)
92)rake-3/24/10 (phase 1) new


APR
93)raphy-1apr... due to the late wire transfer you will most probably be on apr, good luck mate :)
94)powerpack- status unknown



green-phase 4/shipped/cencel
brown-active user
teal -SWITCHED
purple-date
red-number


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new updatehttp://www.kmod.tv/storage/XoticPCG73OwnersCLubv2extended.png


5 more days to the 5th of apr


cant wait till then, thanks joseph for the information


kiwi_pig

[Fingersniffer]

Umm, ok, but that's not why you move the PF. The reason for moving the PF is to minimize read/write operations on the SSD. Writes shorten the life span of the SSD and if you're like me and have an 80GB SSD, of which 20GB will be OS alone, you're going to end up with less space to write to, decreasing the life span of the SSD even further. By moving the PF to the HDD, you are hedging your bet and move those writes off the SSD. I don't want to dedicate 12GB of my SSD to a PF when I have a 500GB HDD that can handle it. Besides, in an 8GB X64 system, the PF is going to be of minimal importance (or so they say).

I'll be honest, much of the long term SSD lifespan and reliability reviews are still speculation as the drives simply haven't been around long enough to know for sure. From what I've read about SSD's most of the hardware firmware updates, Windows updates supporting SSD's etc have helped to minimize the potential for burnout areas on the SSD drives. In mechanical drives you always wanted to move the PF to a second drive for the reasons I listed as well as a mechanical hard drive tends to use the center sectors of a hard drive first and most often, which is where your OS files are located and PF increased the potential for those sectors to be corrupted sooner than the outer parts of the platter. I understand what your saying and I can see the point you made, but I think overall its really 6 of 1 half dozen of another for this topic. I might move the PF to the secondary drive just as a precaution but really I'm not overly concerned with it.

[kiwi_pig]

http://www.laptopscreen.com/img/screens/1_big/new_17,3_WideScreen_15,5x8,98.jpg

never really own a 17.3 inch laptop, wonder how big it is 0_o

[Fingersniffer]

when you open my comp how many partition there is in it ?? 2 right

when you change your HDD to SDD is your hidden recovery gone ??

Just to avoid any confusion, I did not personally change out my Hard drive to an SSD drive, Xotic did that.

I have 2 hard drives: 160g SSD and 500g 7200 RPM

Both drives have only 1 partition each

[kiwi_pig]

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3321/f2213m.jpg

where does this laptop suck up the air from ?, i cant see any air vent in the front of this laptop

the only air vent i ever seen on this laptop is at the bottom of it,,might need to get a external cooling system

[kiwi_pig]

Just to avoid any confusion, I did not personally change out my Hard drive to an SSD drive, Xotic did that.

I have 2 hard drives: 160g SSD and 500g 7200 RPM

Both drives have only 1 partition each

any idea where the hidden recovery is ?? on the SSD or the HHD

[Fingersniffer]

any idea where the hidden recovery is ?? on the SSD or the HHD
It "should" be on the primary hard drive, or in my case it should be on the SSD drive. But it is not.

[Fingersniffer]

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3321/f2213m.jpg

where does this laptop suck up the air from ?, i cant see any air vent in the front of this laptop

the only air vent i ever seen on this laptop is at the bottom of it,,might need to get a external cooling system

The only vents for air intake are on the bottom, the image you posted is not an accurate representation of how airflow in this laptop works.

[Anemos]

where does this laptop suck up the air from ?, i cant see any air vent in the front of this laptop

the only air vent i ever seen on this laptop is at the bottom of it,,might need to get a external cooling system

I believe it sucks up air from the keyboard area.

I don't remember where I heard that from. I think from a video review.

[Fingersniffer]

I believe it sucks up air from the keyboard area.

I don't remember where I heard that from. I think from a video review.

It does not, the keyboard chiclet style would not allow any form of proper airflow through the keyboard

[Kunari]

Another thing I found that is mildly annoying is that Xotic did not preserve my "Recovery Partition" on my SSD. Talked to Joe he said it should be on the main drive @ about 14g in size... only 1 partition on the drive and that's the OS drive.

I'd think Xotic will make it right with you. I'm going to make a set as soon as it arrives, if I can burn a second set I'll let you know. You'll at least have the media then.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

It does not, the keyboard chiclet style would not allow any form of proper airflow through the keyboatd

Finger is correct. The image displayed was one that ASUS used in their presentation at CES 2010 but isn't an accurate depiction of how the air really flows through the machine. The laptop has been broken down by people on NBR and other sites and there is no air intake under the keyboard.

[Anemos]

It does not, the keyboard chiclet style would not allow any form of proper airflow through the keyboatd

Good point.

Then I too, would like to know where it sucks in air from.





@kiwi_pig: My order was changed to an A2 and I am now in Phase 2.

[Fingersniffer]

Did some looking around, looks like I cannot change my PF location as it only seems to list my C drive and not list my secondary drive. I look into it more later.

[Kunari]

where does this laptop suck up the air from ?, i cant see any air vent in the front of this laptop

Yup, there is a vent on the bottom. (edited out mistake)

I would recommend a laptop cooler. I purchased a Zalman NC2000 cooler for my baby. It's so much better than the POS one I had before. I'm using it now with my current laptop and it's doing a great job of keeping the system cool.

Worth every penny! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834998686

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Did some looking around, looks like I cannot change my PF location as it only seems to list my C drive and not list my secondary drive. I look into it more later.

It should recognize your other drive. That is odd that it isn't showing up. Here's the instructions from MS:

Moving the Paging File



In Control Panel, double-click System.
Click the Advanced tab.
Click Settings under Performance.
Click the Advanced tab, and then click Change under Virtual Memory.
Select the new drive that you want to use to store the paging file.
Set Initial Size (MB) and Maximum size. For the initial size, Microsoft recommends that you use the recommended value in the Total Page File Size for All Drives box.
Click Set, and then click OK twice.
Click Restart Now.

Note that if you move the paging file from the system partition, Windows cannot write debug information to the disk if a Stop error occurs.

[kiwi_pig]

asus g73 vip reservation list(update)

jan 2010
1)Boglesnurf: 1/1/10 PHASE 4 (A1)
2)Spesszer: 1/9/10 - PHASE 4
3)algee99: 1/15/10 (phase 4) new
4)bid5052: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
5)haunterzerox: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
6)CoOkIe_MoNsTeR: 1/18/10 - HAS ONE FROM ANOTHER RESELLER, WAITING ONe RIG FROM XOTIC
7)icemonkey9: 1/19/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
8)RozZy: 1/19/10 - SHIPPED!
9)Sigil82: 1/20/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
10)jamiemacca: 1/22/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
11)Nokarma: 1/23/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
12)nadkins: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
13)Destal: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
14)rastamandom: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
15)Nukie: end of January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
16)popwar: some time in January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
17)Predator Hunter: 1/31/10(phase 4 or cancel)

feb 2010
18)Christoff: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
19)Millianz: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
20)fingersniffer-2/1/10 (phase 4)new.proud owner of asus g73 since (3/30/10) waited for(58days)
21)honkhonkhonk: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
22)sshen: 2/2/10(phase 4 or cancel)
23)gdw-2/2/10 (phase 2)(phase 4 or cancel)
24)UntilMoraleImproves: 2/3/10(phase 4) new-active user
25)singleshot71: 2/3/10 (Phase 4 )new -active user
26)Halaster: 2/4/10(phase 4)new
27)mr.E doc-2/4/10 (phase 4) new
28)Braeyn: 2/5/10 (phase 4)-active user
29)Culnaur: 2/6/10 (phase 4) new
30)desipalen-2/6/10 (phase 4)new
31)Dueter: 2/7/10
32)drremi: 2/8/10( waiting for the confirmation on phase 2) new-active user
33)Bgeorgiev.Boris: 2/8/10
34)Anemos: 2/8/10 (phase 2) new
35)Mekhit: 2/9/10 (order cancel) active user
36)Macedon: 2/9/10
37)Rick: 2/10/10
38)Dusk: 2/10/10
39)AmarilloMike: 2/12/10
40)palmgopher: 2/12/10
41)PMuse: 2/13/10 (possibly bumped down to 2/17)
42)TenetSW: 2/18/10
43)ludain: 2/18/10
44)DRevan: 2/18/10
45)cntzero-2/18/10 (phase 1) new
46)Rannd: 2/19/10
47)mrpete: 2/19/10
48)mertesn: 2/19/10
49)ZorrosRage: 2/21/10
50)Verbal: 2/21/10
51)retron09: 2/22/10-active user
52)fangloveyan: 2/22/10
53)mavvrick: 2/23/10
54)tony_1017: 2/23/10
55)buddasahn: 2/23/10
56)FupDuck: 2/24/10
57)spatufsa-2/24/10
58)dylan121: 2/26/10
59)romerom: 2/26/10 -active user
60)Alikazam: 2/26/10
61)BizzleFizzle: 2/27/10
62)jayyy: either 2/28/10 or 3/2/10 depending on the calendar he used
63)ssbm-2/28/10

march2010
64)JMW_WPM: 3/1/10
65)Nemax: 3/2/10
66)Cheesyc: 3/2/10
67)DadOudidOuda: 3/3/10
68)Grimreaper: 3/3/10
69)MrScience2008: 3/4/10
70)macedonia-A1 on March 4
71)Fr0st: 3/5/10-active user
72)xyz: 3/5/10
73)Tonylo: 3/6/10
74)WaHaHa: 3/6/10
75)smiley84: 3/7/10
76)aragog-3/8/2010-active user
77)Goetterdaemmerung: 3/9/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
78)sage99-3/10/10
79)kingtz: SWITCHED TO SAGER
80)TheCrazyCanuck: 3/5/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
81)tuckerjt07: ?
82)sixtysix: ?
83)cain: ?
84)plan99fromouterspace: ?
85)desipalen: ?
86)dominator246: ?
87)kiwi_pig- 17/3/2010 (178XX) phase 1-active user
88)kunari-18/3/2010 ?? 17909 (phase 1)-active user
89)Striker1010: 3/22/10 (phase 1)-active user
90)gadzooks64-3/23/10 (180xx)(phase 1)
91)teitan-3/24/10 (phase 1)(180XX)
92)rake-3/24/10 (phase 1) new


APR
93)raphy-1apr... due to the late wire transfer you will most probably be on apr, good luck mate :)
94)powerpack- status unknown



green-phase 4/shipped/cencel
brown-active user
teal -SWITCHED
purple-date
red-number


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5 more days to the 5th of apr


cant wait till then, thanks joseph for the information


kiwi_pig

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Yup, there is a vent on the bottom and I think it'll pull air it from the keyboard area too.

I would recommend a laptop cooler. I purchased a Zalman NC2000 cooler for my baby. It's so much better than the POS one I had before. I'm using it now with my current laptop and it's doing a great job of keeping the system cool.


I went with this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JM1RLS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER).
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FhFatby2L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B002JM1RLS/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics

[Kunari]

I went with this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JM1RLS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER). [snip]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B002JM1RLS/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics

Nice UMI! That's the Termaltake, right?

I almost got the Termaltake one myself, but the Zalman showed up in my Amazon "Gold Box" with a "free" USB hub for a total of 50% off so I jumped on it.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Nice UMI! That's the Termaltake, right?

I almost got the Termaltake one myself, but the Zalman showed up in my Amazon "Gold Box" with a "free" USB hub for a total of 50% off so I jumped on it.

Yep, click on the word 'one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JM1RLS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)' and it will take you to the page.
Thermaltake CLN0009 Massive23 ST 23cm Notebook Cooler (Black )

[Kunari]

Yep, click on the word 'one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JM1RLS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)' and it will take you to the page.

:geek: DOH... having a blond moment. :laugh:

You'll have to give us a review.

[mavrrick]

Just going to do a little catch up.

First I stopped by BB becuase I couldn't wait to see what I am getting. Let me just say all these pics just don't do the machine justice. It is so nice when you get one in front of you. I was ver impressed and now the wait till the next shipment is just going to drive me batty. I was very impressed with the overall machine and how solid it is built.

Overclocking in a desktop is a semi dangerous thing unless you have a really well built machine, much less a laptop. Heat is our enemy, lets not build up any more in these guys then we have to.

Now with that being said, my brother use to work for AMD a few years back. He explained to me how they determine the actual clock speed of a chip. It is actually all based on graph that relates to heat generated at a given test clock speed to life. Once the graph is established they can tell that a chip running at a given temp at said speed will therefore run for certain time at it's now determined clock speed based on the graph. So basically if you run it hotter you are just taking time off that graph and will make it's life shorter. The more heat the quickier it dies, and that isn't a linear thing.

My plan when I get the laptop is to just turn off the pagefile altogether. I have been running my desktop with 8 gigs of ram and have had no swap file for a very long time. I have never experience any slowdowns or memory issues with it. The general rule of 1.5xRAM=Swap space is old and really doesn't exactly hold up anymore. Especially with the rapid increase of memory in systems and how cheap it is now to have it. I use to preach that calculation to people myself, but anymore the amount of ram we have that goes unused is just so much of a waste. Basically as long as you have 8 gigs or more(really it is just anything above 6) you can run completely without swap space, and what is a faster then ram.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

My plan when I get the laptop is to just turn off the pagefile altogether. I have been running my desktop with 8 gigs of ram and have had no swap file for a very long time. I have never experience any slowdowns or memory issues with it. The general rule of 1.5xRAM=Swap space is old and really doesn't exactly hold up anymore. Especially with the rapid increase of memory in systems and how cheap it is now to have it. I use to preach that calculation to people myself, but anymore the amount of ram we have that goes unused is just so much of a waste. Basically as long as you have 8 gigs or more(really it is just anything above 6) you can run completely without swap space, and what is a faster then ram.

Correct me if I'm wrong...there's no harm in creating a 12GB PF on the secondary HDD...right?

[drremi]

Correct me if I'm wrong...there's no harm in creating a 12GB PF on the secondary HDD...right?

I have to agree with Mav, swap file is not needed! the old way was 1.5x your ram!(XP).
12gb swap on the second drive is not a problem, but a wast of hdd space!


Hey, just got an email from xoticpc.....working on Phase 2.

Decided to go with A2-added bd reader, drop the skin! I am so tickled! :D:D:D:D

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Hey, just got an email from xoticpc.....working on Phase 2.

Decided to go with A2-added bd reader, drop the skin! I am so tickled! :D:D:D:D

Congrats Drremi!!

[singleshot71]

You guys are really starting to make my head hurt!!!! I am self taught when it comes to computers....but WTF are you guys talking about?! I don't even know how to look at the BIO setting much less change them, and PF don't even get me started!!! This is my 4th laptop (g73) the others have worked great, well, til I drop them on their head to many times!! I have never had any problem a good ole reinstall couldn't fix. Or HDD replacement. Can we just start playing games already, I mean when we get them in and leave the programming to ASUS/M$?

[mavrrick]

Congrats Drremi

Correct me if I'm wrong...there's no harm in creating a 12GB PF on the secondary HDD...right?

I don't think there is any harm in it, but why. The slowest part of the machine is the hard drive. If you have plenty of ram why not force the machine to use that instead of the slowest device in the computer. The concept behind swap space is great, but i would prefer to force my machine to keep all it's data in the fastest place possible. We have to remember that the concept of swap space for pc's starts with Windows 95.(I don't think 3.1 had it, but i might be off there, i know doss didn't.) Back then memory was very much still a premium. I remember spending almost 700 just for a double height 64mb stick of 66mhz DDR SDRAM. For a long time the hardware hadn't really caught up or passed the OS/Software. The cost of memory and various parts was just to far out there. But now we can almost max out memory and various parts in short order for not much of an investment. I am sure the situation may change if M$ releases windows 8 and it all of a sudden needs atleast 4 gigs to boot and is only 64bit. But for now with 32bit being the defacto standard and what everyone is using we can certainly run without a swap with 8 gigs of ram.

[drremi]

Congrats Drremi!!

Thank you...now I can get back to finishing the kitchen. Won't have time when the laptop get here! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Singleshot, it's OK not to know! Most of us started that way!
I did alot of reading when I started, and never stopped!
It works well with ADHD people, keeps them busy! :laugh:

[WeeNar]

Well I can say that Xoticpc stands and delivers! She's quiet, smooth and quick! She rocks right out of the box. I fired it up and here I am! The keyboard is something to behold very nice and responsive. The touchpad buttons are are as reported very stiff but I dont use it so I don't care. This machine does not disapoint. :notworthy

I will be CD4 and Crysis primarily so this is a pure escape box from my work.

I can hear the fan if I lay my ear on the keyboard. Well I have much to do on this puppy but I wanted just to share that its worth the wait in my case pre-order 2/5

Best luck all and thanx X-team!

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Mavrrick - good advice. I guess I'll start off w/o the PF and see how it goes. First order of business, once the SSD is up and running, is going to be to make sure all 8GB is recognized and then on to the mods.

Single - ignore us, LOL, we're just a bunch of technobabble junkies. If we figure out a tweak that speeds things up, I'm sure we'll post the details.

[Apexed]

Anyone have sample images or experience with the a1/a2 2.0mp webcam? The best buy 1.3 mp is definitely losing out to my MBP iSight in the quality department...

[Kunari]

You guys are really starting to make my head hurt!!!! I am self taught when it comes to computers.... Can we just start playing games already, I mean when we get them in and leave the programming to ASUS/M$?

Don't mind us geek speak. :wink2: You don't *need* to change pagefile, HDDs, or even remove the bloatware before enjoying your G73 if you don't want to.

I'd recommend you make the restore disks and remove the unneeded bloatware from the computer if you feel comfortable doing so. I'm hearing good things about the new ATI drivers, 10.3 Catalyst, in that they also improve performance. If the G73 doesn't come stock it's a good idea to download the.

[striker1010]

I aggree with Mav..I mean we have 8 gigs on ram on this rig so turning off PF would be the best course of action since you don't really need it in the first place.

P.s. the 1.5ram equation does that work up until the XP os?

Until, If you get a chance do run a test turning it off/on and see how it works out. Would be great if you post the results here xD

[drremi]

Mavrrick - good advice. I guess I'll start off w/o the PF and see how it goes. First order of business, once the SSD is up and running, is going to be to make sure all 8GB is recognized and then on to the mods.

Single - ignore us, LOL, we're just a bunch of technobabble junkies. If we figure out a tweak that speeds things up, I'm sure we'll post the details.

Mavrrick, has a good point. I am old school and things are changing again, and the idea with virtual memory was great for Win98, and WinXP.
I never had 8 gigs of memory before, I though 2 gig of memory was good, but
8...is this mean by the time I'm 60 we will be using 24gig?
By the way that's only 3 years away! Oh, I forgot we my not see pass 2012 anyways!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[striker1010]

Btw..I do have my doubts about turning off Page Filing for gaming rigs. I was told that if you are going to game a lot then it's not recommended to turn off your PF since it could crash your game possibly?

Can anyone confirm that?

[Deuter]

I went phase 2 yesterday wit the a1

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Btw..I do have my doubts about turning off Page Filing for gaming rigs. I was told that if you are going to game a lot then it's not recommended to turn off your PF since it could crash your game possibly?

Can anyone confirm that?

I guess someone who has their G73 is going to have to dump the PF and try it out for us. Who's gonna be our guinea pig??

[singleshot71]

Don't mind us geek speak. :wink2: You don't *need* to change pagefile, HDDs, or even remove the bloatware before enjoying your G73 if you don't want to.

I'd recommend you make the restore disks and remove the unneeded bloatware from the computer if you feel comfortable doing so. I'm hearing good things about the new ATI drivers, 10.3 Catalyst, in that they also improve performance. If the G73 doesn't come stock it's a good idea to download the.
Bloatware? If I find absolutely no use for a program I do delete it. Going play with for awhile and see if I need something or not. I usually just keep drivers and os as up to date as possible. Will make sure I do the ATI driver update, not doing it seems to crash your system while playing games.:mad: It will take me a good while to get used to this computer, not used to having 2 hard drives. And from all the new programs from ASUS, wooooh, kinda blew my mind when I was playing with the one at BB!!!:wideeyed: Live long and prosper, and may all your days be great ones!! later peeps

[drremi]

I went phase 2 yesterday wit the a1

Congrats of Phase 2! Maybe I should of kept my original order of the A1!
Was afraid I would of waited another 2 weeks. :(

[mavrrick]

I aggree with Mav..I mean we have 8 gigs on ram on this rig so turning off PF would be the best course of action since you don't really need it in the first place.

P.s. the 1.5ram equation does that work up until the XP os?

Until, If you get a chance do run a test turning it off/on and see how it works out. Would be great if you post the results here xD

When Win2k and XP came out they did a great job of manageing the memory and keeping info off the page file. It was also about the time we had a real true memory explosion. I think i started backing off when I started haveing lots of ram and was using XP. With XP on machines i had plenty of memory on i would set the min to like 512 or 1gig and then the max to 1.5xRAM. Basically it allows the machine to grab more if needed. There is a delay if it has to expand it, but then you just know to go and bump it up beyond were you had it.

The eqation is also a bit dependent on what apps you run. There are a few that will chew through the memory in a 32bit enviroment in no time. Certain Adobe Photo apps for example.

I very rarely modified the default Pagefile settings until i was running 64bit vista and now 7 on my desktop. Even in XP windows does a pretty decent job of manageing that on it's own.

[mavrrick]

Btw..I do have my doubts about turning off Page Filing for gaming rigs. I was told that if you are going to game a lot then it's not recommended to turn off your PF since it could crash your game possibly?

Can anyone confirm that?

I really doubt it will cause games to crash. Think of it like this, your games are 32bit more then likely. So the maximum amount of ram they can use is 4 gigs period. that leave another 4 for everything else going on in the system. So if you are doing major multitasking and actually using another 4 gig i other apps i doubt it will impact games at all.

I can't speak for every game but i have run a few on my desktop and never had an issue. To even go further then that. I have a G15 keyboard and have actually monitored the RAM using while gaming and have never seen my machine go beyond 52% of 8 gigs.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Here's a question, since I'm installing an SSD that only has 80GB (74 after the math) what is the best practice for program installations? Should I install just the OS, drivers and frequently used programs on the SSD and move the bloatware and misc progs to the HDD or is it better to keep all of your programs in the same place?

[Deuter]

I hope it's still the a1 they didn't send me an email askin if I I wanted anything different so I hope it's still the a1 I wanted the bluray

[UntilMoraleImproves]

I hope it's still the a1 they didn't send me an email askin if I I wanted anything different so I hope it's still the a1 I wanted the bluray

Does anyone know if a new BR driver has been released? I've read a bunch of forums that are saying that the drivers aren't up to operating the BR and that is part of why we aren't seeing A1s on the street.

[Deuter]

I know they have drivers for the lg bluray combo drive for desktops. I have it and it works fine

[drremi]

Here's a question, since I'm installing an SSD that only has 80GB (74 after the math) what is the best practice for program installations? Should I install just the OS, drivers and frequently used programs on the SSD and move the bloatware and misc progs to the HDD or is it better to keep all of your programs in the same place?

I prefer to setup my second drive for programs and the junk that gets loaded!
Leave C for the OS and drivers, anything that need quick access.

[algee99]

Here's a question, since I'm installing an SSD that only has 80GB (74 after the math) what is the best practice for program installations? Should I install just the OS, drivers and frequently used programs on the SSD and move the bloatware and misc progs to the HDD or is it better to keep all of your programs in the same place?

IMO, it is fine to put some programs on the SSD and some on the HDD if you want to. On my work system, it has two drives and I've done just that, put some pgms on C and some on D. No problems have arisen from that and no performance issues as far as I can tell.

On my G73 I decided to only put the frequently used programs I really want to be fast loaders, like games, on the SSD and the rest on the HDD. For example, I'm running the office suite from the HDD and going from icon click to MS Outlook ready to go is so fast I don't care that its coming from the HDD. I mean, do I really care if outlook loads in 1-2 seconds from SSD or in 5 seconds or so from HDD?

This beast is FAST! You'll be a happy puppy once you get it.

[UntilMoraleImproves]

IMO, it is fine to put some programs on the SSD and some on the HDD if you want to. On my work system, it has two drives and I've done just that, put some pgms on C and some on D. No problems have arisen from that and no performance issues as far as I can tell.

On my G73 I decided to only put the frequently used programs I really want to be fast loaders, like games, on the SSD and the rest on the HDD. For example, I'm running the office suite from the HDD and going from icon click to MS Outlook ready to go is so fast I don't care that its coming from the HDD. I mean, do I really care if outlook loads in 1-2 seconds from SSD or in 5 seconds or so from HDD?

This beast is FAST! You'll be a happy puppy once you get it.

Actually, you hit the nail on the head! I don't want to waste space on the SSD w/Office. I don't care how responsive Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc are. I knew I could install them on the other drive, just wasn't sure if it was a 'best practice'. Now I have to start a list of what goes where!!

[striker1010]

Okay, So I asked around and people are telling me that it would be a better option to make a PF on the second hd than completely turning it off just because on some occasion you might get an app/game that REQUIRES you have a page file and it just won't start up because you don't.

[striker1010]

Ultimately though, it comes down to somebody testing this out on a G73 and post their results here.

Testing does beat speculation anyday heh..

[Fr0st]

So what are you guys' "must have" programs for a fresh install, excluding games?

For me, I always install:
*drivers and updates (GPU, sound, BIOS, etc)
*Google Chrome (my browser of choice)
*REVO Uninstaller
*OpenOffice Suite
*Photoshop CS4 (I do a lot of graphic design work)
*Steam
*Foobar2000
*Media Player Classic
*Foxit PDF reader
*Microsoft Security Essentials + Windows Defender (surprisingly great A/V, and free)
*CCleaner
*Deffragler
*7-zip
*Java, Flash, Silverlight, .NET framework
*Dropbox
*Utorrent
*Notepad++

[mavrrick]

I have to agree it is kinda of a "What needs to load really fast" thing. I have had some games and a few apps that i just can't stand waiting on. Waiting on a load screen for 20-30 seconds is really annoying. I will probably do some games and just the OS. Most apps that are smaller or that only take a few moments to load can run from the regular drive. Ofcourse who knows, until i have it phyiscally here i can't say for certain how i will set it up.

Depending on how often you like to reload, you may want to consider that in your scenerio as well. As installing apps on seperate drives can kinda of make a mess if you have to reload. I will be using a WHS so that will negate any reload from media hopefully.

[striker1010]

LOLLLL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqWOnDqQ4v8&feature=related

[jbermi]

so I have missed the UPS man, twice by like 5 minutes...changed to will call, and about to load up my 4 kids and go get my N71.

[striker1010]

so I have missed the UPS man, twice by like 5 minutes...changed to will call, and about to load up my 4 kids and go get my N71.

nice. Let us know how the machine runs :)

[Anemos]

@kiwi_Pig: Phase 4 now. :D

[gadzooks64]

So what are you guys' "must have" programs for a fresh install, excluding games?

For me, I always install:
*drivers and updates (GPU, sound, BIOS, etc)
*Google Chrome (my browser of choice)
*REVO Uninstaller
*OpenOffice Suite
*Photoshop CS4 (I do a lot of graphic design work)
*Steam
*Foobar2000
*Media Player Classic
*Foxit PDF reader
*Microsoft Security Essentials + Windows Defender (surprisingly great A/V, and free)
*CCleaner
*Deffragler
*7-zip
*Java, Flash, Silverlight, .NET framework
*Dropbox
*Utorrent
*Notepad++



I use FF instead of Chrome
VLC instead of Media Player Classic although I use it on my netbook with CoreAV codecs.
I prefer Glary Utillities to CCleaner
I have an extra copy of Office 2007 waiting for a home
WinRAR
Smart Defrag



I agree with you on:


Revo
Foxit
MSE
DropBox
Utorrent
Notepad++


I also use:



ScreenHunter 5.1
Kindle app for PC
Trillian Astra
Logon Changer
Skype
MalwareBytes
DriverMax

[powerpack]

OK since you guys are actually possessing these beasts the conversation has shifted from the fun to the technical. Maverick seems to b the expert but? I disagree with him on some points. Not even going to do a point by point.

Do not disable PF. Yes for some it will do little and not matter so yes you would be fine. I get that. But it does NOT I repeat DOES NOT ever improve performance on any Windows OS since about 98. So if it does not improve performance why do?

OK you guy's with SSD's and concerned about space and writes? Yea put it on the HDD. The only penalty will be space used. And I hardly think the space used will impact. OK so never used you lost 20GB space? Ain't going to hurt nothing. Might help.

It was said before some apps need PF to run correct. That is true and why I say for most do not mess with. I do not PF will be used for most because of a lack of RAM. Some applications have elements/components/code that is meant to be in PF. Why crowd the RAM with data that might only be accessed 1byte at a time so not going to retard performance?

Let Windows manage PF but always put on a different drive from OS when an option.

You performance freaks who think you have so much RAM a better step might be create a 2GB RAM Drive. That will reduce your RAM to 6GB but you will have a PF running at RAM speed and applications that need PF will have it. As you guys said you have sick amount of RAM? 6GB is still sick. And you would have a PF.

UMI I don't think I like your strategy on not installing Office on SSD. Unless space becomes an issue I would install all apps on the SSD including Office. Where documents are saved would be on the HDD. I might further save current documents on the SSD (current is less than storage). Having Office open very fast is nice. A document of 16KB is going to open fine from a floppy. So not so critical but getting Office started as an app is more than 16KB.

I likely did a way bad overview as I just babbled not like am researching right now. But if anyone wants to point by point me I can respond in greater thought and detail.

Just got home. Braeyn's talk of biscuits and glory holes is much easier to comment on than this stuff. But I used to comment on real things so maybe I can get it back?

[drremi]

Hey,guys,
I ran into a snag today! Got news the my instant transfer wasn't an e-check from Paypal and didn't qualify for a discount! I needed to fork over additional $110.00. OUCH!!!! :(:(:(

I don't understand what happen, I followed thru with the e-check on PayPal but still went thru as an instant transfer....no waiting! Since when is that ever been a problem? almost 7 weeks go by and now I find this out???? :confused:

[drremi]

OK since you guys are actually possessing these beasts the conversation has shifted from the fun to the technical. Maverick seems to b the expert but? I disagree with him on some points. Not even going to do a point by point.

Do not disable PF. Yes for some it will do little and not matter so yes you would be fine. I get that. But it does NOT I repeat DOES NOT ever improve performance on any Windows OS since about 98. So if it does not improve performance why do?

OK you guy's with SSD's and concerned about space and writes? Yea put it on the HDD. The only penalty will be space used. And I hardly think the space used will impact. OK so never used you lost 20GB space? Ain't going to hurt nothing. Might help.

It was said before some apps need PF to run correct. That is true and why I say for most do not mess with. I do not PF will be used for most because of a lack of RAM. Some applications have elements/components/code that is meant to be in PF. Why crowd the RAM with data that might only be accessed 1byte at a time so not going to retard performance?

Let Windows manage PF but always put on a different drive from OS when an option.

You performance freaks who think you have so much RAM a better step might be create a 2GB RAM Drive. That will reduce your RAM to 6GB but you will have a PF running at RAM speed and applications that need PF will have it. As you guys said you have sick amount of RAM? 6GB is still sick. And you would have a PF.

UMI I don't think I like your strategy on not installing Office on SSD. Unless space becomes an issue I would install all apps on the SSD including Office. Where documents are saved would be on the HDD. I might further save current documents on the SSD (current is less than storage). Having Office open very fast is nice. A document of 16KB is going to open fine from a floppy. So not so critical but getting Office started as an app is more than 16KB.

I likely did a way bad overview as I just babbled not like am researching right now. But if anyone wants to point by point me I can respond in greater thought and detail.

Just got home. Braeyn's talk of biscuits and glory holes is much easier to comment on than this stuff. But I used to comment on real things so maybe I can get it back?

Like your reasoning, and is very clear! rep point for this one!!!! :rolleyes:

[powerpack]

When I order I am going to talk to Xotic about securing the money so when it is ready to ship no issues. 1% interest does me no good might as well let Xotic have it to get the discount and no delay.

[Braeyn]

I am going to try and sleep until monday... Makes my lappy get here quicker!

[drremi]

When I order I am going to talk to Xotic about securing the money so when it is ready to ship no issues. 1% interest does me no good might as well let Xotic have it to get the discount and no delay.

I spoke with Joe about an hour ago, and they had to look for the money!
I sent it six weeks ago and under the impression it was done correctly!
I wanted the discount, I called PayPal and they said sometimes you don't get that option until after it goes thru! Still don't understand! I sent 110 more so there isn't any wait time. I'll get it resolved but don't want to be held up anymore! Went with the A2 with added 2x BD. I guess it's fast that way!

[powerpack]

I am going to try and sleep until monday... Makes my lappy get here quicker!Be ready for visits from ghosts of lappies past/present/future Scrooge!:p

See that is easy to comment on!;)

[powerpack]

I spoke with Joe about an hour ago, and they had to look for the money!
I sent it six weeks ago and under the impression it was done correctly!
I wanted the discount, I called PayPal and they said sometimes you don't get that option until after it goes thru! Still don't understand! I sent 110 more so there isn't any wait time. I'll get it resolved but don't want to be held up anymore! Went with the A2 with added 2x BD. I guess it's fast that way!Yea I hope you work it out. I just mean if my savings gives me 1%apr I don't care, and checking gives me 0%apr.:)

[striker1010]

Btw what are your guys opinion on Powernotebooks?

[Braeyn]

For the record, I had nothing to do with the biscuit conversation. Glory holes and hummers.. That's me.

[mavrrick]

OK since you guys are actually possessing these beasts the conversation has shifted from the fun to the technical. Maverick seems to b the expert but? I disagree with him on some points. Not even going to do a point by point.

Do not disable PF. Yes for some it will do little and not matter so yes you would be fine. I get that. But it does NOT I repeat DOES NOT ever improve performance on any Windows OS since about 98. So if it does not improve performance why do?

OK you guy's with SSD's and concerned about space and writes? Yea put it on the HDD. The only penalty will be space used. And I hardly think the space used will impact. OK so never used you lost 20GB space? Ain't going to hurt nothing. Might help.

It was said before some apps need PF to run correct. That is true and why I say for most do not mess with. I do not PF will be used for most because of a lack of RAM. Some applications have elements/components/code that is meant to be in PF. Why crowd the RAM with data that might only be accessed 1byte at a time so not going to retard performance?

Let Windows manage PF but always put on a different drive from OS when an option.

You performance freaks who think you have so much RAM a better step might be create a 2GB RAM Drive. That will reduce your RAM to 6GB but you will have a PF running at RAM speed and applications that need PF will have it. As you guys said you have sick amount of RAM? 6GB is still sick. And you would have a PF.

UMI I don't think I like your strategy on not installing Office on SSD. Unless space becomes an issue I would install all apps on the SSD including Office. Where documents are saved would be on the HDD. I might further save current documents on the SSD (current is less than storage). Having Office open very fast is nice. A document of 16KB is going to open fine from a floppy. So not so critical but getting Office started as an app is more than 16KB.

I likely did a way bad overview as I just babbled not like am researching right now. But if anyone wants to point by point me I can respond in greater thought and detail.

Just got home. Braeyn's talk of biscuits and glory holes is much easier to comment on than this stuff. But I used to comment on real things so maybe I can get it back?

Great response and allot of good points. First off it is Mavrrick.. I don't want to be confused with Maverick494 :p.

Your points are completely valid. Until Vista and 8GB of ram I have always let window manage my PF and I would suggest that in most cases. It just so happens that you hit the nail on the head with the comment about reducing read writes to the SSD drive. Windows has always been notorious for putting extra crud in Swap that didn't need to be there when you had extra ram. It might be better with 7 but honestly I haven't had a setup to test that here. Setting up a ram drive scenerio as you described just accomplishes the same result,but breaks the memory into two pools so that your resources might be split and not as efficiently used. If I find there are problems I will probably enable the PF as part of my troubleshooting steps.

In my uses it has worrked very well with haveing it disabled. It is very possible that it won't work for all. I probably should qualify that my main system is mostly for work/Virtual Machine/and HTPC, and gaming last.

In the end it is to each there own. I ment to speak about what i am going to do and that it is possible, more then make a suggestion. I wonder if it would make more senses for some meathod of System Memory and Readyboost concept over a page file.

I would also like to add. Unless you are completely comfortable with messing with the PF it is best left alone.

[powerpack]

Btw what are your guys opinion on Powernotebooks?Not on this site! They are a fine company as Xotic is. Paladin44 (NBR)? Is a nice honest guy. They have a slight Christian slant but nothing wrong with that. They are real competitors of Xotic, except the world is big enough for both.

But on Xotic furom? Not nice.;)

[Braeyn]

Btw what are your guys opinion on Powernotebooks?
Some of their misc stuff is ok, but my overall opinion is low starting price which quickly goes up. Their reseller rating is quite high though.

[jbermi]

nice. Let us know how the machine runs :)


its a beautiful machine. still loading unloading stuff, etc...anyone have an answer for my question about tthe SSD?

[mavrrick]

What was the question I can't find it

[jbermi]

its in the computer q&A forum..

[mavrrick]

yea.. i just saw it and responded. Let me know how it goes.

[striker1010]

Not on this site! They are a fine company as Xotic is. Paladin44 (NBR)? Is a nice honest guy. They have a slight Christian slant but nothing wrong with that. They are real competitors of Xotic, except the world is big enough for both.

But on Xotic furom? Not nice.;)

It's not that, My friend was ordering a rig from them and he was asking me if they were any good is all and I personally never used them before nor has anyone that I know that's why I was asking.

[Fr0st]

Not on this site! They are a fine company as Xotic is. Paladin44 (NBR)? Is a nice honest guy. They have a slight Christian slant but nothing wrong with that. They are real competitors of Xotic, except the world is big enough for both.

But on Xotic furom? Not nice.;)

I'm confused, how do they have a Christian slant?

I've never bought from them nor heard of them, so I'm curious how a laptop reseller can have religious connotations :P

[powerpack]

mavrrick sorry about the name thing. I did confuse you guys at first but I figured it out a while ago even if I can't spell.:p

I think what you do for the reasons you do are fine. I just want others to know a more broad spectrum so to speak.

On your comment about Windows wanting to use the PF because it is there? I can't argue at this time on specifics. In a general way the way Windows handles the PF is if it is not there the data goes bye bye. Like I said I can't argue because Windows also loves to keep RAM free? And I am very cognizant that un used RAM can be wasted RAM.

It is my question, does eliminating the PF increase RAM usage? If it does point for you, if not then you lost what could of been retrieved.

I am not on top of W7.

There was a comment about 32 bit apps. Even though we have gone 64bit does not mean The OS lets all be used. Windows 32bit only let apps use 2GB's not the theoretical 4GB's which can never be used as other devices and apps must share. So Windows 32 only let 2GB work. What does 64 allow? I do not know.

I guess all I am saying is your thoughts make sense for some. It is no magic bullet. It is unlikely to improve real world performance. But if like me or I think like you you wanna play and just see what happens. Go for it ain't gonna hurt nothing. But if you are a pure user who wants to increase performance. As of yet this is not that kind of tip. Many other things you can do my friends before going to PF. Other than Put it on a separate disk from OS let Windows manage.

Mavvrick I did the RAM drive for about a day ad said F this Sht. I have 32bit OS so 64 might be different but I just did not want to lose RAM.;)

I liked the simple conversations! Where have they gone?:p:)

[mavrrick]

With vista and 7 they have the WOW32 enviroment for 32bit apps. It is my understanding that if the program is compiled correctly it allows them if not up to close to the full 4 gigs that a 32bit enviroment can support. The key there is that the app has to be compiled correctly. And allot of the current games are. The game that I was refereing to that pushed my box to 52% was Warhammer Online. That was the first and so far only time i have seen my box hit above 4 gigs(excluding loading a VM with allot of memory for testing). It was actually using right at 3 gigs of memory alone. It pushed windows processes into the 4GB+ range.

You are completely right in that it won't increase performance. Unless you run out of ram nothing should really increase performance in either scenerio. Actually that is what the addition of the SSD is there for:P I really don't think we disagree it is all about preference in application, and when you start talking about going out of the norm there is certainly no one fits all solution. Who knows i am baseing allot on this from experience with my desktop that doesn't have a SSD. It all could change a few months down the road.

[powerpack]

It's not that, My friend was ordering a rig from them and he was asking me if they were any good is all and I personally never used them before nor has anyone that I know that's why I was asking.If your freind asked are they stand up? Did I do good? Then yes I am not going to bash them. I do not think any of the JJJ's are going to. Unles He wants to change, he will be fine. But our forums rock and theirs do not!

I'm confused, how do they have a Christian slant?

I've never bought from them nor heard of them, so I'm curious how a laptop reseller can have religious connotations :PI guess I was wrong. I miss read their mission statement. "We Live to serve Him and you", yea I probably misunderstand that? You think?

Like I said I like the company, I really do not have a problem with that statement. I am a Christian myself. I believe in their sincerity on that statement. But I am a little bit of the old school. Give onto the the Lord what is his and when buying a notebook get a good deal for Caesar.:p:p:p

[UntilMoraleImproves]

Ok, I'm sorry I ever brought up the PF question, LOL!

Seriously though, I have an 80GB SSD, I'm not planning on wasting the limited amount of space and I'm not going to put anything on the drive that is going to write to the drive often. I could care less how long it takes for Office apps to load. At 7200 RPM, it isn't going to be a problem for me. SSD gets the OS, FF, certain programs and games. Everything else, including the PF, is going to the HDD.

[powerpack]

I got a glory hole shot for you. Get ready UMI.:p:)

[UntilMoraleImproves]

I got a glory hole shot for you. Get ready UMI.:p:)

I'll bet you do PP! When was the last time you got some action? ;)

[powerpack]

I'll bet you do PP! When was the last time you got some action? ;)Well other than when I met Braeyn in the parking lot of Xotic it was a while. But I must be honest when you close your eyes it really is the same? I got a hot chick tonight!:p:D

[Kunari]

I got a glory hole shot for you. Get ready UMI.:p:)

Wow, that's a topic changer! :laugh:

Looking at my current system: OS, Games, necessary apps will take up most of a 80g drive too, so I'm with UMI. PF goes to the HDD as well as unnecessary apps. I too will need to map out what goes to which drive. Good idea UMI. :notworthy

Now back to your regularly scheduled glory hole. :wink2:

[Fr0st]

I think all my games will be installed on the 500g drive, since games hardly benefit from an SSD. My other everyday programs though (like OpenOffice, Chrome, Photoshop) will go on the SSD, since i think they'll benefit most from it.

From what I've heard at least, gaming isn't improved too much with an SSD. Just general system performance?

[powerpack]

Wow, that's a topic changer! :laugh:

Looking at my current system: OS, Games, necessary apps will take up most of a 80g drive too, so I'm with UMI. PF goes to the HDD as well as unnecessary apps. I too will need to map out what goes to which drive. Good idea UMI. :notworthy

Now back to your regularly scheduled glory hole. :wink2:Make sure you understand apps and storage?

I think all my games will be installed on the 500g drive, since games hardly benefit from an SSD. My other everyday programs though (like OpenOffice, Chrome, Photoshop) will go on the SSD, since i think they'll benefit most from it.

From what I've heard at least, gaming isn't improved too much with an SSD. Just general system performance?Game play does not benefit from. That is the loading of say levels. The loading of the application does matter big time. But what do I know? Thinking Glory holes with Breayn?

[tuckerjt07]

I am typing this from my brand new G73jh-A1. Haven't really had time to mess with it that much, still downloading toolbars and programs I need, but first impression is that the machine is worth the wait. First off the click bar for the touch pad is stiff, but not overly so , but I prefer it to be slightly stiff. Also, it may have been in the literature, but it came as a pleasant surprise to me that the touch pad allowed multi-touch zoom. Second, the sound quality for it being a laptop is amazing. The keyboard has a great feel to it and is extremely easy to type on. The picture on the machine is out of this world. It is just as good as my 42" 1080p LCD so it will easily handle blu-ray I would assume. The backpack is good, but if you are a student like me you are not going to be fitting too many books in there with it. However, for just toting around the laptop the bag is amazing. I also received the five button mouse and would have gladly paid 50 bucks for it. So far I haven't really found any problems with it.

ps
Would someone mind posting the CPU and GPU temp utilites, the way to tell what speed your ram is, and any other useful tools and I'll try to do some benchmarking.

[powerpack]

I will help you. But no on that post no! You got to do some good! I need some time!!! sorry!

[tuckerjt07]

I will help you. But no on that post no! You got to do some good! I need some time!!! sorry!

PP I'm sorry, but I just don't get what you are trying to say on this post

[UntilMoraleImproves]

PP I'm sorry, but I just don't get what you are trying to say on this post

PP is a bit tipsy and hasn't gotten laid in a while, you'll have to forgive him, haha.

I think he's going to post the links to benchmarking tools but maybe he's saying he won't do all the work? I dunno.

[powerpack]

PP is a bit tipsy and hasn't gotten laid in a while, you'll have to forgive him, haha.

I think he's going to post the links to benchmarking tools but maybe he's saying he won't do all the work? I dunno.yea what he said!:p

[po'd-g73jh-a2wanter]

:confused:So anyone considering applying their own thermal compound? I watched a few videos looks pretty simple. and on one, he said it wasnt going to void his warranty.:confused:

[Kunari]

PP I'm sorry, but I just don't get what you are trying to say on this post

I assume you're looking for CPUz and GPUz, Google 'em they aren't hard to find.

This (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=122632)is also a good link for Asus laptop info and what bloatware to remove.

This (http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=8je5Ot4HBnKOdT81) is a link to the Asus' site to download updated drivers (If there are any yet)

I finally suggest you navigate to the ATI site and get the 10.3 drivers, if your A1 didn't come equipped with them.

[powerpack]

:confused:So anyone considering applying their own thermal compound? I watched a few videos looks pretty simple. and on one, he said it wasnt going to void his warranty.:confused:Yea if you take it aprat?

[Kunari]

Make sure you understand apps and storage?

:laugh: I hope so for my companies sake.

I'm a long way for having the spare cash for a SSD anyway the size of drive I end up getting will determine what goes on the SSD or not. The G73 is going to be my gaming computer, I have a work laptop already and a nice TV setup.

[powerpack]

I just ordered? I want good food. Not that I don't love you all. But I do need to eat!

[SirLemonWinks]

Woot! I finally arrive at a time where a thousand ppl have not already responded to a post. Congrats on ordering PP. I'm supposing this upgrades u from forum troll to?

[powerpack]

I ordered food?

[SirLemonWinks]

and here i was getting excited for u, the words "i ordered" are powerful in this forum.

[Macedonia]

asus g73 vip reservation list(update)

jan 2010
1)Boglesnurf: 1/1/10 PHASE 4 (A1)
2)Spesszer: 1/9/10 - PHASE 4
3)algee99: 1/15/10 (phase 4) new
4)bid5052: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
5)haunterzerox: 1/18/10 - (phase 4 or cancel)
6)CoOkIe_MoNsTeR: 1/18/10 - HAS ONE FROM ANOTHER RESELLER, WAITING ONe RIG FROM XOTIC
7)icemonkey9: 1/19/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
8)RozZy: 1/19/10 - SHIPPED!
9)Sigil82: 1/20/10 - PHASE 2 (phase 4 or cancel)
10)jamiemacca: 1/22/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
11)Nokarma: 1/23/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
12)nadkins: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
13)Destal: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
14)rastamandom: 1/29/10 (phase 4 or cancel)
15)Nukie: end of January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
16)popwar: some time in January (no date listed)(phase 4 or cancel)
17)Predator Hunter: 1/31/10(phase 4 or cancel)

feb 2010
18)Christoff: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
19)Millianz: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
20)fingersniffer-2/1/10 (phase 4)new.proud owner of asus g73 since (3/30/10) waited for(58days)
21)honkhonkhonk: 2/1/10(phase 4 or cancel)
22)sshen: 2/2/10(phase 4 or cancel)
23)gdw-2/2/10 (phase 2)(phase 4 or cancel)
24)UntilMoraleImproves: 2/3/10(phase 4) new-active user
25)singleshot71: 2/3/10 (Phase 4 )new -active user
26)Halaster: 2/4/10(phase 4)new
27)mr.E doc-2/4/10 (phase 4) new
28)Braeyn: 2/5/10 (phase 4)-active user
29)Culnaur: 2/6/10 (phase 4) new
30)desipalen-2/6/10 (phase 4)new
31)Dueter: 2/7/10 (phase 2) new
32)drremi: 2/8/10(confirmed phase 2) new-active user
33)Bgeorgiev.Boris: 2/8/10
34)Anemos: 2/8/10 (phase 2) new
35)Mekhit: 2/9/10 (order cancel) active user
36)Macedon: 2/9/10
37)Rick: 2/10/10
38)Dusk: 2/10/10
39)AmarilloMike: 2/12/10
40)palmgopher: 2/12/10
41)PMuse: 2/13/10 (possibly bumped down to 2/17)
42)TenetSW: 2/18/10
43)ludain: 2/18/10
44)DRevan: 2/18/10
45)cntzero-2/18/10 (phase 1) new
46)Rannd: 2/19/10
47)mrpete: 2/19/10
48)mertesn: 2/19/10
49)ZorrosRage: 2/21/10
50)Verbal: 2/21/10
51)retron09: 2/22/10-active user
52)fangloveyan: 2/22/10
53)mavvrick: 2/23/10
54)tony_1017: 2/23/10
55)buddasahn: 2/23/10
56)FupDuck: 2/24/10
57)spatufsa-2/24/10
58)dylan121: 2/26/10
59)romerom: 2/26/10 -active user
60)Alikazam: 2/26/10
61)BizzleFizzle: 2/27/10
62)jayyy: either 2/28/10 or 3/2/10 depending on the calendar he used
63)ssbm-2/28/10

march2010
64)JMW_WPM: 3/1/10
65)Nemax: 3/2/10
66)Cheesyc: 3/2/10
67)DadOudidOuda: 3/3/10
68)Grimreaper: 3/3/10
69)MrScience2008: 3/4/10
70)Macedonia-A1 on March 4
71)Fr0st: 3/5/10-active user
72)xyz: 3/5/10
73)Tonylo: 3/6/10
74)WaHaHa: 3/6/10
75)smiley84: 3/7/10
76)aragog-3/8/2010-active user
77)Goetterdaemmerung: 3/9/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
78)sage99-3/10/10
79)kingtz: SWITCHED TO SAGER
80)TheCrazyCanuck: 3/5/10 - (SWITCHED TO SAGER)
81)tuckerjt07: ?
82)sixtysix: ?
83)cain: ?
84)plan99fromouterspace: ?
85)desipalen: ?
86)dominator246: ?
87)kiwi_pig- 17/3/2010 (178XX) phase 1-active user
88)kunari-18/3/2010 ?? 17909 (phase 1)-active user
89)Striker1010: 3/22/10 (phase 1)-active user
90)gadzooks64-3/23/10 (180xx)(phase 1)
91)teitan-3/24/10 (phase 1)(180XX)
92)rake-3/24/10 (phase 1) new


APR
93)raphy-1apr... due to the late wire transfer you will most probably be on apr, good luck mate :)
94)powerpack- status unknown



green-phase 4/shipped/cencel
brown-active user
teal -SWITCHED
purple-date
red-number

[retron09]

:confused:So anyone considering applying their own thermal compound? I watched a few videos looks pretty simple. and on one, he said it wasnt going to void his warranty.:confused:

Good luck with that one.:rolleyes:

[retron09]

I ordered food?

Did it at least taste like a G73 PP? Or was it more like a soggy biscuit?:laugh:

[powerpack]

It was good. Nothing like a biscuit?

[retron09]

It was good. Nothing like a biscuit?

That's good, I think will leave the biscuits and glory holes to UMI and Braeyn.:wink2:

[retron09]

BTW, does anybody know when i'm no longer a notebook EVANGELIST? I'm a friggin' terrorist, how the hell can I be an evangelist?!:mad:

[romerom]

hey retron.. just noticed you are in arizona. I'm in chandler! :) whereabouts are ya?

[Cray]

I pre-ordered the A1 model on March 10th currently in 'Phase 1' (whatever that means).

[singleshot71]

Actually, you hit the nail on the head! I don't want to waste space on the SSD w/Office. I don't care how responsive Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc are. I knew I could install them on the other drive, just wasn't sure if it was a 'best practice'. Now I have to start a list of what goes where!!
HELL NO!!! you are not allowed to ever start another list!!!! Look what you did here!!! :laugh:

[Fingersniffer]

ok, been away for most of the day and see too many pages of crap

Mav has many good points and offered solid info about MS OS

Here is my take:

I will not ever disable PF, if it goes unused then that's ok, but at least its there if needed, better to have it and not need it than to need it and it not be there.
I do think its a good practice to put the PF on a secondary HD, but not a requirement.

@UMI
For your 80g SSD I would suggest the following to be loaded onto it:
OS
Browsers
Commonly used Games/Applications (Some games DO benefit from the SSD speed, especially multiplayer loading maps)
Items that commonly interact with the OS (Other MS products, Media Codecs etc)

Anything else and ANY media files on the second drive.

[singleshot71]

I pre-ordered the A1 model on March 10th currently in 'Phase 1' (whatever that means).
It means you are in for a long and agonizing wait...mine delivered today, but I'm in frigging Texas!!! and it's already hitting 90 degrees here!!!:swoon: Jesus Christ will it ever end?! And WTF does "Active user" mean???? I freaking quit doin drugs over an hour ago!!!!!!

[choyj]

(Some games DO benefit from the SSD speed, especially multiplayer loading maps)

and texture loads too!

My Alienware box also has a 160GB X25M-G2 and the time to load up games and levels and loading textures is noticably faster. I remember playing one game (I forget) where it would give some sort of tip while it loaded the next level. After switching to the SSD, I suddenly could not finish reading some of the tips!

You may not notice the speed if you're going directly to a laptop with SSD. But you'll notice the difference if you take the SSD out and put the traditional spindle back in.

[drremi]

It means you are in for a long and agonizing wait...mine delivered today, but I'm in frigging Texas!!! and it's already hitting 90 degrees here!!!:swoon: Jesus Christ will it ever end?! And WTF does "Active user" mean???? I freaking quit doin drugs over an hour ago!!!!!!

Ya, have to agree with the long agonizing wait! No it never ends!! :laugh::laugh:
I do so many drugs I forgot what month it is! :eeek2::eeek2:

[UntilMoraleImproves]

HELL NO!!! you are not allowed to ever start another list!!!! Look what you did here!!! :laugh:

LOL! Not a list on the boards, just one at home to separate out which apps go to which drive! LOL!

[retron09]

hey retron.. just noticed you are in arizona. I'm in chandler! :) whereabouts are ya?

Why, are you going to stalk me just because of convenience?:laugh: J/k, I'm in Sierra Vista. Its about 75 miles southeast of Tucson, about 15 miles from the border.

[retron09]

Ok guys, just to let you know, I've decided to cancel my order and go with something different. I don't think this computer is all it's cracked up to be or that it is worth the wait. I mean, it's really no better than any other run-of-the-mill laptop out there for sale for less than 500 bucks. And all the bitching that goes on about it is ridiculous!

[UntilMoraleImproves]

ok guys, just to let you know, i've decided to cancel my order and go with something different. I don't think this computer is all it's cracked up to be or that it is worth the wait. I mean, it's really no better than any other run-of-the-mill laptop out there for sale for less than 500 bucks. And all the bitching that goes on about it is ridiculous!

April Fools!!

[buddasahn]

***IMPORTANT UPDATE*** I just got off the phone with both Justin and Joe at Xotic. I've been told that all orders for both Feb and March should be filled within the next few days and should be shipping out shortly. This is great news for all of us that have been waiting seemingly forever!!!

Oh....and 1 other thing....HAPPY APRIL FOOLS DAY!!!

[striker1010]

Nuu you ruined it..don't say april fools day until after you get buncha response from ppl saying omg yay or something xDD

[retron09]

April Fools!!

No, I don't think so! This is one of the things i'm talking about. Everybody that's on here is childish. Especially you, you have all your opinions about this thing and that, and then when someone disagrees with you, you fly off the deep end acting like a fool. It's not even worth it to waste my time writing anymore, because you listen like a rock.