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Thread: MSI GT60 vs. Sager NP9150

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    Hi gang, looking to pick up a gaming laptop that can handle pretty much anything I throw at it with ease. How do the GT60 and the NP9150 stack up against each other? They both sound like dream machines. Does one company significantly edge out the other? Would you recommend upgrading/downgrading any of the following layouts? Which one would you go with? Is now a good time to buy? Thanks!!

    Sager NP9150 / Clevo P150EM
    - FREE!! Continental (U.S. Lower 48 - UPS Ground Only) Ground Shipping on ALL Sager Laptops (Enter Coupon Code: "SAGERFREESHIP" during order process)
    - $50 OFF!!! (Yes, My Order is Over $1500 & Excludes: Shipping, Taxes, & Any Non-Sager Upgrades) - Contact Us If You Need Assistance
    - 15.6" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen w/ 95% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080) (SKU - S1R303)
    - NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
    - Standard Dead Pixel Policy
    - Sager - 3rd Generation Intel® Ivy Bridge Core™ i7-3610QM (2.3GHz - 3.3GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache, 45W Max TDP) (SKU – S2R174)
    - - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
    - COPPER COOLING UPGRADE - Extra Cooling Copper Heatsinks Applied to the Heatsink/Heatpipes (XPC Service)
    - nVidia GeForce GTX 680M 4,096MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 with Optimus™ Technology [User Upgradeable] (SKU - S3R406)
    - No Video Adapter
    - No External Mobile Display
    - 16GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (4 SODIMMS) (SKU - S4P761)
    - Sager Branding
    - Standard Finish
    - No mSATA SSD
    - 512gb Crucial M4 Series Solid State Drive (SSD2 Serial-ATA III) (SKU – S5R063)
    - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive w/ Software (When selecting a Hard Drive in the Optical Bay, No Optical Drive is Included)(SKU - S7R455)
    - No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
    - No Back Up Hard Drive
    - NO External USB Optical Drive
    - Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
    - No Back Up Software
    - Bluetooth Included (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
    - Sager - Built-in 802.11 Wireless B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card + Bluetooth™ v3.0 (SKU - S8R110)
    - No Network Accessory
    - Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
    - No TV Tuner
    - Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
    - No Carrying Case
    - Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
    - No Car Adapter
    - No Spare AC Adapter
    - No Dock/Hub/Adapter
    - Integrated Fingerprint Reader
    - No Headset
    - No External Keyboard
    - Steelseries™ Chiclet Backlit Keyboard (adds 4-7 business days)
    - No External Mouse
    - No Notebook Cooler
    - YES - Redline Boost™ Overclock My System (Operating System Required) (XPC Service)
    - Yes, Redline Boost My Operating System (Operating System Required) (XPC Service)
    - ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (64&32-Bit CD Included) + MS Office Starter 2010 -[ Upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $14.99 (Directly through Microsoft) ]
    - No Antivirus Essentials Software Bundle
    - No Office Software
    - No Software Bundle
    - Sager 2 Year Parts & LIFETIME Ltd Labor Warranty w/ Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Customer Support (SKU - S9R206)
    - No thanks, standard double boxed packaging is okay with my order
    - No Outside of US Shipping Coverage
    - No Xotic PC Gear

    MSI GT60 0NE-220US - ETA: July 27
    - FREE!! UPS GROUND SHIPPING (Use Coupon Code "FREESHIP" in Checkout - U.S. Only, Not Available to Alaska and Hawaii)
    - 15.6" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen w/ 95% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080) (SKU - X1R306)
    - NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
    - Standard Dead Pixel Policy
    - 3rd Generation Intel® Ivy Bridge Core™ i7-3610QM (2.3GHz - 3.3GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache, 45W Max TDP) (SKU – X2N300)
    - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU (Cools better than all Compounds) (XPC Service)
    - COPPER COOLING UPGRADE - Extra Cooling Copper Heatsinks Applied to the Heatsink/Heatpipes (XPC Service)
    - nVidia GeForce GTX 680M 4,096MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 w/ Optimus™ Technology (SKU - X3R708)
    - No Video Adapter
    - No External Mobile Display
    - 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (4x4GB SODIMMS) (SKU – X4N206)
    - Standard Finish
    - Standard White Logo Backlight
    - 512GB Crucial C400 Solid State Drive (Up to Sequential Read 415MB/s - Write 260MB/s SSD Serial-ATA III) (SKU - X5R408)
    - 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) (SKU - X5R203)
    - Raid 0 - Performance Default
    - Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive w/ Software (SKU - X7R451)
    - No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
    - No Back Up Hard Drive
    - NO External USB Optical Drive
    - Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
    - No Back Up Software
    - Bluetooth Included (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
    - Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 2230 Wireless Card + Bluetooth 4.0 (Single Band) (SKU – X8R010)
    - No Network Accessory
    - Integrated Digital Video Camera
    - No TV Tuner
    - Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
    - No Carrying Case
    - Smart Li-ion Battery (9-Cell)
    - No Car Adapter
    - No Spare AC Adapter
    - No Dock/Hub/Adapter
    - No Fingerprint Reader
    - No Headset
    - No External Keyboard
    - Stock MSI SteelSeries™ Chiclet Backlit Keyboard
    - No External Mouse
    - No Notebook Cooler
    - YES - Redline Boost™ Overclock My System (Operating System Required) (XPC Service)
    - Yes, Redline Boost My Operating System (Operating System Required) (XPC Service)
    - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Pre-Installed + Drivers & Utilities Disk - [ Upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $14.99 (Directly through Microsoft) ]
    - Keep factory installed operating system
    - Yes, please create backup recovery DVD
    - No Antivirus Essentials Software Bundle
    - No Office Software
    - No Software Bundle
    - 2 Year MSI US Parts & Labor 1 Year Global Warranty w/ Lifetime Tech Support
    + 1 Year Accidental Damage Warranty (Requires Registration within 30 Days from Ship Date) (SKU - M9R301)

    - No thanks, standard double boxed packaging is okay with my order
    - Standard Production Time
    - No Xotic PC Gear

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    Flip a coin.

    Both are great builds. Sager is going to provide you a slightly better build quality over the MSI but the MSI is going to look more flashier while the Sager is going to be more professional looking. Otherwise, you don't have to many differences here other than the dual HDD bays.

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    My vote goes towards the MSI. Both will have good build quality. The MSI will edge out the Sager in features coming with a stock steelseries keyboard, 720p video camera, and Dynaudio speakers. It's the little things that count

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    I had the same choice to make and with with 9150. Well I went with Sager for one main reason, it looks much cleaner, I'm way too old to have a laptop that looks like a spaceship. Sager is nice and clean looking, that's what it came down to for me, well that and the fact that MSI didn't have a 680gtx model out at the time. In the end I think they are very similar, it should go down to what you feel suits you.

    EDIT:
    Just saw you put RAID0 on SSD+HDD...DON'T. There are no benefits of doing that. Use SSD as primary.
    Last edited by guregup; 07-25-2012 at 09:01 AM.

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    Hi, this is OP - my old account was locked out. Guregup, why do you recommend against Raid 0? Also, the SSD is set as the primary hard drive in the layout. Should they be set up as independent drives? When you have Raid set up, do the drives appear consolidated in Explorer/Windows?

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    I'm stuck with the same decision to make, I like that the msi has better speakers, dual hard drives,720p camera and such but.. the sager np9150 has separate cooling for the cpu and gpu I feel like thermals would be much better with the 9150 and as people always say the better thermals the more it will last...

    the build I wanted to for either is GTX680, 120gb ssd main drive, 750gb hdd secondary (9150 would be replacing optical drive thats one downside... sorta) steel series keyboard.

    With the MSI I can get more for my money with about the same price but with a blu-ray player + it already comes with 2 year warranty and 1 year accidental... pretty much the only thing holding me out is I see better build quality on the sager9150

    I'm not in a rush to make a purchase I'm making this purchase in about 1 month-2 months tops but since I'm such an indecisive person I'm starting to gather information from now to not regret my purchase later on.

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    I'd take the GT-60 GTX680M model(ONE-220US) over Sager 9150 because even though you pay a higher price you have dual hard drive bay and can set up SSD+HDD without giving up your optical drive, I like the keyboard and speaker better as well. SSD+HDD Raid0 is horrible, RAID0 with anything other than 2 identical drive is suboptimal and using it between a SSD and a HDD will restrict you to a max capacity of 2X the SSD's(say 240 instead of 120+750), google SSD/HDD Raid to find out. Sager have more fans but MSI's fan is larger and more powerful, still I'd like xoticpc to do a temp comparison between 9150 and GT60.

    p.s what is this "build quality" advantage of 9150?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I'd take the GT-60 GTX680M model(ONE-220US) over Sager 9150 because even though you pay a higher price you have dual hard drive bay and can set up SSD+HDD without giving up your optical drive, I like the keyboard and speaker better as well. SSD+HDD Raid0 is horrible, RAID0 with anything other than 2 identical drive is suboptimal and using it between a SSD and a HDD will restrict you to a max capacity of 2X the SSD's(say 240 instead of 120+750), google SSD/HDD Raid to find out. Sager have more fans but MSI's fan is larger and more powerful, still I'd like xoticpc to do a temp comparison between 9150 and GT60.

    p.s what is this "build quality" advantage of 9150?
    the np9150 has dedicated fan/heatsink for gpu and cpu unlike the gt60 wich uses 1 fan for both. Also I read it gets pretty hot and the heat can sometimes be felt through the keyboard...

    I personally don't care about having raid I will be using the 120gb ssd as a main drive and 750gb as storage only. I dont really mind loosing the optical drive as I very rarely use it I would count it more as a bonus.
    Pretty much the only thing that has me leaning towards the np9150 is the heat dissipation . I live in Puerto Rico and my room is usually around 90F ( damn Island heat lol) so yeah that is my main concern.

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    The dedicated fan is nice, however as I said before(and you blatantly ignored in your response) that fan is more powerful than the Sager fans and still keep the heat at a satisfactory level:
    Me Googling MSI GT60 Heat:
    1st result: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-...k.75615.0.html
    "The GT60 manages its heat control respectably. At idle, the notebook’s temperatures remained at an acceptable level with a maximum of 27°C (81°F). Under load, the wrist rest stayed comfortably cool at 24°C (75°F). "

    2nd result:http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptop/MSI_GT60.aspx
    Pros:
    Outstanding performance and graphics; Full HD display; Good audio; Solid battery life; Remains cool while gaming;

    3rd result: http://www.excaliberpc.com/614996/ms...eelseries.html
    MSI's Cooler Boost Technology provides powerful cooling capabilities by boosting ...the MSI GT60 at a lower overall temperature when the fighting heats up

    4th result: http://notebookforgaming.us/review-n...ok-for-gaming/
    MSI GT60 is still a good coolingsystem. ... The heat can drain out in a satisfactory basis.

    5th result: http://www.newsflaps.com/2012/07/26/...aming-laptops/
    Those who love gaming Laptops will be glad to know that MSI has ...airflow at the touch of a button to stay cool in the heat of the battle.

    Should I go on? Whatever you read might be a individual case, if it is truly a significant problem I should be able to find it easily with google. I do wish xoticpc could do a temp test between MSI and Sager with the same specs to figure out which one cools better. But from what I saw in the MSI GT70 review video posted on xoticpc.com's youtube channel , heat is not a significant issue with the MSI GT60/70 stock, let alone when you get the IC Diamond compound upgrade.

    Edit I looked up the Sager NP9150 and MSI GT60 review video by xoticpc with full thermal imaging:



    Watch these(thermal at 18m mark for MSI GT60 and 22m mark for Sager 9150), the temperatures for GT60 is not significantly different from that of Sager 9150 with exception of the exhaust vent where Sager 9150 CPU vent(1 of the 2 vents) is actually hotter than MSI GT60's single vent.
    Last edited by Sherlock; 08-04-2012 at 07:25 PM.

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    Thanks I kept doing more research and found those same reviews you linked me and I'm definitely leaning towards the GT60 now.. hopefully by the time I order it it won't be on the pre-order status wich would be around end of september.

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