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Genbu
06-30-2010, 08:16 PM
1) What is your budget? $3500-ish, could push it up if it is REALLY worth it

2) What size notebook would you prefer? 17"+ screen

3) What country are you buying this in? US

4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
I'm liking Sager and Asus, not so much Dell, Alienware, HP

5) What tasks will you be performing with the notebook? Heavy video editing, encoding and rendering large files, HD, multiple programs in CS5 (After Effects, Photoshop, Premiere) and probably any game I can get my hands on.

6) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places or leaving it on your desk? Mobile desktop replacement, mostly using a cord with occasional travel.

7) Will you be playing games on it; if so, which games? Anything new.

8) How many hours of battery life do you need? Around 2 would be ok, would like to be able to watch a movie off batt if possible but not necessary.

9) Do you mind buying online without seeing the notebook in person? No

10) What OS do you prefer? (more details below)
-Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit

Screen Specifics
11) From the choices below, what screen resolutions would you prefer? (more details below) Widescreen 1080 or above

12) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non glossy screen?

Gloss

Build Quality and Design

13) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you? Solid build is best, don't care about lights or anything.

14) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last? Buying in the next month or so, and would like as much longevity as possible, 3-5 years ideally.

Notebook Components

15) How much hard drive space do you want? 1TB


16) Do you need an optical drive? Yes Blu-Ray burner

17) What speed CPU/Processor would you like? Dual core or Quad Core CPU? Quad


I would love any input as this is a MAJOR purchase and needs to last a while. Filming and editing is what I do for a living and this upgrade makes my last comp laughable, it needs to be shot and buried.

I see roughly 2 options with +/- to each:

Sager NP8850
i7-920XM
GTX 480M
8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz
6X Blue-Ray Burner/Reader
500GB 7200RPM (X2)
$3610.43 (w cash discount)
(http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jha1-order-p-2731.html)positives:
-i/o ports that i will need (firewire, esata, express slot)
-nvidia card w/ cuda (not sure if it is needed but the video rendering demos with CS5 are fast as they are built to utilize cuda. If anyone has input on that let me know)

negatives:
-less ram - I will have multiple projects open at once across multiple applications and screens.
-more expensive

Asus G73JH-A1
i7-940XM
HD5870
(16GB) DDR3 1333MHz
6X Blu-Ray Writer/Reader
500GB 7200RPM (X2)
(http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jha1-order-p-2731.html)$3475.66 (w cash discount)
positives:
-slightly better processor
-16gb ram nice!
-cheaper

negatives:
-lack of i/o may be a dealbreaker unless there is a workaround. (Suggestions?)
-ati card (no cuda, again if anyone has info about this please let me know as it may not make a difference)
-have heard the horrors of them bricking, which would not be cool on deadlines and loss/transfer of large files

the A1 has more + but also more -

a third option might be the NP9285 set up as a mix between them, yet it still maxes at 12gb ram and ends up being slightly more for a marginal increase (that is in the realm of the budget)

any thoughts on workarounds and input would be much appreciated!

mrmatt
06-30-2010, 09:20 PM
The Sager you have configured sounds good to me, because if this is going to be something that you rely on for work, then you want a computer that there will be zero problems with. The Asus has been having problems, and if you rely on it and it bricks, then you will be in trouble. You can get a NP8760 completely maxed for less than 3k which is something to think about as well.

Maverick494
06-30-2010, 09:30 PM
1) What is your budget? $3500-ish, could push it up if it is REALLY worth it

2) What size notebook would you prefer? 17"+ screen

3) What country are you buying this in? US

4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
I'm liking Sager and Asus, not so much Dell, Alienware, HP

5) What tasks will you be performing with the notebook? Heavy video editing, encoding and rendering large files, HD, multiple programs in CS5 (After Effects, Photoshop, Premiere) and probably any game I can get my hands on.

6) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places or leaving it on your desk? Mobile desktop replacement, mostly using a cord with occasional travel.

7) Will you be playing games on it; if so, which games? Anything new.

8) How many hours of battery life do you need? Around 2 would be ok, would like to be able to watch a movie off batt if possible but not necessary.

9) Do you mind buying online without seeing the notebook in person? No

10) What OS do you prefer? (more details below)
-Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit

Screen Specifics
11) From the choices below, what screen resolutions would you prefer? (more details below)
Widescreen 1080 or above

12) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non glossy screen?

Gloss

Build Quality and Design

13) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you? Solid build is best, don't care about lights or anything.

14) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last? Buying in the next month or so, and would like as much longevity as possible, 3-5 years ideally.

Notebook Components

15) How much hard drive space do you want? 1TB


16) Do you need an optical drive? Yes Blu-Ray burner

17) What speed CPU/Processor would you like? Dual core or Quad Core CPU? Quad


I would love any input as this is a MAJOR purchase and needs to last a while. Filming and editing is what I do for a living and this upgrade makes my last comp laughable, it needs to be shot and buried.

I see roughly 2 options with +/- to each:

Sager NP8850
i7-920XM
GTX 480M
8,192MB DDR3 1333MHz
6X Blue-Ray Burner/Reader
500GB 7200RPM (X2)
$3610.43 (w cash discount)
positives:
-i/o ports that i will need (firewire, esata, express slot)
-nvidia card w/ cuda (not sure if it is needed but the video rendering demos with CS5 are fast as they are built to utilize cuda. If anyone has input on that let me know)

negatives:
-less ram - I will have multiple projects open at once across multiple applications and screens.
-more expensive

Asus G73JH-A1
i7-940XM
HD5870
(16GB) DDR3 1333MHz
6X Blu-Ray Writer/Reader
500GB 7200RPM (X2)
$3475.66 (w cash discount)
positives:
-slightly better processor
-16gb ram nice!
-cheaper

negatives:
-lack of i/o may be a dealbreaker unless there is a workaround. (Suggestions?)
-ati card (no cuda, again if anyone has info about this please let me know as it may not make a difference)
-have heard the horrors of them bricking, which would not be cool on deadlines and loss/transfer of large files

the A1 has more + but also more -

a third option might be the NP9285 set up as a mix between them, yet it still maxes at 12gb ram and ends up being slightly more for a marginal increase (that is in the realm of the budget)

any thoughts on workarounds and input would be much appreciated!

There is no work around for the G73 lack of connection options. At that price point the 8850 is absolutely hands down the better choice. Though you might also want to look at the 9285 more seriously.

The only reason the Sagers max at 8GB at the moment is due to there not being 8GB sticks of DDR3 yet. Once there are it is likely that you will be able to expand to 12/16GB for the sagers. Then again it might be time to upgrade again by then lol.

Even when video editing though 8GB should be enough. Plus once OpenCL takes hold a bit better CUDA advantage is all over with.

Plus there are more negatives than you list for the G73 like the 6-8 week wait time, major issues that can and are really possible to pop up causing you to RMA the G73.

Personally I think you might also consider the 8760 with the 5870MR, unless you are dead set on having the CUDA available.

There is always the softmod option if you should choose to do it. Some people argue that a person wouldn't want to softmod their card, but some do. (http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313065 is a thread about it).

fatty400
06-30-2010, 10:26 PM
Why not the Clevo D900F?:

Sager NP9285 (Built on Clevo D900F) Ultimate Custom Laptop
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-960 (3.2GHz) 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8 GT/sec QPI, LGA 1366
- - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- nVidia GeForce GTX 285M 1,024MB PCI-Express GDDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- No External Graphics Card
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 12,288MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)~
- None Standard -
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- No Network Accessory
- Integrated Digital Video Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- No Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Operating System Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs
- No Xotic PC Gear
$3069 before cash discount

Or if you want go for the Fermi but you can softmodthe 285M to a Quadro FX 3800M

The CPU power is almost double that of the CPU in the 8850/G73- the desktop CPU's destroy the laptop ones which doesnt qualify for a "marginal increase."

Genbu
06-30-2010, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the replies! Sager seems to be where I'm headed. I do like the 8760 idea.
As far as the NP9285, are all the cpus desktop versions? If they are both say 3.2 what is the difference then? (sorry, I have a sneaking suspicion that is a nub question) I know the 6 core would be way more powerful but I can't push the extra money at this point. Plus adding the BR burner jacks it up more.
Maverick thanks for the info about the softmod, I will do some digging to see if I feel comfortable with that as an option.

mrmatt
07-01-2010, 02:40 PM
Thanks for the replies! Sager seems to be where I'm headed. I do like the 8760 idea.
As far as the NP9285, are all the cpus desktop versions? If they are both say 3.2 what is the difference then? (sorry, I have a sneaking suspicion that is a nub question) I know the 6 core would be way more powerful but I can't push the extra money at this point. Plus adding the BR burner jacks it up more.
Maverick thanks for the info about the softmod, I will do some digging to see if I feel comfortable with that as an option.
Yes they are all desktop processors. I dont see what you mean by them both being 3.2. They all have different speeds.

Genbu
07-01-2010, 05:51 PM
e.g.

G7: i7-940XM Extreme, 2.13-3.33GHz
8850: i7-920XM Extreme, 2.0-3.2GHz
9285: i7-960 (3.2GHz)

I see the difference between the g7 and 8850, but is there that much of an increase w the 9285? Or is the 3.2GHz the bottom end of that particular cpu? (is the 960 3.2-4.0 or something like that?) Could be even something else I'm missing.

Genbu
07-01-2010, 05:55 PM
Also would the 9285 be easier to upgrade on my own in a few years due to using the desktop versions? Might make a difference, but I guess that depends on what tech comes down the pipes in that time.

fatty400
07-01-2010, 06:18 PM
The higher end numbers you are seenig are when the CPU operates in single core mode. Since most rendering programs are multi-core/multi-threaded, you will see the G7 operate at 2.13 Ghz, 920XM 2 ghz, and the i7-960 at 3.2 ghz. There is about an 80-120% improvement with th desktop CPU. As long as you use the X58 chipset, you can replace the CPU yourself. SInce chipsets change so often (with 32nm coming up etc) its not that much upgradable, but when you are looking to spend that much, you might as well get a mobile desktop
In single core mode, the i7-960 goes at 3.46GHz.