Dell Studio XPS 16 or ??

[gaminggood]

Hey everyone,

I am trying to find the best price as always, but also a quality machine. I have had problems in the past with laptops and am a little nervous to buy from a non-mainstream source especially when it comes to brands I am not familiar with. However I am very interested to hear what anyone has to say.

My needs are similar to the Deployment thread I just read. I Don't like a computer with heating problems at all. Looking for a 15-16 inch screen. If a game comes out in a year or two that might be a little higher end I want to be able to play it. I am also Looking for around a $1500 laptop. Any battery life is a plus, but not a huge concern.

I was about to jump in and buy this Dell XPS 16 when I came across this place. I was wondering how you guys feel the specs/price I found compared to something I might find here. My main problem with the Dell and probably the only real reason I am looking here is because their video card options are middle of the road at best. If I am wrong and you guys think the ATI Radeon HD 5730 -1GB can handle most games on at least medium settings then please do let me know because that is the only real problem I have with this setup.[/URL]

Here is the Dell Studio XPS 16 I was looking at listed for $1370 which I found reasonable. I love their 2 year advanced warranty plan:

Studio XPS 16 Studio XPS 16 Notebook
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit,

Processor Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Quad Core Processor 1.6GHz (2.8GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)

Memory 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz

LCD Panel HD+ Widescreen 15.6 inch WLED LCD (1600x900) W/2.0 MP, XPS 1647

Video Card ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5730 - 1GB

Hard Drive 500GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive 500GB

Network Card Integrated 10/100 Network Card

CD ROM/DVD ROM 8X Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
Sound Soundblaster X-Fi Hi Def Audio - Software Enabled
Wireless Intel© Centrino© Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250
Battery 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Service 2 Year Advanced Service Plan

If there is anything else important that I missed or any questions ask away. I am looking to buy a laptop right away and will be checking back frequently.

Thanks a lot,
Chris
[URL="http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5730.23825.0.html"] (http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5730.23825.0.html)

[Hutsady@XoticPC]

Hi gamingood, thanks for taking the time to post. After reading it and looking the the specs of the Dell you posted I did find a good alternative
http://www.xoticpc.com/images/g51jxX.jpg (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2811%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D1680%7B94%7D1903%7B92%7D2678%7B187%7D1416%7B88 %7D2275%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2725%7B112%7D656%7B98% 7D2789%7B96%7D2723%7B115%7D681%7B199%7D751%7B168%7 D1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D1915%7B120% 7D703%7B110%7D1747%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100 %7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D1539%7B106%7D1691%7B12 1%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7D1492%7B173 %7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D2637%7B198%7D2781%7B1 13%7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D1775%7B196%7D2719) ASUS G51JX-X5 (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2811%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D1680%7B94%7D1903%7B92%7D2678%7B187%7D1416%7B88 %7D2275%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2725%7B112%7D656%7B98% 7D2789%7B96%7D2723%7B115%7D681%7B199%7D751%7B168%7 D1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D1915%7B120% 7D703%7B110%7D1747%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100 %7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D1539%7B106%7D1691%7B12 1%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7D1492%7B173 %7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D2637%7B198%7D2781%7B1 13%7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D1775%7B196%7D2719)

- 15.6" WUXGA FHD "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080)
- ASUS Zero Bright Dot (ZBD) 30 Day Pixel Guarantee
- - Intel® Core™ i7-720QM, 1.60-2.80GHz, (45nm, 6MB L3 cache) - Standard
- nVidia GeForce GTS 360M 1,024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX10
-- 6,144MB (6GB) DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2GBx3)
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software
- - 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in 802.11 Wireless A/B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (6-Cell)
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Pre-Installed + Drivers & Utilities Disk
- 2 Year ASUS GLOBAL Warranty, 24/7 Support, 1 Year Accidental Coverage & 2-Way Pre-Paid Shipping for Repairs (N.A. Accidental Requires Registration w/ ASUS)

I posted what is comperable to the specs you listed. To sum it up the graphics card is a step up and so is the screen resolution. The price for this model as is is 1299.00 and does give the option to upgrade parts if you'd like too

[mrmatt]

Hey Hutsady! Ive heard that that model ha had thermal issues, do you know something we don't? The benchmarks you guys ran on the 51J idled pretty high for some reason. Regardless, a laptop like a 8690 or G73 will give you better heating with a better graphics card. Just so tge OP knows the 360M is actually not as good as the 260M for some reason. Damn Nvidia naming.

[Pesceman3]

Hey Hutsady! Ive heard that that model ha had thermal issues, do you know something we don't? The benchmarks you guys ran on the 51J idled pretty high for some reason. Regardless, a laptop like a 8690 or G73 will give you better heating with a better graphics card. Just so tge OP knows the 360M is actually not as good as the 260M for some reason. Damn Nvidia naming.
I agree, a Sager 8690 seems to fit the bill. The specs of the Asus are excellent for the price, but I'm not certain of its cooling capabilities.

[Slowboto]

If you order from Xotic then you are in good hands. They may not be some mega corporation like Dell but Xotic is a well known and very reputable place that does a excellent job with its work.

[gaminggood]

I have heard the same things about that ASUS concerning heating problems and the video card is not that much better for me to risk it. As far as the G73 I would really prefer a 15-16" laptop so thats out of the picture. The Sager one does look nice. Anyone have a spec setup thats comparable for $1500 max? Also if anyone thinks there is another laptop i should look at, feel free to post :)

Thanks for your input so far.

[Maverick494]

http://www.xoticpc.com/images/3551x.jpg (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2822%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D647%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2510%7B187%7D2744%7B88% 7D1671%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2819%7B112%7D656%7B98%7 D2789%7B96%7D1926%7B115%7D681%7B199%7D751%7B168%7D 1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D707%7B120%7D 703%7B110%7D2771%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100%7 D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D1539%7B106%7D1691%7B195% 7D698%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7D 1492%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D2684%7B113% 7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D2536%7B196%7D2719) FORCE 1656-ID5 (Built on the MSI-1656-ID5) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2822%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D647%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2510%7B187%7D2744%7B88% 7D1671%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2819%7B112%7D656%7B98%7 D2789%7B96%7D1926%7B115%7D681%7B199%7D751%7B168%7D 1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D707%7B120%7D 703%7B110%7D2771%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100%7 D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D1539%7B106%7D1691%7B195% 7D698%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7D 1492%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D2684%7B113% 7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D2536%7B196%7D2719)
- Student Promotions! Ask us about our Cash Discounts or FREE Promotional Items & Accessory Bundles for Students - Up to 50% OFF! - Student Verification Required for Promotion
- 15.4" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-720QM, 1.60-2.80GHz, (45nm, 6MB L3 cache) - Special!
- -Stock OEM Thermal Compound
- ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5850 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- No Video Adapter
- - 6,144MB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory
- Standard Finish
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software (If choosing a 2nd HDD in the Optical Drive Bay no Optical Disk Drive will be included)
- - 320GB (w/ 4GB SSD Memory) Seagate XT 7200RPM NCQ Hybrid 32MB Cache (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- No Additional Hard Drive in ODD Bay (When adding Hard Drive, Optical Drive Is Removed)
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Back Up Software
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- -Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- No Carrying Case
- Smart Li-ion Battery (6-Cell)
- NO Spare Battery
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- No Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- Windows 7 Home Premium - 64-Bit
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 1 Year Complete Care Warranty - 1 Year Parts with 2nd Day Shipping, 24/7 Telephone Tech Support & Lifetime Labor Warranty
- No Xotic PC Gear

-1528.00 (1481.40 cash price)

Better GPU, Same CPU, Same Ram, Better HDD (yea it's slightly smaller but its better), better screen, Better wifi card. still right around 1500.

You could drop to 4GB of Ram and save some money too.

[mrmatt]

Sager NP8690 (Built on Clevo W860CU) Custom Gaming Laptop (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2659%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D2672%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2751%7B187%7D2744%7B88 %7D1852%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2587%7B112%7D656%7B98% 7D1295%7B96%7D2640%7B168%7D1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116 %7D696%7B117%7D705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2770%7B169% 7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107 %7D689%7B106%7D2665%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109% 7D711%7B170%7D1591%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103 %7D2707%7B113%7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D714%7B196 %7D2719)
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- 15.6” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080) Super Clear Glare Type Screen
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-620M, 2.66-3.33GHz, (4MB L3 cache)
- -Stock OEM Thermal Compound
- ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5870 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache) - Default
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Back Up Software
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- 11.1V Smart Li-Polymer battery pack 3800mAh, 42.18Wh
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs
- No Xotic PC Gear

$1525 cashThat is the 8690 specced pretty nicely for your price range.

[gaminggood]

I've come up with 3 options... which introduce questions I have. Sorry it turns out i have a lot.

First of all is it worth the extra $200 or so for the HD5870 over the HD5850? I think thats where the biggest price difference comes from.

Second of all should I be considering a 620m over a 720/740QM or are the quad cores superior?

Also does the diamond thermal compound make a big difference?

Are the 1920x1080 screens going to make a noticeable difference in quality?

I see that option number 2 says pre-order. I am looking for something that delivers and ships quickly as my previous computer is no longer in service and am hoping delivery will take 2-3 weeks. Which of these will come the quickest?

Who has the best customer service? MSI or SAGER. As you can see I was sure to add in each of them at least 2 years parts warranty. I dont know if it matters, but I live in the US.

Which makes the better computer? My last laptop (HP.. never again) broke down very early. I have been looking all around the forums and I see that most people have SAGER laptops. Are SAGERs superior?

If you have the time take at look at the options below. I tried to get similar options for all of them. I'll likely end up upgrading the 4 GB RAM in the future, but for now its fine.


1. $1613
Sager NP8690 (Built on Clevo W860CU) Custom Gaming Laptop (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2659%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D1634%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2668%7B187%7D2742%7B88 %7D1852%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2587%7B112%7D656%7B98% 7D1295%7B96%7D1053%7B168%7D1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116 %7D696%7B117%7D705%7B120%7D703%7B110%7D2770%7B169% 7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100%7D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107 %7D689%7B106%7D2665%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109% 7D711%7B170%7D1591%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103 %7D686%7B113%7D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D2794%7B196 %7D2719)
- Student Promotions! Ask us about our Cash Discounts or FREE Promotional Items & Accessory Bundles for Students - Up to 50% OFF! - Student Verification Required for Promotion
- 15.6” HD+ 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1600x900) Super Clear Glare Type Screen
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-740QM, 1.73-2.93GHz, (45nm, 6MB L3 cache)
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5870 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Back Up Software
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- 11.1V Smart Li-Polymer battery pack 3800mAh, 42.18Wh
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Operating System Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- Sager 2 Year Parts & Labor Warranty w/ Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Customer Support
- No Xotic PC Gear

2. $1687
MSI GX660-053US - Gaming Laptop - PRE ORDER (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2850%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D1476%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2450%7B187%7D2767%7B88 %7D1852%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D1645%7B112%7D656%7B98% 7D1907%7B96%7D2723%7B115%7D681%7B199%7D751%7B168%7 D1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D707%7B120%7 D703%7B110%7D2772%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D708%7B100%7 D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D1539%7B106%7D1688%7B121% 7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7D1492%7B173%7 D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D2637%7B113%7D1413%7B111 %7D1414%7B69%7D2848%7B196%7D2719)
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- 15.6” HD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1366x768) Super Clear Glare Type Screen
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- - Intel® Core™ i7-720QM, 1.6-2.8GHz, (45nm, 6MB L3 cache)
- IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU FREE w/ CPU Upgrade
- ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5870 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- No Video Adapter
- 4GB (2 SODIMM) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory
- Standard Finish
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software-
- - 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) - Default
- No Additional Hard Drive in ODD Bay (When adding Hard Drive, Optical Drive Is Removed)
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Back Up Software
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- -Intel® Advanced-N 6200 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- No Network Accessory
- Integrated Digital Video Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- No Carrying Case
- Smart Li-ion Battery (9-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- No Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Pre-Installed + Drivers & Utilities Disk
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 2 Year MSI US Parts & Labor 1 Year Global Warranty w/ Lifetime Tech Support
- No Xotic PC Gear

3. $1392
FORCE 1656-ID5 (Built on the MSI-1656-ID5) (http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2822%7B161%7D2855%7B7 6%7D647%7B94%7D1074%7B92%7D2510%7B187%7D2742%7B88% 7D1671%7B186%7D1532%7B93%7D2817%7B112%7D656%7B98%7 D2789%7B96%7D2461%7B115%7D681%7B199%7D751%7B168%7D 1453%7B194%7D2594%7B116%7D696%7B117%7D707%7B120%7D 703%7B110%7D2771%7B169%7D1449%7B119%7D1898%7B100%7 D734%7B164%7D1441%7B107%7D1539%7B106%7D1691%7B195% 7D698%7B121%7D694%7B108%7D710%7B109%7D711%7B170%7D 1492%7B173%7D1175%7B167%7D1452%7B103%7D686%7B113%7 D1413%7B111%7D1414%7B69%7D2648%7B196%7D2719)
- Student Promotions! Ask us about our Cash Discounts or FREE Promotional Items & Accessory Bundles for Students - Up to 50% OFF! - Student Verification Required for Promotion
- 15.4" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-720QM, 1.60-2.80GHz, (45nm, 6MB L3 cache) - Special!
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD5850 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- No Video Adapter
- - 4,096MB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory
- Standard Finish
- - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti 8X DVDRW Drive w/ Software (If choosing a 2nd HDD in the Optical Drive Bay no Optical Disk Drive will be included)
- - 320GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- No Additional Hard Drive in ODD Bay (When adding Hard Drive, Optical Drive Is Removed)
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Back Up Software
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- -Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- No Carrying Case
- Smart Li-ion Battery (6-Cell)
- NO Spare Battery
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- No Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Operating System Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Complete Care Warranty - 3 Year Parts with Ground Shipping, 24/7 Telephone Tech Support & Lifetime Labor Warranty
- No Xotic PC Gear


Thank you for taking the time to look through. Any response is appreciated.

-Chris

[gaminggood]

Also does the diamond thermal compound make a big difference?

-Chris

No, sticking with stock



Are the 1920x1080 screens going to make a noticeable difference in quality?

-Chris

I'm going with better resolution..


I've answered some of my own questions already, but please help out on the others.

[mrmatt]

The Sager is the best of the three. It is full HD, has a higher pixel density, which means the screen will look better. The 5850 is a lower clocked 5870, the reason the Sager costs more is because it is a better quality computer. It has far superior cooling to both of those MSIs. Remember the Force and Sager don't come with a operating system. The 620m uses less power and is better for games at the moment, but the 720qm is better for things like rendering or photoshop, because they are optimized for more threads. It is the general consensus that Sager makes a better computer.

[gaminggood]

The Sager is the best of the three. It is full HD, has a higher pixel density, which means the screen will look better. The 5850 is a lower clocked 5870, the reason the Sager costs more is because it is a better quality computer. It has far superior cooling to both of those MSIs. Remember the Force and Sager don't come with a operating system. The 620m uses less power and is better for games at the moment, but the 720qm is better for things like rendering or photoshop, because they are optimized for more threads. It is the general consensus that Sager makes a better computer.

Okay so I'm down to between the Sager and the Dell I initially wrote about. For 300 dollars more I get a much better video card and hopefully better product? Would anyone jump on that 1370$ Dell instead?

[mrmatt]

I would go with the Sager as I am almost vehemently against Dell. I'm probably not the best person to ask :laugh:

[gaminggood]

haha, I know how you feel. I feel the exact same way towards HP.

Hopefully I get a few more opinions though :p

[mrmatt]

Multiple opinions are good! Just dont listen to that fatty guy he's biased! :laugh:

[gaminggood]

I'm totally going to end up spending 1888$ for the 8 gb and 3 year warranty.